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#12823 by Crystallover
16 May 2006, 18:37
Please bear with me, this is my first post.:)
In March we booked our 3rd package holiday with VH and therfore qualify for frequent virgins status. Prior to that we also booked flights through Virgin although we booked the hotel independantly.
We have each time stayed at the same hotel in Anaheim as we love it so much there. We (up until now) would also not consider travelling with anyone else other than Virgin but are seriously considering using another company in the future and would appreciate your advice/thoughts.
This holiday in August is for my sons 18th birthday, we informed VH of that when we booked in March. On 3rd May, some 6 weeks later, we had a phone call to say that the hotel we had booked into were refusing to accept any bookings and that we would need to go to another hotel. We queried this as by looking at the hotels own website there appeared to be accomodation available for the dates of our holiday. My husband even called the hotel direct to confirm that what we were seeing on the website was indeed true and we were told by the hotel manager that VH had oversold their allocation and had been specifically told not to sell any more holidays.
We relayed this info to VH and asked them to make sure we were booked into the hotel that we had chosen, had been to three times before for which we had paid our deposit and received written conformation and for which we knew there was available accomodation.
To cut a long story short, we received a call the following day to say the hotel HAD agreed to take our booking but that VH were waiting for written confirmation and would forward us a copy of the e-mail when it was received. Two days later we had heard nothing and so (again) I called VH only to be told that we were not in fact booked into our hotel!!! I have to wonder if I had not picked up a phone when VH would have got in touch to let me know?
Adding insult to injury the following day we received our welcome package from Frequent Virgins the next day......if you also have received it you will know that on the box it arrives in it says 'Are you ready for some special service?'.........this just felt like a slap in the face.
It took a further week of waiting and endless phone calls before we knew for sure that we had indeed been booked into our original choice hotel. VH will tell you there have been 'contractual issues'. The hotel tell us that Virgin oversold their allocation and always knew that. We are just the customer stuck in the middle.
We have suggested to VH that as this is for a special occasion and that they kept us waiting for over a week before letting us know that the matter was resolved, the fact that WE had to make several international calls to the hotel ourselves to check on availability etc and that we often had either wrong information given or were promised return phone calls by VH that never came.....that VH ought to be looking at free upgrades. They have today told us that they will not consider this but as a 'gesture of goodwill' they put us back into the hotel we had originally booked into.........a gesture of goodwill!!!! I told them what we thought of that so they then offered me £10 per person to go out for a meal and I again told them that I thought this was an insult after the way they have messed us about.
I have been at the airport when they are overbooked and they have no hesitation in offering free flights plus accomodation costs to anyone prepared to travel on a later flight so in comparison I don't think my request for upgrades is unreasonable do you?
Can anyone suggest the best person to contact? We are fully prepared to put this in writing to Richard Branson if necessary. My husband said to VH today that we accept that everyone makes mistakes (and in this case we are clearly the victims of an issue between the hotel and VH) but that it is the way you handle the issue afterwards and do what you can to make sure that the customer goes away satisfied, at this rate we would never book with Virgin again.
#118136 by jaguarpig
16 May 2006, 20:37
I have been at the airport when they are overbooked and they have no hesitation in offering free flights plus accomodation costs to anyone prepared to travel on a later flight so in comparison I don't think my request for upgrades is unreasonable do you?


Virgin Holidays and Virgin Atlantic are totally separate companies. What you refer to above is if Virgin Atlantic have overbooked,or an aircraft has gone tech, a 50k miles select voucher and meals accomodation depending on the length of delay entirely possible.

For a VH booking cock-up which seems to have been resolved before travel, even though with a lot of hassle, I don't think you are going to get much change.Sorry.
#118137 by RichardMannion
16 May 2006, 20:44
Hi,

First of all, welcome to V-Flyer.

On to your issue you've detailed - I would say if you are not happy, then put the chronological list of events down constructively in a letter or e-mail and send them off to Virgin Holidays customer relations.

To set your expectations though, I seriously doubt that they will give you what you want - and to be fair why shoudl they give you upgrades for your party? The actual value of the upgrades is high, and whilst I see the mistake I wouldn't associate a value this high with the mistake. The reference of people being given free flights is not a comparitve one, this is not the everyday normal. The compensation for having to go on a later flight/date does vary and it is somewhat rare to be fair. Your issue is much in the future and it has now being corrected (I appreciate that it is with your interaction that this has been achieved). Margins are tight on holidays nowadays given the vast array of competiotion and the ease to find multiple providers online - the fact that they have offerd cash upfront (although its deemed small) is unusual really. Normally the incentive would be a discount off a future holiday. Personally I wouldn't try and put any emphasis on it being your son's 18th birthday - lots of holidays are booked as special events and the perspective offers little traction to be honest; hence why Virgin put the disclaimer text in around handling special requests.

There is another perspectove from Virgin's side of how things work inside, how block bookings are made etc with each of the hotels and contracts etc. First I have heard of a hotel refusing to take a booking from a leading travel operator - it puts the hotel in dangerous ground when it comes to the following year, upset the big travel ops and you're unlikely (as a hotel) to be in favour for future travel brochures. There is lots of competition for hotels in Anaheim, and I think some hotels would kill to feature in the VHols brochures given the market share etc. I've witnessed this fist hand, I've tried to book a trip to Anaheim myself and the VH block allocation was sold out, but I could see that the hotel had plenty of availability. FVC went back to the hotel who wer eonly too plesaed to make another room avaialbe to the block for me to use.

Sorry if this isn't the answer you expected, but I think that asking for (expensive) upgrades for an issue that has been resolved beforehand is maybe asking too much.

Thanks,
Richard
#118242 by catsilversword
17 May 2006, 06:55
Seems there is too much negative stuff going on about VH. I realise we're more likely to hear about the bad than the good, but surely it's something Virgin should be addressing? It really is only one short hop from being a disgruntled customer to being a customer who goes elsewhere.
#118289 by Pete
17 May 2006, 14:05
Originally posted by catsilversword
Seems there is too much negative stuff going on about VH. I realise we're more likely to hear about the bad than the good, but surely it's something Virgin should be addressing? It really is only one short hop from being a disgruntled customer to being a customer who goes elsewhere.


To be fair, Claire, I think the situation has been improving. There was a spate of complaints raised on here some months ago, but they seem to have been more proactive in addressing them. An isolated mistake like the one above isn't necessarily indicative that rot has set in, and given the reach of V-Flyer these days, I think we're always going to occassionally hear of problems with VH, VS and even bmi ;). As you say, we're more likely to hear about the bad than the good.

To address the original poster's message, it looks like the nub of your question is who is the best person to contact to get a free upgrade? As Richard has suggested, that's possibly a little out of proportion to the now-resolved issue; but as you are now a Frequent Virgin, you can use the number on your membership card to discuss your issue. Good luck, happy birthday to your son, and have a great holiday.

Pete
#118303 by easygoingeezer
17 May 2006, 17:17
Having said that pixuk I have taken 5 consecutive VH holidays and the
service has been basically crap and a bit more crap each time.

Last Nov I complained to Vh that there was no one at the baggage claim
or to see if arriving passengers needed help.

I got a rather snotty reply telling me that miers had informed them that I had received my transfer and was well looked after.

Truth was I had booked a dixie limo and even stated that as my alternative mode of travel on my original booking.

Basically they lied to me in order to fob me off, there was no way Miers could have told them anything.

I think sometimes they are so worried that people are after a freebie (sp) with their complaints that they lose sight of loyal customers who are just expressing dissatisfaction and don't really want anything.
#119230 by thejoose
23 May 2006, 13:39
I have had some problems with a recent booking with Virgin but the customer services team where amazing in dealing my issues - put an email together detail events and send it to them - you might be pleasently surprised
#119389 by catsilversword
24 May 2006, 06:57
Much of this dissatisfaction is linked to their CS in India, I assume? It's been a few years since I took a VH and there were a couple of initial problems with the booking - their costings were wrong. I did get it rectified fairly quickly, but at the time, CS was still UK-based. I'm not racist in any way, shape or form, but it does seem that moving these services to another country has simply embraced a whole raft of issues.[:0]
#120436 by Alan
31 May 2006, 16:14
I know first hand how upsetting and frustrating it is when holiday bookings don't go as planned. With ref. to the upgrades, VH holidays have a limited number of seats that they can sale on behalf of the airline, these seats are very expensive. I think you will just have to except that this is not going to happen. You do however need to be compensated, what you have so far been offered is pathetic to say the least.

One thought, does the hotel have room upgrades? You should be able to see this from the brochure or on the hotels web site, then check with the hotel to see if these rooms are available. Write to Virgin asking if they will upgrade your room as a gesture of goodwill. I think this would be a reasonable request and it would be hard for them to say no after all they want you to come back and the chances are you will if they say sorry and give you a nicer room.

Good luck!
#120445 by oxmatt
31 May 2006, 17:07
To be honest the only error I can see is that Virgin originally oversold their allocation and were willing to take your original booking. They then informed you that there was a problem with this in good time and offered you an alternative. I would have thought that the VH terms and conditions will explicitly state that they can replace hotels with another of equal or higher quality or something along those lines. It is likely that VH can often negotiate extra allocations in these scenarios however in this event for some reason the hotel was unwilling to extend the allocation.

Fundamentally once the hotel said that they would not offer VH any more rooms there was nothing else VH could do with regards to getting you into that hotel short of cancelling someone elses hotel booking or offering the hotel full rack rate which is likely to be considerably higher than the rate you are paying.

Flight upgrades are very expensive and I would not have thought would be fully justified in this case. Room upgrades or something such as free transfers/park tickets/clubhouse access or something like that would have been a suitable "goodwill gesture". The only real complaint that you have is the lack of assistance from customer service in terms of dealing with your situation - not really that there was anything fundamentally wrong - i.e. any form of compensation would be (as they stated) a "goodwill gesture" rather than as a partial refund or damages. I would have thought that a more suitable compensation would have been a significant future booking discount. As you have said everyone makes mistakes and given the margin that they probably make on each holiday you can't really expect them to give away the value of the margin on several repeat bookings when there is a good chance that you won't rebook again anyway.

We had something similar happen on a trip to Canada (not with VH!) when our booking in the Fairmont Banff Springs was replaced by the Rimrock resort which we were initially upset by. In the end when we truned up to the hotel we had been allocated pretty much the largest room in the hotel.
#123365 by toto
18 Jun 2006, 22:30
The answer is never book with Virgin Holidays again. Book the flights with Virgin Atlantic and the hotel via phone or the web.
VH is just another Air tours, 1st choice etc. and does not offer the same class of service as their big sister. It also uses a call center based in India where English isn't spoken as a first language.

{Moderator edit - Sailor 99 - reference to English not being spoken in India corrected to read English not spoken as a first language, which is better rooted in fact}
#123368 by preiffer
18 Jun 2006, 22:34
Somewhat emotive response there, toto... [:?]
#123372 by toto
18 Jun 2006, 22:36
All too true. Read my "Hard nose Virgin" I for one will not book with VH again and if I can convince one other person then good. Better sevice and civility can be had elsewhere.
Originally posted by catsilversword
Seems there is too much negative stuff going on about VH. I realise we're more likely to hear about the bad than the good, but surely it's something Virgin should be addressing? It really is only one short hop from being a disgruntled customer to being a customer who goes elsewhere.
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