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TBS to be trialled in the UK

PostPosted: 26 Jan 2011, 14:06
by Bill S
Trust Based Security is about to be trialled at Stansted

A better description of the system is seen here

It seems likely that any intelligent profiling, even artificial intelligence, will be an improvement on the current offering.
The concept of separating "trusted" regular fliers from one way travellers with no luggage so providing a profiled tailored security screening can improve security AND decrease the hassle for frequent fliers.

Would you be willing to pay a small amount for such a service?
Is it something VS should be offering?

Re: TBS to be trialled in the UK

PostPosted: 26 Jan 2011, 14:18
by mitchja
I only briefly read this but isn't this just another word for identity cards though?

As I already have to pay for my passport and my driving licence I don't see why I should have a pay to carry another card with me when I travel.

Re: TBS to be trialled in the UK

PostPosted: 26 Jan 2011, 14:24
by Tinkerbelle
I got bored reading that article. It just sounds like another form of passenger profiling.

Re: TBS to be trialled in the UK

PostPosted: 26 Jan 2011, 14:34
by Bill S
It is a form of profiling - initial system is artificial intelligence.
It also is identity based but no separate "card", existing passport would be enough to prove identity - just like status card & frequent flier membership. ;)
Could even be linked into FC if VS adopted such a system.

It would mean the equivalent to fast-track security for those evaluated then recorded as lower risk.
Slow track for high risk first time travellers.

Crew, Slinky and co. would simply have a walk through once ID'ed through their passports.
Some one travelling on their own, with no baggage and for their first LH flight on a one-way ticket might find it took rather longer....Is that not a good thing?

Re: TBS to be trialled in the UK

PostPosted: 26 Jan 2011, 15:45
by tontybear
Bill S wrote:Some one travelling on their own, with no baggage and for their first LH flight on a one-way ticket might find it took rather longer....Is that not a good thing?


But all Evil Doer Chappy would have to do (and I'm not giving any security secrets away here) is buy a return ticket, book a hotel and fill a suitcase with clothes hence appear more like a 'normal' traveller and thus get a lesser screen. Am not aware of evil doers having budget constraints.

And even the most trusted person can be 'turned'. Afterall the Cambridge spies were all 'good chaps' and 'one of us' went to the right university and knew how to hold a knife and fork the right way and how to pass the port.

I'm really not in favour of giving certain people 'special' (i.e. less security screening) status when it comes to security screening

Re: TBS to be trialled in the UK

PostPosted: 26 Jan 2011, 15:48
by Tinkerbelle
tontybear wrote:
Bill S wrote:Some one travelling on their own, with no baggage and for their first LH flight on a one-way ticket might find it took rather longer....Is that not a good thing?


But all Evil Doer Chappy would have to do (and I'm not giving any security secrets away here) is buy a return ticket, book a hotel and fill a suitcase with clothes hence appear more like a 'normal' traveller and thus get a lesser screen. Am not aware of evil doers having budget constraints.

And even the most trusted person can be 'turned'. Afterall the Cambridge spies were all 'good chaps' and 'one of us' went to the right university and knew how to hold a knife and fork the right way and how to pass the port.

I'm really not in favour of giving certain people 'special' (i.e. less security screening) status when it comes to security screening


Couldn't agree more Tonty.

Re: TBS to be trialled in the UK

PostPosted: 26 Jan 2011, 16:09
by Bill S
Surely that works two ways - are you really not in favour of giving extra attention to those judged (or profiled) "high risk"? Particularly if backed by intelligent assessment? Why do we need to assess a regular traveller every time they fly? Surely it makes much more sense to only do it a few times - allowing greater time for that assessment by not wasting time on multiples?

Re: TBS to be trialled in the UK

PostPosted: 26 Jan 2011, 16:26
by RedVee
When I saw that TBS was on trial I wondered what he'd been up to. And then I realised we weren't talking about The Banking Scot =p

Regards
R3dV

Re: TBS to be trialled in the UK

PostPosted: 26 Jan 2011, 16:40
by tontybear
Thats not what I said.

I said I was not in favour of giving certain people a lesser degree of security screening simply because they are regular travellers.

Everyone should get the same 'standard' process with those assessed as higher risk getting some sort of enhanced process.