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#848905 by simonallardice
19 Jun 2013, 21:55
So, UA have announced that they are following DL's lead of introducing a minimum spend requirement for attaining elite status as of Jan 2014. Do you think it's a good thing? It'll certainly weed out a few elites, of which both DL and UA have too many.

Do you think VS should follow suit, esp now they have LR?

Details: http://thebat-sf.com/2013/06/18/big-changes-for-united-mileageplus-members/
#848909 by tontybear
19 Jun 2013, 22:16
US airlines have always (it seams) too many top tier elite flyers which causes some problems - look at the UA and DL pages on flyer talk for example and there are regular 'my upgrade was stolen' threads.

Didn't VS adjust the TPs needed a couple of years ago to get to and retain AG and AU ?

I've not done any calculations on how much it would cost to gain AG and AU on LR as opposed to mainline VS but I would assume that VS are monitoring things.

I guess they might make some changes once the JV comes into practical implementation. What they are I have no idea but I could easily imagine some increase in the number of TPs needed to gain and retain.

After all does making 4 UC flights a year really make you a frequent flyer enough to get AU compared to 20 returns on LR?
#848989 by at240
20 Jun 2013, 14:04
I think the 40TP for Gold is about right, if you look at comparable tiers elsewhere. I'm not convinced that the LR TP situation is sensible, though -- perhaps there should be a minimum level of VS long-haul TPs required for status. Or introduce half TPs -- it's just silly that you can earn 4 by flying to HKG and back, or 2 by zipping up to MAN for the day ... :)
#849008 by simonallardice
20 Jun 2013, 17:37
at240 wrote:I think the 40TP for Gold is about right, if you look at comparable tiers elsewhere. I'm not convinced that the LR TP situation is sensible, though -- perhaps there should be a minimum level of VS long-haul TPs required for status. Or introduce half TPs -- it's just silly that you can earn 4 by flying to HKG and back, or 2 by zipping up to MAN for the day ... :)


Yeah, I would say that's fair to include the minimum trips. I was a little peeved when I first got the email from United, but the more I think about it, the more I think it's probably fair enough. I agree that the tier points level for Au is fine, but I can't see them allowing such easy tier point accrual on LR forever.
#849012 by ratechaser
20 Jun 2013, 18:24
As I've said before, I firmly believe that VS's TP system is not granular enough to work for a short haul network. Even before LR came on the scene though, the fact that you'd earn equivalent TPs for a (relative) hop to DXB, as you would to NRT was pretty questionable. But LR certainly takes it a step furter, in that you could - if the mood really took you - get AU with pretty minimal spend.

Of course, it can be good for yields on a new route, but you have to think that there's only so long that it will be allowed to continue like this. Not really a fan of revenue based status (although it wouldn't exactly hurt me...), but no reason why this couldn't indirectly be achieved through redenominating the TP system.
#849016 by simonallardice
20 Jun 2013, 18:36
ratechaser wrote:As I've said before, I firmly believe that VS's TP system is not granular enough to work for a short haul network. Even before LR came on the scene though, the fact that you'd earn equivalent TPs for a (relative) hop to DXB, as you would to NRT was pretty questionable. But LR certainly takes it a step furter, in that you could - if the mood really took you - get AU with pretty minimal spend.

Of course, it can be good for yields on a new route, but you have to think that there's only so long that it will be allowed to continue like this. Not really a fan of revenue based status (although it wouldn't exactly hurt me...), but no reason why this couldn't indirectly be achieved through redenominating the TP system.


Yep, I think you right. Being based in San Francisco, if I really wanted too, I reckon you could get Au with VS for less than $3,000 by doing short hops on VX when they inititably drop their pants every month on pricing. Add LR to that equation and I think it's a bit broken, if you look at Ag's with UA, the only one's hurt by the new minimum spend are probably those who do mileage runs when the opportunity present...I'd imagine, it would be hard to fly 100,000 miles for 1K and not spend $10,000 - the only thing I think they've done, which is bad, is to not recognise revenue with JV partners flying transatlantic...i.e, if you fly AC or LH across the pond, you just as well be flying UA from a revenue point of view as they split it all. That said, if you're doing all your flying with AC or LH, then it would likely be prudent to join their own schemes.

UA's timing leaves a lot to be desired, but I get why they're doing it.
#849027 by joeyc
20 Jun 2013, 19:37
ratechaser wrote:As I've said before, I firmly believe that VS's TP system is not granular enough to work for a short haul network. Even before LR came on the scene though, the fact that you'd earn equivalent TPs for a (relative) hop to DXB, as you would to NRT was pretty questionable. But LR certainly takes it a step furter, in that you could - if the mood really took you - get AU with pretty minimal spend.

Of course, it can be good for yields on a new route, but you have to think that there's only so long that it will be allowed to continue like this. Not really a fan of revenue based status (although it wouldn't exactly hurt me...), but no reason why this couldn't indirectly be achieved through redenominating the TP system.


Agreed fully. Redenomination of the VS TP system may very well develop in time, perhaps with the expansion of LR...

Onto the OP, good thing for some in that it will make the lounges and reward flights more accessible ;) It is a sound business move, in my view, from the perspective of the airlines. It ensures that their top flyers that take the most out of the company also put into the airline in the first place. That being said it does put a fairly public price on loyalty.... :?
#849038 by CHill710
20 Jun 2013, 21:21
Putting flying club against flying blue you need 15 flights to get silver with AF/KL or 30000 miles.
15 AF hops to Paris or KL flights to AMS would be the same as the 15 LR flights needed for VS silver

Flying blue gold takes 30 flights or platinum for 60 flights
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