V-Flyer

For those of you that hate the 1-week "crossover" of DST difference between the UK and US, here's another blow. (that 9-hour time difference between Pacific & London time's about to be extended from 2007... [:0])

From several news sources across the web (actually read it in the LA Times last week, but the news has spread).

"Last week, U.S. congressional negotiators approved a plan to extend daylight-saving time by four weeks in the year to save energy -- starting three weeks earlier, on the second Sunday in March, and ending one week later, on the first Sunday in November."


Apparently, it's going to save Billions in energy bills, but the airlines aren't happy... Link CNN.com here

{Actually, having said 9 hours, is it? Or is it 7 hours after this change? Head hurts trying to work it out...}

8 hrs...it's still got to be approved by the senate and congress then signed into law,then passed by each state...man my head hurts now

Originally posted by jetwet1
8 hrs...

Can't be - it's got to be either 7 or 9, as the US will be in DST while the UK has reverted to GMT. I need a piece of paper and some crayons to help me. [:(!] Someone work it out for us? Will save me having to get up... [B)]

They've always changed to DT a week later than our change to BST, but the change back to ST has always been in sync with our change back to GMT.

Hmmm, in the middle of March, there'll be a 7hr difference before we go to BST at the end of the month (when it'll be back to 8hrs).

Then there'll be a 9hr difference between us going back to GMT at the end of October, and them going back to PST the 1st Sunday in November. That's not too bad I guess - a longer period where they're closer to our timezone Although it's right when my US conference attendance is due!

Will be interesting to see how many don't get the calculations correct on their timeservers

Cheers

Michael

Wait, wahh, isn't this just as simple as, we change our clocks at a different date than usual, how does that save money...[?]

Originally posted by VS-EWR
Wait, wahh, isn't this just as simple as, we change our clocks at a different date than usual, how does that save money...[?]

Quote from this article:

"Because people tend to waste several hours of natural light each day. Most of us wake up well after the sun rises and go to sleep long after it sets. If we spent more waking hours when the sun is out, we wouldn't need to use as much electricity to illuminate our surroundings."

mike has it right [y]

Originally posted by mcuth
They've always changed to DT a week later than our change to BST, but the change back to ST has always been in sync with our change back to GMT.

Hmmm, in the middle of March, there'll be a 7hr difference before we go to BST at the end of the month (when it'll be back to 8hrs).

Then there'll be a 9hr difference between us going back to GMT at the end of October, and them going back to PST the 1st Sunday in November. That's not too bad I guess - a longer period where they're closer to our timezone Although it's right when my US conference attendance is due!

Will be interesting to see how many don't get the calculations correct on their timeservers

Cheers

Michael

I may be wrong - and please correct me if I am - but I believe you must have this the wrong way round.

In October when UK goes BACK to GMT the difference will only be 7 hrs.

I've tried to limit my brain exposure on this:

Time Switch: (Assuming Pacific Time)

Normal time - Winter (Feb) UK=9pm, US=1pm (8 hours)
US switch, UK stay (March) UK=9pm, US=2pm (7 hours)
UK switch, US stay (April) UK=10pm, US-2pm (8 hours)
UK switch, US stay (Oct) UK=9pm, US=2pm (7 hours)
US switch, UK stay (Nov) UK=9pm, US=1pm (8 hours)

I THINK... [B)]

?!?! *Bang* .... [xx(]

Watch, next, the US government will try to experiment with the Earth's revolution and rotation so that nights in the US only last for 2 minutes.

The funny part is:

(I steal Paul's blue font idea!) "Later sunsets tend to get people out of the house more in the evenings, which could lead to an increase in driving (and gasoline use)"

Again, my government does not realize that, WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF OIL!

No probs with the blue theft, Nick

Actually, the Canadians appear to be up in arms about it. Evidently, if they don't follow suit, they're worried that they'll lose out business-wise. If they DO follow the US, then it's another case of Canada being an extension to whatever D.C. Decide.... [:0]

Originally posted by p17blo
I may be wrong - and please correct me if I am - but I believe you must have this the wrong way round.

Well, not entirely the wrong way round - the first bit was right

Originally posted by preiffer
Normal time - Winter (Feb) UK=9pm, US=1pm (8 hours)
US switch, UK stay (March) UK=9pm, US=2pm (7 hours)
UK switch, US stay (April) UK=10pm, US-2pm (8 hours)
UK switch, US stay (Oct) UK=9pm, US=2pm (7 hours)
US switch, UK stay (Nov) UK=9pm, US=1pm (8 hours)

Aye, that'll be right - well done Paul

Cheers

Michael

Originally posted by mcuth
Aye, that'll be right - well done Paul

Crikey - that was after quite a lot of wine!

Still, working out conference calls as a result of all of this is going to become an absolute joke - I'm already having nightmares...

Originally posted by preiffer
Crikey - that was after quite a lot of wine!

:D:D

Still, working out conference calls as a result of all of this is going to become an absolute joke - I'm already having nightmares...

Oh yes - add in a couple of other countries to the mix and it's a classic [:(]

Cheers

Michael

Now, for those of you that have been to Vegas and done to trip out to the hoover dam, did you notice that this is the state line. There is a clock on each tower either side of the dam. The state on the far side from Vegas (Which one is it now - Arizona??) does not observe ST so in ST both clocks are the same, but in the winter Nevada is one hour behind.

What will happen is some states adopt this and other don't, you could possibly have a 2 hour difference either side of the Hoover Dam. What time do you think the workers start work that work on the Hoover Dam and what time zone do they follow?

Paul

Originally posted by p17blo
What will happen is some states adopt this and other don't, you could possibly have a 2 hour difference either side of the Hoover Dam. What time do you think the workers start work that work on the Hoover Dam and what time zone do they follow?

Paul

'Fraid it doesn't exactly work like that. A majority of states have to approve, if some don't, it won't happen.

Could be intersting,I have been late for dinner in BullHead City when staying in Laughlin (seperated by the Colorado river which acts as the state line) leaving friends shaking their heads at me.

VS-EWR -- you make a valid point about gasoline use, I believe.

Having listened to the debate here and there, it appears that there remain plenty of dissenting voices on this subject, so it yet may fail to become law. Airlines are among the "no" votes, as they are concerned with schedules being fouled up, particularly on flight arrival times from international departure points.

We already have several states that do not observe DST; any change now IMHO should attempt to put the country on "one schedule".

Regards,
Chuck-

Well, the schedules for MCO have been updated to reflect this change in March 2007 but JFK/EWR etc have not.

Not sure if the dates apply to all states or not but the dates for 2007 are confirmed as 11 MAR to 04 NOV.

I think these days that the daylight saving/British Summertime process should be disposed with. Every time we go to move forward or back there is a debate about it - its the farmers or the schools or its energy or its the state of world crops or its migrating sperm whales ...or some other reason - woudlnt it just be easier to have one time and leave it at that - then all the nonsense between countries would become irrlevant?

{jus'kiddin}Does anyone else wonder whether this whole DST thing could be a government conspiracy of some sort (can just imagine the discussions on FT or a.net!).{/juskiddin'}

Now, what time is it again?

Chuck-

Originally posted by VS-EWR
?!?! *Bang* .... [xx(]
Again, my government does not realize that, WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF OIL!

Ye might be running out of it in the states but they'll just ship in some from Tie rack.

Anyway back to the topic at hand, why cant everyone just change their bloody clocks at the same time.

Originally posted by preiffer


"Last week, U.S. congressional negotiators approved a plan to extend daylight-saving time by four weeks,..., (starting) on the second Sunday in March, and ending on the first Sunday in November."

I cannot believe it is so difficult for everyone to work out. It is sooo simple - boy you must have had some wine last night. The clue is in the words!

From 2007 the following will happen, if it is approved by government:

On Sunday March 11th the clock will jump forward (Spring forwards) by 4 weeks to April 8th. This will remove the begining of April from the calendar, which (as I am sure you know) includes the financial year end. Thus no one in the states affected will need to fill in an IRS form.

On Sunday 4th November the clocks will go back (fall back) to October 7th. Thus the range of dates Oct 7th - Nov 4th will be repeted. This will give everyone a great chance to spend the tax money they have saved on Chrismas presents - no longer will there be the old 'I didn't have time dear' excuses. The additional spending will be a much needed boost to the economy.

Of course, all this may be a little too much for my melatonin to cope with.

I understand what they are doing.. i just don't understand VS's timetable for March 2007 during this period. Looks like they have changed the orlando flight times but not the New York's etc