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#155439 by Juliet
17 Jan 2007, 23:00
Originally posted by RichardMannion

Think you embedded the wrong URL, you meant this one [:p]


I think we're all using a lot of YouTube's bandwidth! [}:)]
#155451 by preiffer
17 Jan 2007, 23:25
Hmm. My Mac works. (that was a full stop there)

My PC does, then it doesn't, then it does, then CTRL-ALT-DEL, then it does for a bit, then it needs an upgrade, then it doesn't, then it kind of does, then it gets a virus, then it crashes as the virus software ruined the OS, then it works, then it doesn't.




My Mac works.
#155462 by Scrooge
17 Jan 2007, 23:47
Hang on Paul, you running win 98?


Ok so since switching to Intel boards Apple has come a long way, but as last year and the year before that, I will put my machine up against any Mac doing anything, see which machine does it quicker, on a larger monitor with a higher screen res, while playing UT 2004 :D

Ok Mac heads, question for you, so I decide to breakdown and get a Mac, how easy is it going to be for me to throw 4 150 gig raptors in two raid 0 set ups into the thing, two video cards running in SLI and a couple of gigs of ram, I am being serious now.

Will Mac OS X have a breakdown over this sort of rig or can it handle it?
#155463 by Pete
17 Jan 2007, 23:50
Handles that sort of thing in its sleep.
#155465 by RichardMannion
17 Jan 2007, 23:52
Originally posted by Scrooge
Hang on Paul, you running win 98?


Ok so since switching to Intel boards Apple has come a long way, but as last year and the year before that, I will put my machine up against any Mac doing anything, see which machine does it quicker, on a larger monitor with a higher screen res, while playing UT 2004 :D

Ok Mac heads, question for you, so I decide to breakdown and get a Mac, how easy is it going to be for me to throw 4 150 gig raptors in two raid 0 set ups into the thing, two video cards running in SLI and a couple of gigs of ram, I am being serious now.

Will Mac OS X have a breakdown over this sort of rig or can it handle it?


Dude, you seriously need to look at a Mac Pro. That is one powerful piece of kit. Now if you are feeling flush, you can really go to town with spec, hell get two 30" Cinema displays.

I'd get one for home, but problem is that I'd need to buy two otherwise LadyS would bludgeon me to death with the Apple Remote. Two of everything is not cheap....

Thanks,
Richard
#155468 by preiffer
17 Jan 2007, 23:52
Dave, Dave, Dave.

a) My Mac doesn't duplicate posts.
b) I don't even KNOW where the "restart" button on my Mac is - never used it.
c) Heard of a Mac Pro? [:p]
#155469 by HighFlyer
17 Jan 2007, 23:56
There is a company (who's name has left me) that specialises in doing Mac RAID machines.

Ok so since switching to Intel boards Apple has come a long way, but as last year and the year before that, I will put my machine up against any Mac doing anything, see which machine does it quicker, on a larger monitor with a higher screen res, while playing UT 2004


Dude ... switch the game to UT2003, get me a Mac Pro, and we'll put a few dollars on it. I used to be in a clan, and a Mac used to be our UT server! Besides which, i have good gaming skills! :)

Thanks,
Sarah
#155470 by Juliet
17 Jan 2007, 23:56
We have raptor drive as a second drive in our G5 (which is 3 years old and is STILL blindingly fast!) and it works a dream!
#155472 by RichardMannion
18 Jan 2007, 00:01
Originally posted by Juliet
STILL blindingly fast!


So you haven't seen the light yet then and moved to Intel architecture? Even Apple gloat about how much faster the new Intel stuff is after all these years of telling us how PowerPC was great. Shame on you! [:p]
#155474 by preiffer
18 Jan 2007, 00:04
And why not, Richard?

Microsoft gloat about how great Vista is after years of telling us how uncrap great XP, 2000, ME, 98, 95 were... [:w]

[:p]
#155475 by Juliet
18 Jan 2007, 00:06
we'd upgrade to the newer architecture if we NEEDED anything faster/better.
#155477 by RichardMannion
18 Jan 2007, 00:09
Look Paul, I'll agree with you but I beg you to remove the reference to ME. I had absolutely nothing to do with that pile of junk. All I can think is that we had some work experience people in to do that release. :D

And as for XP for the Tellytubbie, err I mean Luna interface- never liked that. For starters the word 'start' wasn't even capitalised. Muppets in brand police again. 2000 and NT4 were really good though!

Thanks,
Richard
#155479 by preiffer
18 Jan 2007, 00:13
Originally posted by RichardMannion
2000 and NT4 were really good though!
Yeah, I'll give you that; after 5 years and 6 service packs each, they THEN got stable. [y]
#155487 by mcmbenjamin
18 Jan 2007, 01:26
Originally posted by pixuk
If you want cheap, buy a Dell. But for the same reason I prefer to fly in Premium rather than Economy, cheaper isn't always better.


Apple to Apple? (Ok bad pun) but depending on the current promo Dell is having, Macs normally come slightly cheaper for a Dell with the same features. Also with a Dell you must deal with being nickeled and dimed for every last thing on the machine. Want a letter G on the keyboard - $1.00....
#155491 by Pete
18 Jan 2007, 01:40
Originally posted by mcmbenjamin
Originally posted by pixuk
If you want cheap, buy a Dell. But for the same reason I prefer to fly in Premium rather than Economy, cheaper isn't always better.


Apple to Apple? (Ok bad pun) but depending on the current promo Dell is having, Macs normally come slightly cheaper for a Dell with the same features. Also with a Dell you must deal with being nickeled and dimed for every last thing on the machine. Want a letter G on the keyboard - $1.00....


Interesting. I hadn't checked recently. I guess our perception is that Dell are cheaper is only because their headline systems at cheapo prices are the low-spec'd ones that even your granny would find a bit tame.
#155492 by mcmbenjamin
18 Jan 2007, 01:52
Ok Pete. A Dell XPS M1210 is $1,947 and a MacBook is $1,674. Both with the same specs but the MacBook can run OS X. The $273 can go to the casino in my view.
#155495 by PVGSLF
18 Jan 2007, 02:28
Same as Betamax and VHS

PC's and Microsoft got market share early on. Then the easy availability of copy software from your mates perpetuated that market share.... "Why buy a mac when I don't know anyone else I can copy software from?"

Of course, none of this harmed Bill Gates. He went on to become the richest man in the world, despite all the pirated software that used to be around.
And now we are all hooked in to the concept, more willing to pay for software and all connected to the internet it is more difficult to copy software.
#155508 by catsilversword
18 Jan 2007, 06:45
Oh blast, I didn't even realise Mac could run PC software - what about their operating system though, I guess they don't use XP/2000/98 etc? Have had this discussion a lot quite recently, as yeah, the Macs do look nice, but our stuff is all PC, so I thought it would be starting from scratch - now it seems I'm wrong (yet again!) Only time I've used a Mac is at an airport, and it was fine.

As far as looks/cost go - well, my current equipment is Dell (desktop) and Compaq (lappy)- am happy with both, though admit a Mac does look sexier - but then again, I don't take a laptop with me on travels, too much of a pain in the butt, and not intersted in posing anyway.

Damn, damn, damn - all that said, when i bought my lappy a few months back, I would probably have plumped for a Mac, had I known all this about compatibility......... [:(!]
#155514 by slinky09
18 Jan 2007, 07:55
My desk has - one Dell laptop, one Mac Mini, one Mac G4 Cube and underneath my desk is the Toshiba laptop I used before the Dell. The Cube has been running steadily, with no problems (software or hardware) for eight years - I play games on it, do some graphics work and Web stuff, keep personal files and the like on it. The Toshiba was the most frustrating peace of PC hardware and software I ever had, repeatedly had software crashes, failures, viral attacks, the Windows security updates were a nightmare with XP Tablet software etc, it used to be out of action for days at a time. And it was damned ugly.

As someone said, when the Dell goes kaput it goes in the bin, I don't have the lifespan to deal with PC manufacturers whereas Apple have always been dreamy when dealing with them.

If I could switch totally, I would.
#155552 by HighFlyer
18 Jan 2007, 11:55
Originally posted by slinky09
If I could switch totally, I would.


With Boot Camp and Parallels Desktop for Mac, i cant see an single reason not to! I dont have a PC at work any more, we still have tons of them about and i have one as a server but i dont actually have a PC for my own now, and i dont actually need one. If i need Windows for anything i just boot up Parallels and have it running in the dock.

I'm sorry, but i just cant see why anyone would buy a Dell nowadays. Macs are not that more expensive, they look better, they perform better, and they also come with a hell of a lot of good software pre-installed.

Thanks,
Sarah
#155554 by Pete
18 Jan 2007, 12:03
Originally posted by catsilversword
Oh blast, I didn't even realise Mac could run PC software - what about their operating system though, I guess they don't use XP/2000/98 etc? Have had this discussion a lot quite recently, as yeah, the Macs do look nice, but our stuff is all PC, so I thought it would be starting from scratch - now it seems I'm wrong (yet again!) Only time I've used a Mac is at an airport, and it was fine.

As far as looks/cost go - well, my current equipment is Dell (desktop) and Compaq (lappy)- am happy with both, though admit a Mac does look sexier - but then again, I don't take a laptop with me on travels, too much of a pain in the butt, and not intersted in posing anyway.

Damn, damn, damn - all that said, when i bought my lappy a few months back, I would probably have plumped for a Mac, had I known all this about compatibility......... [:(!]


The announcement you may have missed was that last year Apple switched from using the PowerPC processor to the Intel processor in their machines, and whilst the operating system shipped with a Mac is still OS X, the switch in processor meant you can now install Windows XP on a Mac as though it were any other PC (the only addition is a piece of free software from Apple called Boot Camp, which lets you boot your machine into either OS X or Windows XP).

Best of both worlds in one box.

Edit to add: As HF says, Parallels Desktop is also a piece of software that lets you run Windows within OS X, so you don't even need to reboot to run your Windows applications.
#155556 by HighFlyer
18 Jan 2007, 12:17
Originally posted by pixuk

Edit to add: As HF says, Parallels Desktop is also a piece of software that lets you run Windows within OS X, so you don't even need to reboot to run your Windows applications.


And a shameless plug to say that its actually my company's product, so if anyone wants copies or liscencing, just get in touch :)

Thanks,
Sarah
#155561 by slinky09
18 Jan 2007, 12:29
Originally posted by HighFlyer
Originally posted by pixuk

Edit to add: As HF says, Parallels Desktop is also a piece of software that lets you run Windows within OS X, so you don't even need to reboot to run your Windows applications.


And a shameless plug to say that its actually my company's product, so if anyone wants copies or liscencing, just get in touch :)

Thanks,
Sarah


OK - dimwit question that in previous years as an IT person I might have know - with Parallels can I run Outlook, ActiveX and AJAX programmed Explorer applications ... and the like? My firm has many internal systems only available via Explorer and these are vital, and without Outlook (Exchange) I simply could not function and might shrivel up and expire!
#155562 by Pete
18 Jan 2007, 12:31
Originally posted by HighFlyer



And a shameless plug to say that its actually my company's product, so if anyone wants copies or liscencing, just get in touch :)

Thanks,
Sarah


Damn, I never knew that... (Says he looking at the copy of Parallels Desktop he just bought from Amazon on Monday!)
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