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#242479 by Paul H
01 May 2006, 15:30
Ground Staff
Food & Drink
Entertainment
Seat
Cabin Crew
Check in.

Short wait time but staff member not welcoming and when asked if we had still had our original seats was told to wait until I have finished this!!
She then gave us our boarding passes which is a rather good description as she appeared very bored herself.[n]

Escape Lounge. (Again a good description as we couldn`t wait to escape from it)

We had been told by Virgin that we could take a guest each into the lounge as my daughter was travelling Economy with her friend. We walked in and were greeted by a lady on reception. We handed our boarding passes over and explained that we wanted to bring our guests in as well. No you can`t came the reply. I explained that Virgin said we could each bring in a guest. This is not a Virgin lounge, they just pay us to allow their passengers in was her reply. By now, there were people behind us and the people in the lounge were listening intently. I asked the lady to call the Virgin check in and clear our access. She dialled two different numbers with no answer. She then dialled a number and said in a very loud voice, Yes I have two people here trying to get their daughters into the lounge. The person on the other end then must have told her that she had the wrong Virgin dept as she said she would try another number.
At this point, I told her to forget it and after explaining my thoughts to her (politely) we left. I have sent a complaint to Virgin on this matter.
So far, the Upper Class experience was anything but.[n][n]

Boarding.

Appeared unorganised. People standing around blocking the gate. When I asked when Upper could board, I was told 5 minutes, after 20, I asked again and was told 10 minutes. Call then came for people with prams/strollers/wheelchairs to board. I asked if we could board and the guy said, Oh, yeh.[n]

Flight.
Champagne/Bucks Fizz/Orange juice offered. Glass was tall flute. When I looked around for a suitable place to put it, I found the small pop out table under the lamp. Unfortunately, this does not fit a tall glass without fouling the lamp. The lamp itself looks like the Predators shoulder cannon but when I switched it on, it is obviously not as useful.
The small pop out table is also behind you so is not comfortable to reach.
Took off about 10 minutes late. No personal introduction from cabin manager. No Carlos magazine, no amenity kit.
Cabin crew came up and asked if we knew how to operate the seats. When I mentioned the lack of a place to put the glass, he popped out the TV screen and said that the gap that it left was the best place for drinks glasses. It was, but I am not sure if this is what the designers intended. Seat seemed to go up and down by itself . Crew said that it`s the bed changeover button that is very sensitive and if you just brush against it slightly, it can move your seat. Good explanation, but considering I was approx 3 feet away from this button, it would have had to have been a very, very slight brush on the button. After adjusting itself three more times over the next ten minutes or so, it never happened again throughout the flight.
Drinks orders taken. Chardonnay was very good. Nibbles brought but were basically potatoe crisps/chips.
Staff to me were professional, rather than friendly.
Meal orders taken and as from one of my previous postings on dine on request, we decided to delay our meal. This request was met by a pause, then Ok.
After approx thirty minutes, a crew member asked if we would like another drink and if we were ready to eat. Yes and yes. My wife asked for the Loch Fyne Salmon with salad but as a main course rather than a starter. I asked for the Leak and potatoe soup and the salmon.
The soup came and although tasty, the portion was pitiful. Bread roll choice was good.
The salmon arrived and according to my wife was a bit on the dry side and the salad was just some lettuce.
Cue the test for dine on request. As one of the crew passed, I asked if I could change the salmon I had ordered to the bangers and mash. No problem was the reply but it will take approx 20 minutes to prepare. I was given a regular update on progress. [y] It duly arrived and was good without being spectacular.
My wife had the Rhubarb crumble and ice cream which she said was exceptional.[y]
I had cheese and crackers. The cheese arrived along with some brittle cardboard pieces that I later deduced were the Carr`s water biscuits. A better choice of crackers would have been better as the cheese selection was good. A very large glass of good port was brought on request. Had coffee but it was only acceptable. I would have thought fresh ground was easily achievable.
I know some people have said in postings that they do not look out of the windows, but I find sitting, having a drink and listening to music whilst looking out on the world very relaxing. This is just not possible without getting a stiff neck as the seat angle does not allow it. Also, the positioning of the Ottoman allowed the lady from 7K to regularly visit her husband sitting behind me in 7A. I found her sitting approx 2 feet away from me explaining to her husband for the following hour, how You must just ignore him, I know he gets on your nerves. At first I thought she was referring to me and just as I was going to offer to discuss the matter, she said just let him drive and you can have a drink. It turned out, they were going on holiday with her sister and he hated her brother in law!
The seat positioning was not to my liking as I think it is too invasive of your personal space.
The seat itself was comfortable but the narrowing of the ottoman seat meant that I had to cross my feet over if I wanted to stretch out. ( I am 6`3, so would not be a problem for shorter people).
After approx 2 hours, I asked one of the crew if there was an amenity kit, he handed them out. In my opinion it was not impressive.
Entertainment system was Nova. Head phones were again in my opinion, cheap and not a business class product. Other airlines I have used had Bose head phones with noise cancelling feature. The Virgin offering appeared to be from economy class. The brightness of each channel was different and the sound poor. No mention was made of when the entertainment cycle was starting so we both managed to join the films in the middle, both times. I watched an episode of the Office, then gave up and read. I thought the audio channels were disappointing in the choice of music. I know that music is a personal preference and I like a broad cross section , but I couldn`t find anything worthwhile to listen to.
Sandwiches and cakes were brought around and having reached the point where the couple next to me were planning how to murder the brother inlaw, I decide that to avoid complications of being a witness, the best option would be to join my wife at her ottoman to eat sandwiches.
I found this impossible without putting my left arm over the seat wall. If I tried to eat normally at her table, I brushed the aforementioned easily brushable button that then started to convert my wife`s seat into a bed. As she had just seen chocolate cakes being offered further back in the cabin, I thought that it was more than my life was worth to entangle her in a mechanical bed, so I took the risk of rejoining Bonnie and Clyde back at my seat. Clyde was actually flat out with Bonnie stroking his head. I took it that there had either been a radical change of plan on how to solve the problem or the Jack Daniels he had been drinking for the last three hours had done the trick.
An interesting option that I noticed during my visit to 6K, was a fly entombed in between the window glass. Apparently this is available on Virgins website at no cost.
We were the only people to visit the bar. Drambuie had run out, but the crew member disappeared and came back with one from somewhere. It was at this point that another crew member decided to top up her hair spray. She stood in the entrance way in full view and let loose with the laquer!
Plane landed and after previous experience of Miami immigration I was delighted with the friendly reception of the lady immigration officer. I mentioned this to her on leaving.

I realise that this report goes against other peoples views of Upper class and it is meant only as my opinion.
I think I read somewhere that Upper class is a First class product at Business class prices. This in my opinion is way off.
I think that there is a fine line between trying to be hip and being cheap. I think the seat has design flaws and the food is not business class standard on quality or quantity. The entertainment system was not good enough, headphones etc. The Manchester lounge is not a dedicated Virgin lounge and the checkin just did not feel special enough.
To sum up. I went on this trip with an open mind and tried to make unbiased views, but this experience has not converted me to Virgin Upper Class, the cost is not justified for this level of product.[n]

As we did not wish to pay an extra 450 each for a hotel room in the sky, we flew back PE. I will add a TR for this but for a heads up, this is easily worth the cost. [y]
#350211 by GatorBaiter
01 May 2006, 15:38
It's always good to get a balanced view, even if it does mean experiences which are less than great. Enjoyed the read. Thanks! [y]
#350215 by maz
01 May 2006, 16:14
Now this is worrying me!! We have just booked UC MAN to MCO and was hoping it would be a memorable experience!
I hope you write a letter listing your complaints both for yourself and the many passengers that follow you!!


Maz
#350216 by Decker
01 May 2006, 16:27
Thanks for that! I'm sorry that it wasn't a perfect experience but appreciate your candour. Let's hope your concerns are addressed by customer services in a meaningful way.
#350264 by Nottingham Nick
01 May 2006, 22:19
Thanks for the TR, Paul.

As I see it, all of your negative comments are more than justified. [:#]

It is a pity that your trip didn't live up to your expectations, it will also give yet more credence to those who are campaigning for an end to MAN being treated as apparent the poor relation to the southern airports.

Please let us know what response you get to your letter of complaint.

Nick
#350268 by wafren
01 May 2006, 22:26
this is probably what will happen to me and my family when we go UC this Aug they make it very average for you

we always go PE its OK but not perfect we just like the space, Manchester and virgin still have a long way to go,

maybe we should go to London to get the real UC experience and fly back to manchester !!! who knows and we will see in AUG [:?]
#350355 by Jonathan
02 May 2006, 15:16
Honest TR Paul,

I'm sorry your experience wasn't better - but appreciate your constructive criticism.

I look forward to hearing VA's response and thanks for the post!

edit: for spelling as always[:I]
#350701 by Paul H
03 May 2006, 22:40
Initial reply from Virgin ref my recent complaint on Manchester UC product.
Can everyone please give me any questions you have and when SRB calls me I can bring them up and discuss them with him.[;)]


Our Ref: ****/******/1


03 May 2006


'Dear Mr H

Thank you for taking the time to contact us.

Your e-mail has been forwarded to Richard Bransons office, who
will reply to you as soon as possible.

In the meantime, we would like to thank you for your patience.

Yours sincerely

{name}
Customer Relations'


All I said in my email was that the rhubarb crumble was crap.It`s not as though it`s SRBs favourite or anything.

{mcuth: edited to remove staff name as per site rules}
#350759 by easygoingeezer
04 May 2006, 10:27
After flying from Gatwick UCS I myself found MAN service and attitude lacking in comparison, hopefully my Nov flight will be ok.

Having said that just an extra £1200 upgrade with Virgin Hols less a 10% discount on the total holiday is worth it to me not to have to sit with various football kit wearers in EC.

I am goin to enjoy myself whatever they throw at me[}:)]
#350812 by Mavrick
04 May 2006, 14:31
Thank you for the TR, Paul. [y]
#354627 by slk
25 May 2006, 09:19
I'm sorry to hear you had some problems with your flight. I flew out to MCO from MAN on 27th April, and had been dreading the Escape lounge after reading several of the reports in these forums. However I was really pleasantly surprised (and I don't think it was just because my expectations were so low)!

There are actually two lounges (next to each other) as they have just opened an extension. When we showed our boarding cards in the original lounge, they directed us across the corridor to the new one. There was hardly anyone in here, but the decor was lovely and relaxing (quite impressive water feature), the staff were really pleasant, and the food and drink choice was not bad at all (although not up to Virgin CH standards). We spent a really relaxing 3/4 hour before our flight.

We might have been really lucky in that we were flying off season, and that the lounge is quite new, but I would just like to say that for anyone else flying UC at Manchester, at least go and check it out to see if it's nice and quiet, as we almost didn't bother and that would have been a shame.
#354843 by n/a
26 May 2006, 21:39
My perception (after flying UCS many times and reading many, many more TRs about it here) is that the biggest issue afflicting VS is...INCONSISTENCY OF SERVICE.

To anyone who would read this TR and have anxiety, I say to you: relax. Your experience may very well be positive.

The bad side of this is that to all those people who read a positive TR and are excited about your upcoming flight, I say to you: beware. Your experience may well be worse.

This is not a good situation for VS, and I do hope they do what it takes to drive some experiential consistency through their operations. It will certainly go a long way toward making people feel less of a croupier when tossing their major money on the table to buy those UC tickets.

GJ
Virgin Atlantic

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