VS27 16/04/2012 - Emergency Landing at LGW.

In my opinion any doctor, nurse, paramedic, etc. not helping a sick/injured/dying person anywhere should be guilty of negligence.

Absolutely, I couldn't agree more and you got in there before I did!

It's almost like if you were being assaulted in the street and a police officer walked on by and didn't help.

Jkay1982 I am due out next Thursday still showing as an airbus seat plan so I think mad rouge will transfer from Manchester to LGW on the Wednesday as they only run one flight from Manchester on the Thursday I would like to think I would have heard by now if they were gong to change the seating assignment otherwise it will cause chaos at check in

Hobbit, my friends are due out from GLA not LGW and their seat plan has changed from a333 to 744.

What a sad world we live in where trained (medical) personnel are scared to do what they're trained to for fear of litigation.

As a registered paramedic I have voulunteered my services twice on VA flights - both with a good outcome and both with full assurance that VA insurance would cover any claims against me - not that it would have made a difference if they didn't. In my opinion any doctor, nurse, paramedic, etc. not helping a sick/injured/dying person anywhere should be guilty of negligence.

I was listening to the radio 2 debate in the car - it was followed by an equally diabolical debate about the yacht grounding in Guernsey. (I am a commercial helicopter pilot and marine captain.)I got told off for shouting at the car radio!

W.

I have assisted ambulance crews after a nasty road accident which i came across a few weeks back so i would assist someone if i was needed (or felt i could be useful or save a life) however as i said earlier the hospitals i work at (not naming them but one in South Wiltshire and another in Dorset) discourage staff from helping people on the street.

Just wish the press had spoken to Daybird and got the story of what actually happened for a fair and reasoned passenger perspective. Hope you have a wonderful break and a stress free return flight...

[buns]

I was a passenger on VS27 and have to say that the crew did an amazing job from my perspective. The mere fact that 300 people were safely evacuated from the plane in under 2 minutes is a true testament to the training and competence of the crew. I commend the entire Virgin staff that I came in contact with during the whole ordeal. They were extremely professional and prompt in the time following the evacuation. I felt that the Virgin staff had genuine concern for all passengers and offered a tremendous amount of support to all of us. It was a terrifying experience and not something that anyone can ever imagine unless they have been through it. I never questioned getting on VS127 to FL yesterday and I would absolutely choose Virgin again. Just happy that all are safe - could have been much much worse.

Thanks for putting the record straight y) y) Pity that we all know that the Media would not wish to promote this as it would be against all the rubbish published so far.

Do have a wonderful time in Florida

buns

Beauty was flown from GTW to Manchester this evening so maybe back in service tomorrow so maybe not to much damage from the landing after all

I think I read about a couple of burst tyres due to the heavy landing, but apart from that there doesn't seem like there is any structural damage - on my FlightRadar24 app the flight info showed as VS75 MAN-MCO, even though it was hopping up from LGW-MAN... Back in service tomorrow?

In my opinion any doctor, nurse, paramedic, etc. not helping a sick/injured/dying person anywhere should be guilty of negligence.

Absolutely, I couldn't agree more and you got in there before I did!

It's almost like if you were being assaulted in the street and a police officer walked on by and didn't help.

From a common law point of view (unless the principle may have changed since my Uni days) you're only liable if you're negligent in performing your rescue and IMO pushing a pax down a slide to save his and other lives should not be actionable unless it's shown that it was done with malice.

I think it's sad that medical personnel who instictively want to help out someone in distress would have to hesitate for fear of being sued if anything goes wrong but sadly these are the times we live in. And yes, lawyers aren't helping the situation especially with aLl the advertisments about "if you've suffered and injury come and talk to us... No win no fee"

Hi,

Can anyone confirm if G-VSXY is back in service later this morning ??

FlightAware is showing the B'Queen is doing the route... not sure if that's old data populating the AC.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GVSXY

Thanks

Rick

Do we know exactly what it was that set off the smoke detectors yet?
I have heard rumours of mangos or peppers that were getting a little too ripe...

[Darren Wheeler]

Most of the details won't be known until the AAIB issue their reports. Until then, anything on forums etc. should be treated with caution

In my opinion any doctor, nurse, paramedic, etc. not helping a sick/injured/dying person anywhere should be guilty of negligence.

Absolutely, I couldn't agree more and you got in there before I did!

It's almost like if you were being assaulted in the street and a police officer walked on by and didn't help.

From a common law point of view (unless the principle may have changed since my Uni days) you're only liable if you're negligent in performing your rescue and IMO pushing a pax down a slide to save his and other lives should not be actionable unless it's shown that it was done with malice.

I think it's sad that medical personnel who instictively want to help out someone in distress would have to hesitate for fear of being sued if anything goes wrong but sadly these are the times we live in. And yes, lawyers aren't helping the situation especially with aLl the advertisments about "if you've suffered and injury come and talk to us... No win no fee"

Some bizzare attitudes here? Bill mentions the point that is oft forgotten, 9 times out of ten Dr.'s won't publish their title to the carrier, unless Dr in advanced socio-economic history of the Sudan or something equally academic & non medical. The current situations for involvement in a professional capacity especially on foreign carriers can be very complicated. Nurses/ Paramedics aren't really subject to same implications as Dr's. Nor the potential repercussions afterwards. The paperwork involved during such incidents is very indepth (speaking from wife's experience on 3rd party carrier- 4 separate collapses on same flight!)

However it would be a rare occurrence when that individual wouldn't stand up where a life is under threat. But that may not become visible till that specific time arises..

9 times out of ten Dr.'s won't publish their title to the carrier, unless Dr in advanced socio-economic history of the Sudan or something equally academic & non medical.

As a Dr in something academic and non medical I can assure you all that I never, ever, use my title when travelling. So there's no risk of you finding me looming over you with a sharp implement and a confused expression....

9 times out of ten Dr.'s won't publish their title to the carrier, unless Dr in advanced socio-economic history of the Sudan or something equally academic & non medical.

As a Dr in something academic and non medical I can assure you all that I never, ever, use my title when travelling. So there's no risk of you finding me looming over you with a sharp implement and a confused expression....

Discussing the socio-political struggles in the Eastern Sahara on the otherhand.....

9 times out of ten Dr.'s won't publish their title to the carrier, unless Dr in advanced socio-economic history of the Sudan or something equally academic & non medical.

As a Dr in something academic and non medical I can assure you all that I never, ever, use my title when travelling. So there's no risk of you finding me looming over you with a sharp implement and a confused expression....

Discussing the socio-political struggles in the Eastern Sahara on the otherhand.....

Actually, the social and economic regeneration of Hebden Bridge..and I'd probably still have a confused expression :w

An updated story on BBC this afternoon, including a statement from VS:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-17788627

Still subject to AAIB investigation and report.

Unless there is a specific safety issue that needs to be urgently reported (and there doesn't appear to be) this should be covered in the standard AAIB monthly bulletin in about 6-12 months time. I'm not sure if they'll classify it as an accident or a serious incident, depends on the damage.

Looks like everything back to normal, the jumbo penciled in for GLA-MCO has been stood down and G-VKSS operating VS71 today, G-VSXY operating MAN-MCO VS75.

Here's a question then: if a passenger who hesitates at the top of the slide is physically pushed down by cabin crew, only to - say - break a leg at the bottom, could they sue the airline or the crew member for assault?

Clearly the defence would be that it was necessary to try and preserve lives, but these are litigious times we live in and if someone ended up unable to work because of their injuries, would they have a case?

No. No defence would be needed as it's not assault. Assault is any act which intentionally or recklessly, causes another person to apprehend immediate and unlawful personal violence.

If someone is blocking an emergency exit on the aircraft, the act of pushing that person down the slide is not reckless (it is necessary to preserve life), nor was the intent there to use violence.

Even if it turns out the aircraft was fine and it was a faulty detector, it is irrelevant as long as the crew had an 'honestly held belief' at the time that there was imminent danger to life and limb.

All passengers received the standard hotels etc plus a free flight voucher, it seems for anywhere in the world within the same class:

http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/new ... 75826.html