Page 2 of 8

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 29 Sep 2017, 09:28
by Fuzzy14
Virgin still having issues with their 787s, that was VS23 G-VWOW turned around over Glasgow yesterday and back into Heathrow with engine vibration.

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 04 Oct 2017, 13:14
by mk31
G-VBIG has been operating the last few VS5 flights, anyone know if this is related to the 787 maintenance and if so how long it will be for?

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 11 Oct 2017, 14:34
by getinjonathan
Ugh.. I'm told this is actually happening now due to the lack of aircraft available and as soon as this week. Coincidentally, the VS137/8 is cancelled today and tomorrow... aircraft shortage?

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 11 Oct 2017, 16:22
by mitchja
I believe at least 2 of the 789’s are currently out of service at the minute.

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 11 Oct 2017, 16:36
by travelmad51
This is quite worrying. We are due to fly to Miami in Upper in late November, do you think this will all be sorted by then?

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 11 Oct 2017, 17:37
by gumshoe
In a word, no.

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 11 Oct 2017, 18:10
by VSSCC
I’m sure it will be confirmed shortly but DL are taking over one route until the end of October and then another route from the end of October until the end of the year to help with the issues facing the 787s

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 11 Oct 2017, 19:14
by getinjonathan
VSSCC wrote:I’m sure it will be confirmed shortly but DL are taking over one route until the end of October and then another route from the end of October until the end of the year to help with the issues facing the 787s


Possibly explains the cancelled 137/138 x 2 days. I'm guessing it's this flight that DL will run.

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 11 Oct 2017, 19:55
by SlimpyJones
getinjonathan wrote:
VSSCC wrote:I’m sure it will be confirmed shortly but DL are taking over one route until the end of October and then another route from the end of October until the end of the year to help with the issues facing the 787s


Possibly explains the cancelled 137/138 x 2 days. I'm guessing it's this flight that DL will run.


I think you may be right there. Today and yesterday there's an extra DL flight, DL8803/8804 between LHR and JFK, with the same timings as the 137/138. Looks like it's already in effect.

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 11 Oct 2017, 23:06
by getinjonathan
SlimpyJones wrote:
getinjonathan wrote:
VSSCC wrote:I’m sure it will be confirmed shortly but DL are taking over one route until the end of October and then another route from the end of October until the end of the year to help with the issues facing the 787s


Possibly explains the cancelled 137/138 x 2 days. I'm guessing it's this flight that DL will run.


I think you may be right there. Today and yesterday there's an extra DL flight, DL8803/8804 between LHR and JFK, with the same timings as the 137/138. Looks like it's already in effect.


And I've just been told they'll operate the 45/46 and another flight US bound route until the end of the year. Interesting they've chosen two LHR-JFK routes... I guess capacity wise it's a busy period, fall into Xmas and the 767 which has operated the 8803/8804 does seat more passengers.

I do think some advance warnings would be appropriate for passengers, unless they already did to those flying. I'm on the 46 out of JFK next Tuesday and my aircraft has gone from a 787 to a new con 333 to old con 333 to 346. Let's see if I end up on DL..

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 12 Oct 2017, 00:18
by virginboy747
They’re not operating the 45 until November

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 12 Oct 2017, 07:52
by RLF
Looks like there are 3 787's out of service at the moment, YUM and WHO at LHR and AHH at Birmingham

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 12 Oct 2017, 10:37
by mitchja
travelmad51 wrote:This is quite worrying. We are due to fly to Miami in Upper in late November, do you think this will all be sorted by then?


For Miami, so far, the 5/6 flights are still showing at 789's and the 117/118 flights are now showing as A333's (I think that was a 789 as well previously).

I'm on the 5/6 at the end of Dec coming back home early Jan (in Premium both ways) and it's still showing as a 789 A/C in my booking and when booking new flights.

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 12 Oct 2017, 11:03
by oceanscape
mitchja wrote:
travelmad51 wrote:This is quite worrying. We are due to fly to Miami in Upper in late November, do you think this will all be sorted by then?


For Miami, so far, the 5/6 flights are still showing at 789's and the 117/118 flights are now showing as A333's (I think that was a 789 as well previously).

I'm on the 5/6 at the end of Dec coming back home early Jan (in Premium both ways) and it's still showing as a 789 A/C in my booking and when booking new flights.

No, I think the 117/118 has always been A333, certainly not a recent change. I am on VS5 in a few weeks' time and specifically booked VS5 because I didn't want the risk of a UCDS A333.

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 12 Oct 2017, 11:13
by mk31
I know someone who is due to fly on VS5 on 21st Oct and the seat map has now changed from a 787 to an a330 layout.

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 12 Oct 2017, 11:19
by mitchja
TBH, as I'm in Premium I'm not really bothered about the A/C type (I do actually prefer the earlier VS117 arrival time into MIA but V Hols had no availability on the flight anyway when I booked this in January) - just as long as I now don't end up flying on DL metal!!

It's Premium economy pax who are going to be the hardest hit by all of this if they do end up on DL metal on any route as they may end up sitting in Comfort Plus seats with most certainly is not Premium Economy (unless DL use the A/C that do have the new International 'Delta Premium Select' Premium Economy seats installed?)

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 12 Oct 2017, 11:57
by SlimpyJones
mitchja wrote:(unless DL use the A/C that do have the new International 'Delta Premium Select' Premium Economy seats installed?)


Naw, not yet - they only have a handful of A359s and they're starting them on the TPAC routes.

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 12 Oct 2017, 12:19
by oceanscape
mk31 wrote:I know someone who is due to fly on VS5 on 21st Oct and the seat map has now changed from a 787 to an a330 layout.

It looks like VS5 has been all over the place in the last few weeks; sometimes a 787, sometimes a A333 and other times a 744! Not sure if planned or if the 787 maintenance has caused last minute changes.

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 12 Oct 2017, 15:44
by Mr G
My bos-lhr on Sunday has been swapped from a 787 to 330, which I guess affects in the inbound too! Have to say as I'm in economy I'm rather pleased as it means avoiding the 3-3-3 (or is is 3-4-3) configuration.

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 12 Oct 2017, 19:47
by Nikolic
I presume the two 787s that are parked up outside the VS hanger at Heathrow are the offending aircraft. Saw them as I came into land today

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 12 Oct 2017, 21:46
by fusionblue
VS emailed me to tell me i've been moved from a 137 (an A330) LHR-JFK to VS3 A340 instead. I'm in premium so that makes sense.

I've yet to set foot on a 787 (and haven't been on a refurbed 330 yet) but very nearly all of my flights have been on a 340 :D

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 13 Oct 2017, 17:29
by markyl
Now confirmed ...

VSbulletin 019- Changes to our flying programme

We need to let you know that we’ve made a few changes to our flying programme and some of our flights will be operated by our partner Delta Air Lines®.

Information for customers booked on the VS137 and VS138 until 31 October 2017.

VS137
14 October 2017
to the 31 October 2017
Departure 1130

London Heathrow to New York JFK

Now
DL8803 Departure 1130


VS138
14 October 2017 to the31 October 2017
Departure 2001
Arrival 0800

New York JKF to London Heathrow

Now DL8804 Departure 2001

Booking information

Bookings will be updated 48 hours prior to your customers’ departure.

If they are booked to travel in Premium Economy we will look to rebook to other Virgin Atlantic services on the same day in the same cabin.

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 13 Oct 2017, 21:23
by mitchja
Also confirmed that the other 2 flights using DL metal will be the VS 45/46 LHR>JFK and the VS103/104 LHR>ATL between Nov 1st to Dec 31st.

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 13 Oct 2017, 21:42
by SlimpyJones
Surprised that ATL has changed given it's an A346 that serves that route.

Re: Possible VS lease of Delta 767 s during Oct/Nov

PostPosted: 13 Oct 2017, 22:42
by mitchja
Here's the full email from VS Trade:

Further to our earlier VSbulletin 019, we need to let you know of additional changes to our flying programme commencing 28 October, and that some of our flights will be operated by our partner Delta Air Lines®.

Information for customers booked on the VS45 and VS46 LHR JFK and VS103 and VS104 LHR ATL between 1 November and 31 December 2017.

VS Flight number DL codeshare Flight number Dates Route New DL Flight number New VS codeshare Flight number

VS 45 DL 4372 01 November 2017 to 31 December 2017 London Heathrow to New York JFK DL 173 VS 5305

VS 46 DL 4375 01November 2017 to 31 December 2017 New York JKF to London Heathrow DL 172 VS 5405

VS103 DL 4365 01 November 2017 to 31 December 2017 London Heathrow to Atlanta DL 285 VS 4049

VS104 DL 4364 01 November 2017 to 31 December 2017 Atlanta to London Heathrow DL 284 VS 4048

Booking information

Customers’ bookings will be updated with new flight details on 28 October 2017.

Premium Economy

At present a Premium Economy service is not available on the Delta operated flight.

Alterative Options

If the options offered are unsuitable, customers may be offered one of the following alternatives:

Rebook

Customers on the affected flights may rebook to travel on an alternative flight on the same day or an alternative date within the validity of the ticket
Customers can be rebooked via any Virgin Atlantic gateway with Delta Air Lines® connection. The original booking class must be available.
Customers booked to travel to their final destination on a connecting flight can be rebooked to a Virgin Atlantic direct flight. The original booking class must be available.