V-Flyer

Here we go, this is where I let off steam. How come in this country we have to do things to the extream. OK, in general I agree with the smoking ban in GENERAL public places, but as someone who smokes while having a drink out at night, I was never in favour of all bars not being allowed to choose for themselves whether to allow smoking or not. Now there should be a rule that if the weather is nice, and there is seating outside of pubs, if it is limited, only people that do smoke should be allowed to use it, and non-smokers should be forced to sit inside. That would teach you to be careful of what you wish for[}:)] Also reported yesterday of a guy sitting in his car in Asda car park having a smoke and chatting on the phone, was fined 50 by a police officer for smoking as he was within the boundaries of a public place. Also been reported that companies are informing people in their own homes not to smoke prior to their employees calling, or they could refuse to enter your property.
Shoot away, just be advised that I have very broad shoulders[y]

I am with you 100%

I am with you 100%

Now there should be a rule that if the weather is nice, and there is seating outside of pubs, if it is limited, only people that do smoke should be allowed to use it, and non-smokers should be forced to sit inside

no need for a rule, who would want to sit outside in a putrid carcinogenic cloud? [:$]

Now there should be a rule that if the weather is nice, and there is seating outside of pubs, if it is limited, only people that do smoke should be allowed to use it, and non-smokers should be forced to sit inside

no need for a rule, who would want to sit outside in a putrid carcinogenic cloud? [:$]

Its my understanding that the guy fined with a fixed penalty notice was actually sitting in his company van which is now illegal to smoke in as it is used by more than one employee.

Its my understanding that the guy fined with a fixed penalty notice was actually sitting in his company van which is now illegal to smoke in as it is used by more than one employee.

Smoke free life is fabulous! There has been a huge thing all about this all over the radio, newspapers etc. They seem to forget that Wales and Scotland went clean-air several months ago. Can't wait to go out to my fave club night on Friday to enjoy the sights and sounds without streaming eyes.

Smoke free life is fabulous! There has been a huge thing all about this all over the radio, newspapers etc. They seem to forget that Wales and Scotland went clean-air several months ago. Can't wait to go out to my fave club night on Friday to enjoy the sights and sounds without streaming eyes.

This is a tricky one for me to comment upon, I gave up smoking ( in the process anyway ) 16 days ago, Have been smoking for 27 years.
Went to London last Friday and had a few drinks in the pubs on the Saturday, I work my nuts off most of the year 24/7 and its a rare thing for me to be able to go to a pub or drink.

Since not smoking for only two weeks I noticed the stink of fags inside the pub and the horrible tickling at the back of my throat from the smoke.

I have never ever noticed this before and always thought of anti smokers just to be whiners, but I stand corrected, it did stink, it does make you want to heave in a smokey room if you don't smoke and it is gross to think you are breathing in used smokey aire that has just done the same journey inside someone elses lungs and gullet.

I apologise to the hundreds of people that I must have subjected to this inside pubs and clubs over the years without a second thought.

Basically you wouldn't do a huge fart in a crowded place and expect people to breath in your gas so why do the same with smoke.

I approve of the ban indoors, and I think those that smoke outdoors should be left alone to do it without any sneery looks or remarks from non smokers.

This is a tricky one for me to comment upon, I gave up smoking ( in the process anyway ) 16 days ago, Have been smoking for 27 years.
Went to London last Friday and had a few drinks in the pubs on the Saturday, I work my nuts off most of the year 24/7 and its a rare thing for me to be able to go to a pub or drink.

Since not smoking for only two weeks I noticed the stink of fags inside the pub and the horrible tickling at the back of my throat from the smoke.

I have never ever noticed this before and always thought of anti smokers just to be whiners, but I stand corrected, it did stink, it does make you want to heave in a smokey room if you don't smoke and it is gross to think you are breathing in used smokey aire that has just done the same journey inside someone elses lungs and gullet.

I apologise to the hundreds of people that I must have subjected to this inside pubs and clubs over the years without a second thought.

Basically you wouldn't do a huge fart in a crowded place and expect people to breath in your gas so why do the same with smoke.

I approve of the ban indoors, and I think those that smoke outdoors should be left alone to do it without any sneery looks or remarks from non smokers.

Originally posted by AlanA
Its my understanding that the guy fined with a fixed penalty notice was actually sitting in his company van which is now illegal to smoke in as it is used by more than one employee.

That was my take as well, but he was on the radio yesterday, it was his own van, and he says the copper definatly wrote him up because he was on private property and smoking within 30ft. of a public building[:?]

Originally posted by AlanA
Its my understanding that the guy fined with a fixed penalty notice was actually sitting in his company van which is now illegal to smoke in as it is used by more than one employee.

That was my take as well, but he was on the radio yesterday, it was his own van, and he says the copper definatly wrote him up because he was on private property and smoking within 30ft. of a public building[:?]

I can't help but think of the old Victoria Wood comment. Two people having sex on the Underground in London and no-one makes a comment. When done they light up and have a ciggy, everyone gasps in horror and someone points at them saying 'Excuse me, you do realise this a no smoking carriage!'

I can't help but think of the old Victoria Wood comment. Two people having sex on the Underground in London and no-one makes a comment. When done they light up and have a ciggy, everyone gasps in horror and someone points at them saying 'Excuse me, you do realise this a no smoking carriage!'

Originally posted by easygoingeezer
Basically you wouldn't do a huge fart in a crowded place and expect people to breath in your gas so why do the same with smoke.

Some would. I actually experienced this whilst having dinner in Winchester the other evening when Stinky Pete on the table next door let go. Not pleasant.

I'm a bit ambivalent on this one (the smoking issue that is). Somehow I've always thought a slightly smoky atmosphere suits a drinking den, but I've always loathed it in clubs (particularly those with low ceilings) and anywhere serving food. It will be interesting to see what our local feels like in a few weeks time.

Paul

Originally posted by easygoingeezer
Basically you wouldn't do a huge fart in a crowded place and expect people to breath in your gas so why do the same with smoke.

Some would. I actually experienced this whilst having dinner in Winchester the other evening when Stinky Pete on the table next door let go. Not pleasant.

I'm a bit ambivalent on this one (the smoking issue that is). Somehow I've always thought a slightly smoky atmosphere suits a drinking den, but I've always loathed it in clubs (particularly those with low ceilings) and anywhere serving food. It will be interesting to see what our local feels like in a few weeks time.

Paul

Originally posted by easygoingeezer
I approve of the ban indoors, and I think those that smoke outdoors should be left alone to do it without any sneery looks or remarks from non smokers.

Spot on EGG [^] and here speaks a 'reformed' smoker who gave up some 10 years ago. [:)]

Originally posted by easygoingeezer
I approve of the ban indoors, and I think those that smoke outdoors should be left alone to do it without any sneery looks or remarks from non smokers.

Spot on EGG [^] and here speaks a 'reformed' smoker who gave up some 10 years ago. [:)]

I don't smoke, i have no issue with those who do, and i am mainly glad that the smoking ban is in effect as nobody should have to work or relax in a smoke filled atmosphere, but the whole public places thing has, in typical British fashion, got completely out of hand. Churches having to put up no-smoking signs, and mandatory signs in company vehicles? This kind of stuff is going to make sensible people, like myself, into a sympathist towards the smokers as its just bureaucracy gone mad.

Thanks,
Sarah

I dont smoke, i have no issue with those who do, and i am mainly glad that the smoking ban is in effect as nobody should have to work or relax in a smoke filled atmosphere, but the whole public places thing has, in typical British fashion, got completely out of hand. Churches having to put up no-smoking signs, and mandatory signs in company vehicles? This kind of stuff is going to make sensible people, like myself, into a sympathist towards the smokers as its just bureaucracy gone mad.

Thanks,
Sarah

Just to focus on one aspect of Stoneman's post. The licensed trade have nobody to blame but themselves on this issue. For years and years the extent of catering to non-smokers was putting some 'no smoking' signs on two tables in the corner of the pub and that was magically supposed to filter the air.

I am the worst kind of non-smoker, I am an ex-smoker and yes I guess that makes me a hypocrite. However if the licensed trade had dealt with this responsibly, and had (in overwhelming numbers) instituted meaningful changes in their establishments then this legislation could have been delayed by years if not decades.

Instead they chose to take short term profits over long term customer care and now they are complaining they will lose business. They ignored the issue for years and now it has bitten them in the butt.

I, for one, will not lose any sleep over it.

Just to focus on one aspect of Stoneman's post. The licensed trade have nobody to blame but themselves on this issue. For years and years the extent of catering to non-smokers was putting some 'no smoking' signs on two tables in the corner of the pub and that was magically supposed to filter the air.

I am the worst kind of non-smoker, I am an ex-smoker and yes I guess that makes me a hypocrite. However if the licensed trade had dealt with this responsibly, and had (in overwhelming numbers) instituted meaningful changes in their establishments then this legislation could have been delayed by years if not decades.

Instead they chose to take short term profits over long term customer care and now they are complaining they will lose business. They ignored the issue for years and now it has bitten them in the butt.

I, for one, will not lose any sleep over it.

Originally posted by pjh

Some would. I actually experienced this whilst having dinner in Winchester the other evening when Stinky Pete on the table next door let go.

Strange. I don't remember being in Winchester recently.

Originally posted by pjh

Some would. I actually experienced this whilst having dinner in Winchester the other evening when Stinky Pete on the table next door let go.

Strange. I don't remember being in Winchester recently.