Silly Question
Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 00:17Do you consider Bermuda to be its own country?
quote:Originally posted by mcmbenjamin
Do you consider Bermuda to be its own country?
Yep
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Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 00:17Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 00:31Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 01:17Bermuda is an overseas territory of the UK, and its situation is similar to that of England, Wales and Scotland. It has no independent diplomatic representation and passports are issued by the UK. The UK runs its defence, security and foreign affairs.
Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 01:17Pity Mrs G isn't still posting. She lived there
Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 06:18Hmmm... I like to visit different countries. There is the UN list which is useless in this case. What defines the difference with the UK?
-Do the people consider themselves British subjects?
-IIRC, Bermuda passports are different from mainland UK passports? (Guam, PR, etc get normal, USA passports)
-Does it count as a different country?
-Bermuda REALLY has no say in Parliament? There laws? Puerto Rico has that. Hell Washington DC has that.
-Do the people consider themselves British subjects?
-IIRC, Bermuda passports are different from mainland UK passports? (Guam, PR, etc get normal, USA passports)
-Does it count as a different country?
-Bermuda REALLY has no say in Parliament? There laws? Puerto Rico has that. Hell Washington DC has that.
Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 07:01I stand by my 'yep', if you ask a Bermuda native if they are British, they will answer no, it's pretty much the same situation as the US has with PR.
Looking to escape the snow ?
Looking to escape the snow ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 08:58It is a self governing British Overseas Territory.
It has a parliament and has responsibilty for its internal governance. the UK Government is responsible for foreign affairs and defence.
It has a parliament and has responsibilty for its internal governance. the UK Government is responsible for foreign affairs and defence.
Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 09:03quote:Originally posted by mcmbenjamin
Do you consider Bermuda to be its own country?
Yep. Kinda the same as Puerta Ricans would call themselves separate.
Do you consider Bermuda to be its own country?
Yep. Kinda the same as Puerta Ricans would call themselves separate.
Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 09:25quote:Originally posted by mcmbenjamin
Hmmm... I like to visit different countries. There is the UN list which is useless in this case. What defines the difference with the UK?
From that, rather than a legalistic, pov - and those of national character, culture, tradition etc - I'd have to concede that it would count it as a different 'country'.
Hmmm... I like to visit different countries. There is the UN list which is useless in this case. What defines the difference with the UK?
From that, rather than a legalistic, pov - and those of national character, culture, tradition etc - I'd have to concede that it would count it as a different 'country'.
Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 09:43quote:Originally posted by tontybear
It is a self governing British Overseas Territory.
It has a parliament and has responsibilty for its internal governance. the UK Government is responsible for foreign affairs and defence.
A bit like Wales and Scotland then[:D]
It is a self governing British Overseas Territory.
It has a parliament and has responsibilty for its internal governance. the UK Government is responsible for foreign affairs and defence.
A bit like Wales and Scotland then[:D]
Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 09:48No it is a part of UK and I am responsible for part of it in my day to day work - live there as a child was it is very Brit like.
Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 09:51quote:Originally posted by hackneyguy
No it is a part of UK and I am responsible for part of it in my day to day work - live there as a child was it is very Brit like.
Just to be clear, I know it is, they no it is, but it's not.
quote:Originally posted by iforres1
quote:Originally posted by tontybear
It is a self governing British Overseas Territory.
It has a parliament and has responsibilty for its internal governance. the UK Government is responsible for foreign affairs and defence.
A bit like Wales and Scotland then[:D]
Actually that is a very good way off putting it, just with better weather [:D]
No it is a part of UK and I am responsible for part of it in my day to day work - live there as a child was it is very Brit like.
Just to be clear, I know it is, they no it is, but it's not.
quote:Originally posted by iforres1
quote:Originally posted by tontybear
It is a self governing British Overseas Territory.
It has a parliament and has responsibilty for its internal governance. the UK Government is responsible for foreign affairs and defence.
A bit like Wales and Scotland then[:D]
Actually that is a very good way off putting it, just with better weather [:D]
Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 10:24quote:Originally posted by pjh
From that, rather than a legalistic, pov - and those of national character, culture, tradition etc - I'd have to concede that it would count it as a different 'country'.
Lenin, in 'State and Revolution' described statehood as being defined by a shared history, culture, economy and outlook (I think). In Lenin's view, Bermuda is probably its own state.
From that, rather than a legalistic, pov - and those of national character, culture, tradition etc - I'd have to concede that it would count it as a different 'country'.
Lenin, in 'State and Revolution' described statehood as being defined by a shared history, culture, economy and outlook (I think). In Lenin's view, Bermuda is probably its own state.
Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 11:33All the Puerto Ricans I know consider themselves American and are offended by American tourists suggesting otherwise.... to quote one
'Do you take dollars?'
'What do you think we take - bananas?'
'Do you take dollars?'
'What do you think we take - bananas?'
Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 11:38quote:Originally posted by Decker
All the Puerto Ricans I know consider themselves American and are offended by American tourists suggesting otherwise.... to quote one
'Do you take dollars?'
'What do you think we take - bananas?'
Thats sounds more like an ingnorant american to me.
Must have been related to the one I met on a tour of the Parliamenet in Ottawa that didn't know the French were in Canada before the British (or in Louisianna for that matter!)
All the Puerto Ricans I know consider themselves American and are offended by American tourists suggesting otherwise.... to quote one
'Do you take dollars?'
'What do you think we take - bananas?'
Thats sounds more like an ingnorant american to me.
Must have been related to the one I met on a tour of the Parliamenet in Ottawa that didn't know the French were in Canada before the British (or in Louisianna for that matter!)
Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 14:16Was there last year. It certainly had some of the UK formality. The classic British Colonial architecture was everywhere.
Chuck-
Chuck-
Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 17:13A bit like the Isle of Man? But warmer!
Posted: 09 Feb 2010, 20:55quote:Originally posted by Decker
All the Puerto Ricans I know consider themselves American and are offended by American tourists suggesting otherwise.... to quote one
'Do you take dollars?'
'What do you think we take - bananas?'
Yep, they consider themselves to be American, until they are asked to pay taxes, then forget it [:p]
All the Puerto Ricans I know consider themselves American and are offended by American tourists suggesting otherwise.... to quote one
'Do you take dollars?'
'What do you think we take - bananas?'
Yep, they consider themselves to be American, until they are asked to pay taxes, then forget it [:p]
Posted: 10 Feb 2010, 23:55I see where Scrooge is coming from on this one.
A friend of mine is Bermudian and has recently returned back for work. The whole time he was in the UK working he would tell people he was Bermudian. To him that is his nationality.
Interestingly his wife is Canadian and had no problem working in the UK but since they have moved back to Bermuda she has been asked to jump through hoop after hoop in order to gain the necessary approval to work (eg: needed to get marriage certificate notorised, notorised doctors notes, lung xray before she could work!) which is in direct contrast to when she came to the UK about 18 months ago. Guess what I am saying is whilst Bermuda is considered part of the UK they seem to have differing rules with regards to work permits when compared to the mainland.
A friend of mine is Bermudian and has recently returned back for work. The whole time he was in the UK working he would tell people he was Bermudian. To him that is his nationality.
Interestingly his wife is Canadian and had no problem working in the UK but since they have moved back to Bermuda she has been asked to jump through hoop after hoop in order to gain the necessary approval to work (eg: needed to get marriage certificate notorised, notorised doctors notes, lung xray before she could work!) which is in direct contrast to when she came to the UK about 18 months ago. Guess what I am saying is whilst Bermuda is considered part of the UK they seem to have differing rules with regards to work permits when compared to the mainland.
Posted: 11 Feb 2010, 00:17Well they have full control over their internal affairs so that includes immigration etc. UK is only responsible for foreign affairs and external security.
If you asked 99.9999% of the UK population if Bermuda was part of the UK they would say firmly 'no' and say it was an indepedent country.
If you asked 99.9999% of the UK population if Bermuda was part of the UK they would say firmly 'no' and say it was an indepedent country.
Posted: 11 Feb 2010, 08:50quote:Originally posted by tontybear
If you asked 99.9999% of the UK population if Bermuda was part of the UK they would say firmly 'no' and say it was an indepedent country.
If you asked 99.9999% of the UK population where Bermuda is, 75% would say 'dunno' and the others would think it is in the USA. This leaves the 0.0001% who are V-Flyers, who of course know where it is!
If you asked 99.9999% of the UK population if Bermuda was part of the UK they would say firmly 'no' and say it was an indepedent country.
If you asked 99.9999% of the UK population where Bermuda is, 75% would say 'dunno' and the others would think it is in the USA. This leaves the 0.0001% who are V-Flyers, who of course know where it is!
Posted: 11 Feb 2010, 12:43Don't forget about the percentage who would think it's in the Caribbean!
Posted: 11 Feb 2010, 12:49quote:Originally posted by willd
A friend of mine is Bermudian and has recently returned back for work. The whole time he was in the UK working he would tell people he was Bermudian. To him that is his nationality.
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I consider myself English above being British
A friend of mine is Bermudian and has recently returned back for work. The whole time he was in the UK working he would tell people he was Bermudian. To him that is his nationality.
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I consider myself English above being British
Posted: 11 Feb 2010, 12:54quote:Originally posted by woggles
quote:Originally posted by willd
A friend of mine is Bermudian and has recently returned back for work. The whole time he was in the UK working he would tell people he was Bermudian. To him that is his nationality.
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I consider myself English above being British
I dont and never have consdiered myself as british as is exlcudes a great deal of the United Kingdom.
I consider myself Scottish first, European second but a citizen & resident of the UK.
quote:Originally posted by willd
A friend of mine is Bermudian and has recently returned back for work. The whole time he was in the UK working he would tell people he was Bermudian. To him that is his nationality.
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I consider myself English above being British
I dont and never have consdiered myself as british as is exlcudes a great deal of the United Kingdom.
I consider myself Scottish first, European second but a citizen & resident of the UK.
Posted: 11 Feb 2010, 14:29quote:Originally posted by woggles
I consider myself English above being British
Ditto and I will never be European
I consider myself English above being British
Ditto and I will never be European