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Which laptop?

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2006, 13:39
by VS075
I will be getting a laptop for Christmas but I want to pick all of your brains and whether anyone knows of any good laptops to go for and which ones to avoid (I have an idea on what I might be given).

My needs are: -

Mid-end spec (Vista ready a big advantage) £800 MAX Good battery life Windows laptop (no real need for a Mac) DVD playback/re-writer WiFi/Network capability and expansion

Thanks in advance [y]

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2006, 13:45
by mitchja
The Dell Inspiron 6400 range looks pretty good. Been looking at that range myself (although you would need to go for the upgraded graphics card on that base 6400 model to get the full glass 3D effects with Vista if and when you choose to upgrade to Vista, pretty sure you wont get these effects with any shared memory graphics cards - as least I think you wouldn't, although Richard would know for sure)

Regards

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2006, 14:07
by RichardMannion
Originally posted by mitchja
The Dell Inspiron 6400 range looks pretty good. Been looking at that range myself (although you would need to go for the upgraded graphics card on that base 6400 model to get the full glass 3D effects with Vista if and when you choose to upgrade to Vista, pretty sure you wont get these effects with any shared memory graphics cards - as least I think you wouldn't, although Richard would know for sure)

Regards


For Vista, I'd personally recommend a graphics card with its own dedicated Video RAM, none of this shared system RAM Intel nonense. Some of the Intel Chipsets work but their performance lags behind the NVidia/ATI offerings. To get the full Aero Glass effect in Vista, you need at least 64MB of RAM (128Mb recommended) and a supported GPU.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/g ... pable.mspx

Dell make some good laptops, worth keeping an eye out at the outler http://www.dell.co.uk/outlet for some good deals, or this page which has some really good deals on Dell hardware on a regular basis.

Thanks,
Richard

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2006, 14:58
by Decker
Don't get a Sony
Don't get a Sony
Don't get a Sony
Don't get a Sony
Don't get a Sony
Don't get a Sony
Don't get a Sony
Don't get a Sony
Don't get a Sony
Don't get a Sony

and I'd strongly recommend not getting a Sony.

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2006, 16:54
by McCoy
I seem to remember that Decker isn't a huge fan of Sony.. could be wrong though...

Personally I adore my Vaio TX.. but it doesn't fit your budget criterion, so go for a Dell!

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2006, 17:14
by Decker
The kit is fantastic. The on site extended warranty support sucks. It took me > a month to get a hinge replaced and that was only after I'd threatened to go legal and started the ball rolling. So much for next day on site support. Then over a week (so far) to get a faulty CD/DVD replaced. My colleague and I have identical Vaio VGN-BX197XPs and they are both developing the same faults at the same time! Funnily they came in and replaced my colleagues whilst ignoring mine... different work order. I'll happily post the month of support exchanges before they finally fixed it - my favourite was "OK if it isn't covered by this exclusion in the warranty (which it wasn't) then I'm saying it's an Act of God" "An ACT OF GOD!!! - Will you put that in the online record?" Don't think they did...

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2006, 17:20
by mitchja
Arn't Vaio's also more difficult to hack the DVD drive to make it region free (not that anyone does or should do that sort of thing [:w])

Regards

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2006, 17:20
by baldbrit
Originally posted by VS075
I will be getting a laptop for Christmas but I want to pick all of your brains and whether anyone knows of any good laptops to go for and which ones to avoid (I have an idea on what I might be given).



I have bought Dell for a few years now and wouldn't change. Last year I purchased an Inspiron 9300 which would certainly cover your needs. What some people do not like about this model is it's size, as it has a wide screen. This makes it more of a "luggable" than portable machine if you are travelling with it, but sites such as the new look V-Flyer look great on a widescreen! Kudos to the website creators BTW. It is much cleaner and easy to navigate. I love it!

I'm still debating about whether to travel with my laptop next month. I was determined to not work on this trip, but I may be talking myself out of it. Does anyone know if the in-seat laptop power is for US machines too, or can it only power UK machines?

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2006, 18:54
by preiffer
Inseat power works by providing a DC voltage (through an adapter) that is correct for the laptop. Therefore it's UK/US AC voltage independent.

(Yes, it'll work for a US/UK laptop, regardless). In fact, most laptop PSU's cater for 100-240v switching anyway - and have done for decades.

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2006, 20:23
by vs_itsallgood
Laptop gift... hopefully the gifter is a traveler. Politely remind the potential gifter of your not-so-common needs as a giftee. Most computer-store clerks are not frequent travelers, and have no idea what's needed - they're looking at commissions from the sale.

If you have it narrowed down to two or three models, ask friends and family if they have one, or find a big-box retailer with it. Weigh the dang thing!!! Don't believe what's on the box or the manufacturer's website, I've never seen a model weigh what the box states. Maybe naked, but there's always something you need to pack with it, even if it's a power supply and an Empower.

Figure out what you REALLY need to have, because each add-on weighs up. Most of the add-ons also cut down on your battery life. Try to limit your USB-powered add-ons, as they cut batteries pretty quickly.

Widescreens ARE gorgeous, but... widescreens also eat power. For every inch of that gorgeous widescreen, you may pay in pain, because most of the widescreens weigh a ton. Heft the borrowed one around for at least 20 minutes, hanging off your shoulder, in your typical carry-on bag, with all the peripherals you would want onboard. Plus your meds and whatever else you need with you. Too much weight? Back complaining? Shoulder bent to the floor? Something has to get pitched or put in the hold baggage. You could always say 'Isn't that gorgeous, but I think it's a bit heavy' if they're drooling over it with no consideration for your poor body.

Given a choice between memory or screen size, I'd go for the memory, or a larger battery capacity, or a 2nd battery to swap out before I'd go for the bigger screen. You may have to scroll about, but your back won't be killing you from hefting that gorgeous heavy screen! Widescreens seem to be all the rage. Just say NO!

That should narrow choices down still further, or make the nearest US chiropractor happy upon landing...;)

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2006, 20:48
by RichardMannion
Vs_itsallgood makes a really good point about physical aspects. I have a few high-end widescreen laptops that are really fast and powerful, but when I am travelling it kills having to lug one of them about. i'm just in the process of ordering a new slimline laptop, yes it might not the most powerful machine but in reality I'm not playing games, I just need to check-mail and use the internet. Sarah's MacBook is a lovely size and weight I must say. The Vaio's are lovely machines too and a good size too but I can Decker's point. Personally I'd stay well clear of Toshiba machines.

Thanks,
Richard

PostPosted: 17 Oct 2006, 13:21
by Howard Long
Originally posted by RichardMannion
Vs_itsallgood makes a really good point about physical aspects. I have a few high-end widescreen laptops that are really fast and powerful, but when I am travelling it kills having to lug one of them about. i'm just in the process of ordering a new slimline laptop, yes it might not the most powerful machine but in reality I'm not playing games, I just need to check-mail and use the internet. Sarah's MacBook is a lovely size and weight I must say. The Vaio's are lovely machines too and a good size too but I can Decker's point. Personally I'd stay well clear of Toshiba machines.


Well I agree regarding the physical size: I have witnessed three ladies at a place I do work at trying to take the company 'laptop' home. It's a joke. They're so heavy, one lugs it about on a wheeled case.

I do 98% of my work on my laptop. Sorry, mine's a Tosh! I used a Tosh Portege 4000 700MHz laptop for an almost unbelievable 4.5 years until February this year when I moved to a 2nd hand 1.2GHz Portege M100 in exaclty the same form factor. Both are fully loaded with 2Gb RAM, 120Gb HD's, Bluetooth and WiFi. It is compatible with all the batteries, integral removeable bay DVD/CD drives, power supplies and port replicators from my old Portege. It is a relatively small 12" display and weighs relatively little, and the power supply is similarly very small and light. Even better, I can get about seven hours out of the batteries in normal use if I slip in the extra battery in place of the DVD writer.

The same things failed with this new Portege as failed with my old Portege: the screen latch, the nipple mouse, and the screws falls out. But then it does get severe road use.

The only two things I'd like to change would be to get better screen resolution and very, very occasionally more CPU. But the small form factor and long battery life generally dictate against this. I have yet to find a new, comparable device for my needs. The Sony Vaios are about as close as it gets. What's up with them? Seems like I might have missed something!

Cheers, Howard

PostPosted: 29 Oct 2006, 21:59
by VS045
The Dell Inspiron 6400 range looks pretty good. Been looking at that range myself (although you would need to go for the upgraded graphics card on that base 6400 model to get the full glass 3D effects with Vista if and when you choose to upgrade to Vista, pretty sure you wont get these effects with any shared memory graphics cards - as least I think you wouldn't, although Richard would know for sure)


Sorry I'm a bit late, but I'm typing on one of these now and would really recommend them for the price[^]

VS.

PostPosted: 30 Oct 2006, 15:34
by mysteryflyer
Can I just echo dont get a sony. Three months they held mine hostage supposedly repairing it and they accused a mate of sending a deliberately damaged one and sent him pics to prove it which were of a different model altogether.

My Toshiba Libretto just expired with a fizz due to a glass of wine spill, which is a shame as I loved it for VS flights as I could watch a DVD in Economy on the small screen.

Ive ordered a MacBook Pro with extra sparkly Intel Core 2 Duo as a replacemend. Woo Hoo...

PostPosted: 30 Oct 2006, 17:08
by VS075
Thanks guys for all your advice [y]

I have looked at the Inspiron 6400 as mitchja highly recommended and have decided that this suits my needs very well. Therefore I have recommended this to the gifter who is a frequent traveller and will see what they can do.

The plan is to take it with me when I go to Spain and Paris (as in my signature) and want to use it to do work and surf the Net on it as well as watch DVDs.

Thanks again [y]

PostPosted: 31 Oct 2006, 14:14
by Bazz
Well I have just bitten the bullet and ordered a Dell Inspiron 6400.

Went for a high spec so will be Vista ready with a free u/g from XP Pro.

Brief spec:

Core Duo 2 2.0GHz 4MB L2 Cache
2GB DDR2 SDRAM
120GB SATA HDD
15.4" UltraSharp TrueLife screen
ATI Radeon 256MB
9 cell 80Whr Lith ion battery upgrade
Sound Blaster full version
Bluetooth
MS Office Pro

Plus all other standard spec items

Having compared across the piece the package price is very competetive so am now looking forward to getting it - hate the up to 10 days wait [n]

Price incl carry case and del works out at £1576 incl VAT.

PostPosted: 31 Oct 2006, 14:23
by mitchja
Barry

I know when I ordered a Dell PC for my Dad, it said it would take 10 days for delivery, but it actually took less than 7 (around 3 I seem to remember). You can track your order online and see exactly what stage it's upto as well.

Regards

PostPosted: 31 Oct 2006, 14:35
by Bazz
Thanks James, I will keep my fingers crossed. Oh, forgot to add to the spec that I also ordered a Belkin ADSL wireless router in the bundle, not sure how good they are but it was not expensive so what the hell?

PostPosted: 31 Oct 2006, 15:10
by Neil
Originally posted by Bazz
Thanks James, I will keep my fingers crossed. Oh, forgot to add to the spec that I also ordered a Belkin ADSL wireless router in the bundle, not sure how good they are but it was not expensive so what the hell?


I have a Belkin wireless modem router at home and it works fine, was recommended to me by our IT guys so guess they are quite good and I've had no problems with it.

Neil:)