discrimination

Ok now i have sat back and seen People's comment's but i'm gonna throw this at you, i am one of those people who is dyslexic and also a "Mod" i have had discussions with Decker about how to tackle getting around to asking if some one if the have difficulties in spelling or grammar, but it is hard as you don't want to offend someone buy asking as it can be sensitive to some.

For me if i have to write a long post i use Word and yes it is a big help, it's not hard and take's a couple of seconds to cut and paste.

So let's now get back to what we do best and talk about "VS" sorry Virgin Atlantic;):D

[Scrooge]

Wow,you could say I was more than a little shocked to see a topic labeled discrimination when I logged in a while back thinking,oh lord Maliwhat's his name is back,however this thread has shocked me even more.

As I am unsure of the law's in the UK re: discrimination I will not say what I think about your original statement,however I would like to say a couple of things.

I am not dyslexic,some may be shocked by this due to the fact that I must rank as one of the worst spellers in the short history of V-Flyer.

I too got PM's from mod's asking me to take a look at a post or letting me know they had corrected a word that I had murdered.

I now use the spell checker religiously,take a look at my signature,also look at Deckers.

This is a fun group,yes even Decker is a fun guy,take a deep breath and enjoy the site,use the spell checker or the MS word option that was suggested above (I hadn't thought of that [y]),that goes for everyone,myself included.

Dave

Originally posted by jetwet1
Wow,you could say I was more than a little shocked to see a topic labeled discrimination when I logged in a while back thinking,oh lord Maliwhat's his name is back,however this thread has shocked me even more.

As I am unsure of the law's in the UK re: discrimination I will not say what I think about your original statement,however I would like to say a couple of things.

I am not dyslexic,some may be shocked by this due to the fact that I must rank as one of the worst spellers in the short history of V-Flyer.

I too got PM's from mod's asking me to take a look at a post or letting me know they had corrected a word that I had murdered.

I now use the spell checker religiously,take a look at my signature,also look at Deckers.

This is a fun group,yes even Decker is a fun guy,take a deep breath and enjoy the site,use the spell checker or the MS word option that was suggested above (I hadn't thought of that [y]),that goes for everyone,myself included.

Dave

The spell checker only highlights your spelling errors. If you can not spell its no use as it does not give you the correct spelling.

I use word then spell check and then copy and paste. But being dyslexic even this methods has its limitations for dyslexic people for the reasons I have outlined in my first post on this topic.

This group is a fun group as you say and I hold no further grudge with Decker, but I still donÕt think the first and second private message I received from the Mod was tactful and I can see why divemaster started this topic as he felt totally angered by the mod's communications.

I also think it is unfair and discriminatory to have to disclose to the moderators that you are dyslexic. After all you don't have too disclose if you are any of the below.

1. A member of the opposition, (The Dark Side)
2. A member of the management team at V-S who disguises their identity.
3. Suffer from a specific Language impairment
4. Or suffer any other dysfunction of the magno cells.
Etc Etc

Not all dyslexic's are bad spellers and not all bad spellers are dyslexic.

But anyway I have no problems in continuing to post on this site using the methods that I have adopted over the last 36 years to cope with the incomprehensible complexity of the English language that is a direct result of my dyslexia.

I will add though that if there are dyslexic mod's they should be able to pick out other dyslexic members and not have any need to send rude demeaning private messages highlighting spelling and grammatical errors.

Cheers Wayne

I am not dyslexic, just thick so please excuse my bad english.

Originally posted by jerseyboy


I will add though that if there are dyslexic mod's they should be able to pick out other dyslexic members and not have any need to send rude demeaning private messages highlighting spelling and grammatical errors.

Not as easy as you say, you of all people should know that there are various level's of dyslexia, and it makes it hard for other dyslexic's to pick up on mistakes that other's make, so there is a need for people like Decker to keep thing's in line, yes we could be more tact full and that's one of the thing's were working on.

Originally posted by pegitt

Originally posted by jerseyboy


I will add though that if there are dyslexic mod's they should be able to pick out other dyslexic members and not have any need to send rude demeaning private messages highlighting spelling and grammatical errors.

Not as easy as you say, you of all people should know that there are various level's of dyslexia, and it makes it hard for other dyslexic's to pick up on mistakes that other's make, so there is a need for people like Decker to keep thing's in line, yes we could be more tact full and that's one of the thing's were working on.

Well if a non dyslexic Mod brings a post to the attention of a Dyslexic mod and the dyslexic mod does not find any problems with it then thatÕs a start I am sure.

cheers Wayne

Good point, but how do we know if that person has dyslexia or is just lazy at spelling, also how do you sudjest we approach that person?

Originally posted by pegitt
Good point, but how do we know if that person has dyslexia or is just lazy at spelling, also how do you sudjest we approach that person?

Phil read the link i posted and all will be a bit clearer

[Pete]

Just to set the record straight, my original goal in setting posting standards for the forum was not to exclude anybody, but to maintain a level of written communication which can be easily understood by all. Bearing in mind that English is not the first language for all visitors to V-Flyer, clarity is important.

There is a clear difference between dyslexia and laziness. Personally I hate having to read TXT SPK on a forum. Unless you're posting from a mobile phone handset (and it's not recommended, since the forum isn't designed for that kind of screen or bandwidth), there is no need for such excessive abbreviation. "C U L8er M8" means very little to me, and has bugger all to do with dyslexia.

One thing to bear in mind is that a lack of care or attention in a post (especially when posting a request for information) is frequently likely to be met with the same kind of answer. If someone can't be bothered to search, use the spellchecker or even attempt to form a sentence, I'm not sure I can be bothered to respond.

Pete

Originally posted by pixuk


there is no need for such excessive abbreviation. "C U L8er M8" means very little to me, and has bugger all to do with dyslexia.

Pete

Ouch pete

[preiffer]

Not ouch at all, Wayne. Fact.

Someone's response is more often than not determined by the tone/manner of the person asking.

If someone simply can't be bothered to construct a question/comment in an understandable manner, why would you feel compelled to respond in a meaningful way?

Agreed, there are instances where this is not always possible given someone's personal limitations, but the use of text "speak" is one fine example of a scenario where I simply can't be bothered to reply.

I think Pete - who set up and owns the site - has made the situation perfectly clear - and the key point he made is that "clarity is important" It makes the Original post easy to understand and the poster is more likely to get some credible replies.

If we know that we personally are poor at typing/spelling or grammar then the advice above to use word or similar is good to take. Especially in longer posts.

Im sure we will all still make mistakes and not punctuate or over punctuate or mis-spell or whatever - but I dont think anyone is going to take umbrage at that - after all this is a site about Virgin Atlantic and all things associated not a degree course in English Language.

So if someone makes a a "pigs ear" of a post then that should be pointed out to them politely in a PM and perhaps some help given to show them how to do things better - remember the old adage - "teach a man to fish and you feed him for life" And I think this is particularly important for new members as they do not know the people here and they do not necessarily know the correct way to do things - I was "advised " on a number of occasions in the early days but I guess I just smiled and got on with it - taking the advice on board ( I hope you mods will agree?)

Originally posted by preiffer
Not ouch at all, Wayne. Fact.

Someone's response is more often than not determined by the tone/manner of the person asking.

If someone simply can't be bothered to construct a question/comment in an understandable manner, why would you feel compelled to respond in a meaningful way?

Agreed, there are instances where this is not always possible given someone's personal limitations, but the use of text "speak" is one fine example of a scenario where I simply can't be bothered to reply.

My ouch was in ref to the inclusion of the words bugger all to do with dyslexia.

Originally posted by jerseyboy
My ouch was in ref to the inclusion.......

As we are all in learning mode at the moment - you can always respond with a quote and delete the bits you dont need to refer to - as above - otherwise I agree with Paul - your "ouch" looks like it refers to the whole of Pete's post!

Originally posted by MarkJ

Originally posted by jerseyboy
My ouch was in ref to the inclusion.......

As we are all in learning mode at the moment - you can always respond with a quote and delete the bits you dont need to refer to - as above - otherwise I agree with Paul - your "ouch" looks like it refers to the whole of Pete's post!

Sorry for that I did not correctly clarify my position.

As we are all in learning mode at the moment - you can always respond with a quote and delete the bits you don't need to refer to - as above
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Thanks for that one i did not know you could do that.

Cheers Wayne

I like to stay out of contentious topics, and this could be one of those. However, in for a penny, in for a pound ...

Language, sentence construction, grammar and spelling are things some take for granted and others find very difficult. Additionally, these things can be dictated by style and fashion (e.g. mobile phone TXT talk) as well as old standard rules. I, like many, find poorly spelt and constructed posts difficult to read and appreciate. However I would never presume to tell others how to write (unless asked), nor would I assume any high ground as to whether a deficiency in writing style is an effect of dyslexia, or lack of access to good education, or whether English is a posterÕs second or third language, or another reason. I simply try to understand and if I wish to respond, do so in my own style. This comes from one who for several years ran the internal copy-editing team of BritainÕs best-known publisher - and I still make many mistakes!

While I agree that the use of TXT, and all such like, is reprehensible, it is how many communicate - shouldn't we switch hats and think about trying to understand this, rather than automatically presuming some other poor habit?

Given all that, I donÕt make the rules or set the standards, and try to abide by those that apply; so bow humbly to pegitt and others who try to create a benchmark for the site.

(already edited for a mistake
[B)])

Originally posted by pegitt
Good point, but how do we know if that person has dyslexia or is just lazy at spelling, also how do you sudjest we approach that person?

Hi ive looked at one of your post this morning and ive just look at this one.

After a good hard long think there is such a thing as the word Diplomacy its the art of knowing when to... (and im not being rude ok)
keep ones mouth shut!!

Now im 37 years old and i learned Diplomacy when i was 13years old.
so id now like to answer your question if im may which is....... [quote] also how do you sudjest we approach that person?

The answer is YOU DONT!!

very kind regards

martin

and please feel free forward this on to the other mods

Originally posted by slinky09
I like to stay out of contentious topics, and this could be one of those. However, in for a penny, in for a pound ...

This is about the best post I have seen yet on this topic. My hat goes of to you Slinky. ItÕs this type of approach and personality that allows people like myself to flourish.

Cheers Wayne

Originally posted by divemaster

Originally posted by pegitt
Good point, but how do we know if that person has dyslexia or is just lazy at spelling, also how do you sudjest we approach that person?

Hi ive looked at one of your post this morning and ive just look at this one.

After a good hard long think there is such a thing as the word Diplomacy its the art of knowing when to... (and im not being rude ok)
keep ones mouth shut!!

Now im 37 years old and i learned Diplomacy when i was 13years old.
so id now like to answer your question if im may which is.......

also how do you sudjest we approach that person?

The answer is YOU DONT!!


and please feel free forward this on to the other mods

Thank's for answering my question, sometime's you have to ask people question's that they may not want to answer but that's life, i had aimed that at jerseyboy and since we have been able to cover some ground via PM on the subject, so on that note i feel that the topic should be locked as we will only end up going around in circles.

[ChuckC]

Thanks to everyone for an informative discussion. We've all learned from this discourse and indeed it is gratifying to see many members taking the time to participate.

Before closing the topic, a summary of what we learned is appropriate. As our founder Pete has said "clarity is important" in posting. We all share in this responsibility. For the benefit of everyone who reads our words we must speak plainly, without "text speak", utilising punctuation, capitalisation and other basics of the English language.

That said, we don't expect perfection; errors that don't seriously detract from the reader's understanding of our words, or which are otherwise minor, have not and will not be subject to mod edits so long as the poster follows the posting etiquette Pete has established for V-Flyer.

V-Flyer is home to an eclectic, energetic group of people with common interests of travel in general, and Virgin Atlantic in particular. All may be assured that our all-volunteer mod team is totally committed to helping keep V-Flyer an inclusive, welcoming site and that we will contiune to appreciate suggestions for improvement.

To avoid duplication this topic is now locked. We hope our members will continue to post your suggestions in this Forum where we maintain an ongoing list of the input received from members.

Best regards to all,
Chuck-