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VS351 BOM-LHR 6 Dec 08 (PE)

PostPosted: 07 Dec 2008, 11:43
by ukcobra
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Another long ramble.....

Connecting from Bangalore, we arrived a few minutes ahead of schedule at the terminal, courtesy of the very friendly Jet Airways. Both times I was given an exit row without asking. The food and service on board is very good.

When you get to the Terminal, there is a transfer waiting area, the first step is to get a Transfer Ticket from the information booth, then see the Jet Airways Transfer desk. Then wait for the bus to arrive.

We had to wait around 25 minutes, but eventually it arrived, and we were bused outside the airport and to the International part. The security was tighter than last week, and we actually got off at the first stop and walked outside to the 'C' gate where Virgin depart from.

The normal process is to get your bags and then check in, but we wanted row 18 so we checked in first and then got our bags, the Agent held onto our boarding passes until we had our luggage.

Security checks were not really different to those we would expect at Heathrow, and to be honest we were through all the checkin and security checks in around 30 minutes, this included the wait time for the bags to come from Jet Airways. The Virgin ground crew at checkin were very good.

We headed through the Immigration checks to exit the country and headed to the lounge, a coleague who had bene to Mumbai a few weeks back had kind of misled us about it, telling us it was a roped off area, with dodgy food. He was right about the food, I think KFC would have been a better choice, but the Clipper lounge is quiet, well decorated and has a good selection of Beer and Soft drinks and a few nibbles. It was better than the old North West lounge in Boston.

We were called for the 13:40 flight at 13:15, but we decided to leave it until 13:25, however there were still a few people to get on board, and the secondary security bag checks were slowing down the process of boarding, so some passengers were asked to bypass it, unfortunately my colleague and I were not given that option but people just before us and behind us were asked to head on board.

The flight had just under 200 people on board, with a full Economy, PE at 22 and UC with approximately 14 people.

We pushed back around 15 minutes late, but had a much shorter flight time of 9 hrs and 5 mins instead of the normal 10 hrs and 25 mins.

The drinks service came round, although there was some delay, because the guys in the seats next to me were chatting up the female CC. She was very friendly and did n't want to appear rude and break away. What I did learn was that there are 60 Virgin Mumbai based crew, many recently hired.

It was very visible that the FSM was helping with the drinks run in PE, and this would have been an ideal time to spend a moment chatting with the Au members.....

Lunch was served, although the male CC member serving my isle completely forgot about me, and I had to call him back from halfway down the PE cabin, as I wanted to ensure they did not run out of the Chicken and Mash option, as I did not fancy the Curry option, my colleague told me it was very good.

He then brought me the Veg option, and I had to remind him that the Meat option was Gold and the Veg option was green ! The Chicken and mash was ok, the desert was very rich and the cheese took ages to peel of the silver wrapping and was quite tasteless.

The IFE worked well, and I watched a movie before catching some sleep for a few hours. There is a problem to sitting in 18F, is that when the CC charge through the curtain you get hit with it each time, I lost count of the times it hit me and woke me. At one point it almost hit me in the face !

I woke during a drink and juice run, smiled at the crew and they just carried on, a few minutes later one of the non-Mumbai based crew asked me if I wanted a juice, and she came back with it in a real glass. I suspect from a discussion later on that she probably was a little more senior and had checked the passnger list for AU seating.

There was another food run 2 hours before landing, and I went for the Chicken and Pasta, although the pasta was extreemly laden with Garlic.

It was announced that we would be landing at around 17:35 an hour ahead of schedule, instead we did a quick loop over London and landed at 17:45. Once off the plane we had our passports checked at the end of the jetway, which was a first for me, as an IRIS user I keep my passport in my bag.

BOTH Iris machines were working, and we now have a little game whereby we have to get through in one click and no instructions to move back or move lower etc. Luggage was on Belt 9 again, and Priority bags did come off first, although ours were a good 10 mins later.

I got home at around 6:55, which was great considering the original scheduled arrival time.

Over all a good flight and a great trip to India, friendly people, no issues I saw at Mumbai, Bangalore or Chennai airports.

My colleague qualified for AU early, so it was a surprise for him to get it on the ourbound flight, as he was expecting to have to book a flight in Jan to NY to get 1 TP. Despite using his new FC number he was not given an invitation to the Lounge at Mumbai.

There was no Au welcome/acknowledgement, although I did notice the guys doing the chatting up had a number of glasses of champagne sent to their seats from a colleague in UC.

From the 42 flights since Dec 2006 when I first became a gold member, I recall just 1 flight to SFO where this recognition was done. A simple thankyou and a glass of real bubbly in PE was all that was needed, and it was much appreciated.

On Saturday, I'll be making my last work flight with Virgin to Miami for this year , and then back from Kingston. In 2009 I am not sure what my travel pattern looks like, but I feel like looking for a new airline.

Loyalty programmes live and die by how they differentiate your custom as a frequent flyer from anyone else on board.

Mark

PostPosted: 07 Dec 2008, 13:13
by HighFlyer
quote:crew asked me if I wanted a juice, and she came back with it in a real glass.

When I flew back from SFO in PE last month, each drink I requested came in a proper glass. I hadnt flown PE for a while and was plesantly surprised. [y]

Thanks,
Sarah

PostPosted: 07 Dec 2008, 13:41
by virginboy747
We are supposed to serve the first drinks round in glassware and then used plastic glasses in W for the rest of the flight. Doesn't look good I know, but there aren't enough loaded for both J and W.
I totally understand what you are saying about AU status. As an FSM I always ensure I give a personal hello to any gold or silver pax on board, but I know that many of my colleagues do not. It's not something that's really emphasised during FSM training, but it should be. Maybe if enough au members let virgin know that they dont get recognised on board, then the training might be changed.

PostPosted: 07 Dec 2008, 14:18
by ukcobra
Virginboy747

Thanks for the clarification regarding the training and on board recognition of Au members. I'll write later this week, as without customer feedback, these things are not likely to change.

Mark

PostPosted: 07 Dec 2008, 14:58
by capetownflyer
quote:Originally posted by ukcobra

Thanks for the clarification regarding the training and on board recognition of Au members. I'll write later this week, as without customer feedback, these things are not likely to change.


Why do u feel you need preferential treatment when u are onboard? You already get clubhouse access and are given priority for op-ups etc. If you want to drink out of a glass and be fussed over fly UC. Otherwise if you fly PE u should get PE treatment... granted the FSM could come by and say hello but an expectation of freebies is a little unreasonable.

PostPosted: 07 Dec 2008, 16:16
by ukcobra
Not talking about preferential treatment on board, just a little thanks would go a long way. When PE was introduced, a pre-flight glass of champagne was the standard, it is now Sparkling Wine.

When you experience a flight outside of UC whereby the service is well above the norm, with these sort of low cost touches, personal service etc, it goes a long way in the loyalty stakes, I know I am not the only one. On one occasion the FSM came up and said hello, with a glass of bubbly, and on 2 other occassions a Senior cabin crew came up with a glass.

Also, my company does not allow UC travel for non VPs, even if it is cheaper than a PE or full flexible Y ticket.

Who mentioned freebies, I don't expect them nor do I ask for upgrades.

I mentioned the glass, because that was a deviation to the normal service, and it was noticed by me and appreciated.

And as for priority for op ups, don't believe the hype ! I've seen people moved to UC from other parts of the plane who were non Au, while a few Au members were still sitting in their respective cabins unaware. Right place right time, right type of ticket is more likely to influence the op up likelyhood.

Writing these TRs has taught me to be observant to process and deviations to the norm, thus it's easy to spot these situations.

It also has allowed me to recognise a below average service level, which if you understand the Performance Management Systems in place in some businesses means that the Feedback loop is often broken.

Virgin are a very good airline, not far away from being great, feeding back on these areas will allow them to keep their valued clients and satisfy them as well.

PostPosted: 08 Dec 2008, 11:46
by DarkAuror
Thank you for the TR![y]

PostPosted: 08 Dec 2008, 11:54
by iforres1
If only Jet Airways did long haul I know who I would travel with on this route.

Iain

PostPosted: 08 Dec 2008, 13:45
by jtlc2345
quote:Originally posted by iforres1
If only Jet Airways did long haul I know who I would travel with on this route.

Iain


They do fly London - Mumbai do they not?

Jonathan

PostPosted: 08 Dec 2008, 13:56
by southernbelle
I'm glad the FSM was visible, too frequently I read on this forum that they are never seen.

With regards to recognition of gold card holders, I try my best but if I am honest it is not my top top priority onboard. Firstly I get my walk round done in Upper, then assist with the service in Upper doing wines etc. Then I step into premium and do additional wine and waters and liquers, then I go to economy to clear in and do a couple of orange juice and water rounds. This way I am visible in all cabins and gives the customers the opportunity to talk to me should they need to. If there are a handful of gold card holders in premium or economy I will endeavour to say hello, glass of champange etc but often there are large numbers of you now and it just gets very hard to get round and say hi to everyone. Again this recognition of gold card holders is not written down as procedure but suggested as an extra if time should permit. Not sure if this is what you want to hear but thought I would just give you it from an FSM's point of view.

Regards

PostPosted: 08 Dec 2008, 14:48
by DMetters-Bone
Thanks for the TR.

I agree, if you are Au status this should be acknowledge no matter what cabin you are flying. It is basic customer service and to thank their frequent flyers is good business sense.

DMB

PostPosted: 08 Dec 2008, 14:56
by slinky09
quote:Originally posted by jtlc2345
[quote]Originally posted by iforres1
If only Jet Airways did long haul I know who I would travel with on this route.

Iain


They do fly London - Mumbai do they not?

Jonathan


I did a TR of Jet LHR-DEL in the other airlines forum earlier this year, this was in Jet business. My conclusion was VS is still better but the Jet product is very, very good - with some better crew training / more experience and a few other things Jet could indeed be better.

PostPosted: 08 Dec 2008, 15:01
by goanmad
quote:Originally posted by iforres1
If only Jet Airways did long haul I know who I would travel with on this route.

Iain


They do a daily Delhi and Bombay to LHR and also to Brussels (I believe) then onwards to JFK?
The Business Class on internal Indian flights is awesome, so I am keen to try the LHR-BOM service, it does appeal to us.

Ian

PostPosted: 08 Dec 2008, 16:58
by ukcobra
Thanks for the feedback, and I appreciate the voice of the FSM. It was my mistake to assume it was part of the process, rather than an initaive from a few FSMs.

That changes the whole expectation aspect, from believing it has been missed, to a nice surprise when it happens.

Mark

quote:Originally posted by southernbelle
I'm glad the FSM was visible, too frequently I read on this forum that they are never seen.

With regards to recognition of gold card holders, I try my best but if I am honest it is not my top top priority onboard. Firstly I get my walk round done in Upper, then assist with the service in Upper doing wines etc. Then I step into premium and do additional wine and waters and liquers, then I go to economy to clear in and do a couple of orange juice and water rounds. This way I am visible in all cabins and gives the customers the opportunity to talk to me should they need to. If there are a handful of gold card holders in premium or economy I will endeavour to say hello, glass of champange etc but often there are large numbers of you now and it just gets very hard to get round and say hi to everyone. Again this recognition of gold card holders is not written down as procedure but suggested as an extra if time should permit. Not sure if this is what you want to hear but thought I would just give you it from an FSM's point of view.

Regards

PostPosted: 10 Dec 2008, 13:34
by Alex V
Nice one Mark good TR, it is nice when your FSM welcomes you personally i wholly agree, and i guess i must have been lucky because i have been greeted on all my flights and in the CH in LHR & JFK

Cheers

Alex

PostPosted: 10 Dec 2008, 14:33
by virginboy747
What I also try to do as an FSM is be at the boarding door, then I get to say hello to most of the passengers and I get the chance to welcome frequent flyers back on board (as your number is on the bottom of the boarding card). That way if the flight is very busy and I dont get time to get round to every au member on board, I have at least gretted them as they boarded. The majority of crew are not aware of your flyer number on the bottom of your boarding card, so I do mention this in my breifings, but again this is something which could be emphasised in training.

PostPosted: 10 Dec 2008, 16:07
by mike-smashing
quote:Originally posted by virginboy747
he majority of crew are not aware of your flyer number on the bottom of your boarding card, so I do mention this in my breifings, but again this is something which could be emphasised in training.


Maybe if more FSMs were in the habit of doing this in the briefing, it would become second nature for crew at the boarding door to keep an eye on this?

Yes, I agree this would be a good move to emphasis this in training, but there also needs to be improved tools to help the crew do this part of their job more easily.

The things I can think of specifically, which I've observed VS' competitors doing, that would help in this area are:

1) Make sure that an overview of FC Ag/Au (i.e. numbers in each cabin), any expected CIPs, VIPs, SSRs and their expected seat allocations, as well as total pax per cabin, are available to the FSM at the point of the briefing. I don't know how much of this is done now, I know you get pax loads per cabin, and VIP/CIPs for the briefing but is that it? Other airlines seem to have FF information in this 'overview manifest' available to the FSM.

2) When check-in is closed, or when boarding starts, the FSM is given an updated FF/VIP/CIP/SSR list, with seat allocations - before the final pax manifest is produced. The FSM can then highlight this to crew as necessary.

3) Mark FC status more clearly on the boarding card. For example, when I fly United, as a Mileage Plus Premier Exec, it actually says 'Premier Executive' underneath the FF number on the boarding stub, and I get the same colour boarding card as a F or J pax, regardless of cabin flown. When I fly with Air New Zealand, they print a very large 'UA*G' on the boarding stub. Swiss, BMI, SAS, and others, it says 'UA*G', usually next to the FF number, or just somewhere on the stub. With VS, you have to look at the number itself, and know that a '900' is an Au, for example. VS could roll out special boarding cards for Au's, i.e. with a gold background or some other gold detail.

4) Ensure that crew in J work off a printed manifest/seat plan, which also doubles as the meal order sheet, rather than the hand written one VS use. UA, GF, NZ and many others use this. Saves time (no hand writing of manifests onto meal order sheets) and improves customer service, because it already has the pax details (including FF status) on it.

This seems to be how VS' competitors are able to deliver these small touches, and VS could do probably these things relatively easily.

Mike

PostPosted: 10 Dec 2008, 17:42
by virginboy747
Some good ideas there Mike!

For your info at the point of the briefing all we have is the expected passenger load and sometimes details of any VIP/CIPs though we dont get their seat numbers. There is no info regarding any au pax.

Just before the door closes for departure we get one printed off copy showing pax who have ordered special meals, a name-list for J and W (with their ff number next to the name if applicable) and at the bottom a list of gold and silver pax in all cabins with their seat numbers. Crew in J then have to take turns with the one name-list to write the names of their pax on their order sheets, and usually they will mark if they are gold or silver next to their name.

I will pass your ideas on to the service department and let you know if i get any response.

regards

PostPosted: 10 Dec 2008, 23:36
by slinky09
quote:Originally posted by virginboy747
sometimes details of any VIP/CIPs though we dont get their seat numbers

Thanks for that - I'd be interested to know what VS's definition of a CIP is?