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#961849 by mattyp
02 Sep 2021, 11:02
A very interesting concept but blimey it looks small in comparison to the loft.

I loved the open, spacious and social feel around the bar on the 787 where there were usually plenty of perches available all flight.
This seems more of a ‘cosy snug’, but will be very popular, particularly for couples who want to dine together. It’ll be interesting to see how usage of this is managed and whether it’ll be pre-bookable.
#961850 by flyingfox
02 Sep 2021, 11:10
mattyp wrote:A very interesting concept but blimey it looks small in comparison to the loft.

I loved the open, spacious and social feel around the bar on the 787 where there were usually plenty of perches available all flight.
This seems more of a ‘cosy snug’, but will be very popular, particularly for couples who want to dine together. It’ll be interesting to see how usage of this is managed and whether it’ll be pre-bookable.


My thoughts exactly, I can see the booking of the snug will become a “travel tip” a bit like booking treatments in the clubhouse as soon as you arrive, as soon as you board grab the CSM and secure a time slot.
#961853 by 747G-VXLG
02 Sep 2021, 11:58
New order to MSN numbers
#8 G-VEVE msn 492 - flying icon same as TEA
#9 G-VLIB msn 507 - flying icon same as DOT
#10 G-VBOB msn 513 - flying icon same as RNB
#11 G-VNVR msn 521 - flying icon same as JAM/POP/LUX
#12 G-VELJ msn 547 - flying icon same as PRD


G-VWHY will probably be used if they get a 13th A350 or on an A339.
#961855 by VS075
02 Sep 2021, 13:18
David wrote:https://www.headforpoints.com/2021/09/02/virgin-atlantic-the-booth-a350/

16 seats in Upper is probably under selling it a little

Bring back the bar !

David


That explains how the aircraft are going to be laid out.

To be honest, I can see arguments for more Upper seats as well as less. Capping it at 16 allows for a decent-sized PE cabin that usually sells well on the leisure routes and the emphasis on the routes they will be operating is capacity, hence the number of Y seats proposed and why the A350-1000 was chosen. On the other hand, more Upper seats would probably bring in more revenue, though clearly VS thinks hat won't always be possible to fill.
#961859 by David
02 Sep 2021, 14:56
According to Gilbert on God Save The Points "The first Virgin Atlantic leisure A350-1000 XWB flights featuring “The Booth” are expected to take off from London Heathrow to Orlando in December, "

Good news if the new planes are expected from then.

The more I read, the less I'm convinced by the concept. An open space for only 2 people is not, in my opinion, a great selling point.

Gilberts full report here https://www.godsavethepoints.com/virgin ... ure-booth/

David
#961863 by Miked1e
02 Sep 2021, 18:42
Great to hear more information about the leisure config..... however, by the sounds of it these won't be on MAN-MCO until earliest June 2023? Is this correct?

If so, will the A332 be replaced with the A333 on this route early 2022?

Thinking I would prefer the UC config on the A332 more than the A333.
#961870 by 747G-VXLG
02 Sep 2021, 19:20
Miked1e wrote:Great to hear more information about the leisure config..... however, by the sounds of it these won't be on MAN-MCO until earliest June 2023? Is this correct?

If so, will the A332 be replaced with the A333 on this route early 2022?

Thinking I would prefer the UC config on the A332 more than the A333.


I think MAN-MCO will get them before any BGI flights. My guess is summer 2022 for MAN-MCO and winter 2022 for BGI.
#961871 by Miked1e
02 Sep 2021, 19:27
747G-VXLG wrote:
Miked1e wrote:Great to hear more information about the leisure config..... however, by the sounds of it these won't be on MAN-MCO until earliest June 2023? Is this correct?

If so, will the A332 be replaced with the A333 on this route early 2022?

Thinking I would prefer the UC config on the A332 more than the A333.


I think MAN-MCO will get them before any BGI flights. My guess is summer 2022 for MAN-MCO and winter 2022 for BGI.


But if they only have 2 planes in of this config by Spring/Summer 2022 would this not mean just 1 on each destination? With suggestion that the remainder come in 2023?

We are flying mid May 2022 from MAN-MCO. Best guess at this point what would the plane be?

Thanks :)
#961872 by mitchja
02 Sep 2021, 19:33
BGI always tends to be more premium cabin heavy route so VS may well carry on using other A/C on that route.

VS can easily fill the Upper Class cabin from both LHR and even MAN to BGI using the existing A333 or B789’s. Especially now the way things are going as demand for Caribbean routes is rocketing by all accounts.
#961873 by Miked1e
02 Sep 2021, 19:56
Having just read the post again by VS, it says leisure routes including Barbados later in 2022. So doesn't rule out MAN-MCO not happening until

Do we think it is feasible to have 1 A350 leisure on both LHR-MCO and MAN-MCO routes after they have taken on the 2 new A350s from April 22? With the A333/787 covering the rest of the flights on these routes?

Just crazy thinking that they would continue to run the MAN-MCO route with approx 260 seats when they have always flown 747 455 seats and the potential to bring in the new leisure config with approx 400 seats.

Unless they are not expecting passenger numbers to get anywhere near pre-covid levels til 2023 onwards on this route.
#961875 by mattyp
02 Sep 2021, 20:17
David wrote:According to Gilbert on God Save The Points "The first Virgin Atlantic leisure A350-1000 XWB flights featuring “The Booth” are expected to take off from London Heathrow to Orlando in December, "

Good news if the new planes are expected from then.

The more I read, the less I'm convinced by the concept. An open space for only 2 people is not, in my opinion, a great selling point.

Gilberts full report here https://www.godsavethepoints.com/virgin ... ure-booth/

David


Agreed that it being marketed as an open space is not great, however as a snug I do think that it will be a decent selling point for couples / honeymooners.

If all 16 UC seats are filled, then there will be a maximum of 8 couples to use this space during a flight. Not all will want to, but if they did then that’s still around an hour of usage each on a 7-9hr flight to MCO / Caribbean destinations.
Some will book it to eat, some for drinks, and some for afternoon tea - it’s just a case of organisation.

An hour seated there is probably enough IMO.
#961876 by mitchja
02 Sep 2021, 20:21
IMHO it’s not much different from the old J cabin on the 744’s though is it with 14 seats sharing the 2 bar stools?

I never liked using the bar on those 744’s are you felt on display the whole time. At least this gives you a little more privacy.
#961880 by FLYERZ
02 Sep 2021, 22:02
Interesting concept. I think it's also easy to poo poo it as being unpractical which may have some truth but equally I think its very Virgin - at least trying to innovate or create intrigue. Have BA for example ever tried to introduce anything quirky?
#961884 by steveb
03 Sep 2021, 10:52
Do we know which Orlando flights will be using the A350 in December yet?

Flying back on the 23rd on the later flight currently shown as A333 but hoping now for the A350.

I assume they aren’t loaded into the booking engine yet?
#961895 by flyingfox
04 Sep 2021, 17:33
DIAZLUXO wrote:https://www.virginatlantic.com/flight-search/search-results?cacheKeySuffix=9f3ebe92-1f2f-4503-8991-6062b461dcc4
What I've done here is loaded LHR-MCO flights on the 1st of January 2022 where the seat map for the new A350 is available to see on VS91. It looks like people have already been booked on the new plane too.


Well spotted DIAZLUXO , so the booth is located where the lavatory and coat cupboard is located in front of 1A, I tried to upload a screenshot but it’s not letting me.
#961899 by mitchja
04 Sep 2021, 17:45
Well spotted DIAZLUXO ;-)

You can also access the new seat map as well. The Upper Class and Premium cabins are indeed between doors 1 and 2 as previously predicted.

(I've tried to screenshot it best I could)

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