Yet another tier points question

Yet another tier points question, I'm afraid, but I'm sure someone here will know the answer which I've failed to work out myself.

I'm currently Silver, and will attain Gold if I earn 10 TPs by end of November. Happily, I have two trips planned before then .

I'm assuming that if I fly Upper for the first of these (in September) that I will turn Gold upon completion of the return leg, and that any TPs earned on my second trip in October will then start to count towards Au renewal for the year afterwards.

However, what happens if I fly PE for the September trip leaving me Ag with, say, 4TPs to go. If I then fly Upper for the second trip (10TPs earned) that'll give me my Au, but are the remaining 6TP effectively lost or in that scenario would they also count towards Au renewal for the year afterwards?

Sorry if it's an obvious question, and thanks in advance for any answers!

If I understand your question, the answer is that your membership year automatically resets when you hit gold and the subsequent trips will reflect in your new membership year and will therefore count towards your TPs for renewal.

It's my understanding that any "spare" TPs are lost once a renewal or upgrade to whichever status occurs.

[Darren Wheeler]

It's my understanding that any "spare" TPs are lost once a renewal or upgrade to whichever status occurs.

Only for Silver to Gold. Red to Silver, all TP's are retained.

If I understand your question, the answer is that your membership year automatically resets when you hit gold and the subsequent trips will reflect in your new membership year and will therefore count towards your TPs for renewal.

It's my understanding that any "spare" TPs are lost once a renewal or upgrade to whichever status occurs.

Only for Silver to Gold. Red to Silver, all TP's are retained.

Thanks for the replies guys, but there seems to be two conflicting answers here! Darren -- are you saying that in either of my hypothetical scenarios I'd loose the "spare" TPs then? ?|

[Darren Wheeler]

Once you hit 40 tier points, all existing points are reset to zero along with any points earned on the qualifying flight. Any points subsequently earned on other flights, including the return portion will accumulate to your renew total.

E.g.
You are on 37 TP's
Your outbound flight earns 5TP's.
You qualify for Gold and the 2 remaining TP's are lost.
Your return flight also earns 5TP's
On completion, you TP balance will be 5. You then need 35 to requalify in 13 months.

[Neil]

Once you hit 40 tier points, all existing points are reset to zero along with any points earned on the qualifying flight. Any points subsequently earned on other flights, including the return portion will accumulate to your renew total.

E.g.
You are on 37 TP's
Your outbound flight earns 5TP's.
You qualify for Gold and the 2 remaining TP's are lost.
Your return flight also earns 5TP's
On completion, you TP balance will be 5. You then need 35 to requalify in 13 months.

Okay, I don't fully understand this, but if the reset when you hit 40, how do you the hit say 60TP for the extra benefits etc?

Surely they only reset after a year?

Once you hit 40 tier points, all existing points are reset to zero along with any points earned on the qualifying flight. Any points subsequently earned on other flights, including the return portion will accumulate to your renew total.

E.g.
You are on 37 TP's
Your outbound flight earns 5TP's.
You qualify for Gold and the 2 remaining TP's are lost.
Your return flight also earns 5TP's
On completion, you TP balance will be 5. You then need 35 to requalify in 13 months.

Thanks. That makes sense and explains things nicely .

Once you hit 40 tier points, all existing points are reset to zero along with any points earned on the qualifying flight. Any points subsequently earned on other flights, including the return portion will accumulate to your renew total.

E.g.
You are on 37 TP's
Your outbound flight earns 5TP's.
You qualify for Gold and the 2 remaining TP's are lost.
Your return flight also earns 5TP's
On completion, you TP balance will be 5. You then need 35 to requalify in 13 months.

Okay, I don't fully understand this, but if the reset when you hit 40, how do you the hit say 60TP for the extra benefits etc?

Surely they only reset after a year?

hmm - or maybe not!!

[honey lamb]

Once you hit 40 tier points, all existing points are reset to zero along with any points earned on the qualifying flight. Any points subsequently earned on other flights, including the return portion will accumulate to your renew total.

E.g.
You are on 37 TP's
Your outbound flight earns 5TP's.
You qualify for Gold and the 2 remaining TP's are lost.
Your return flight also earns 5TP's
On completion, you TP balance will be 5. You then need 35 to requalify in 13 months.

Okay, I don't fully understand this, but if the reset when you hit 40, how do you the hit say 60TP for the extra benefits etc?

Surely they only reset after a year?

Neil, Darren is referring to moving from Silver to Gold and not to renewing Gold. In his example the passenger is Silver with 37 points. He earns 5 and attains Gold but loses two tier points. His year then starts anew and if he attains over 40 as a Gold member they continue to be accrued during that year to the 60+ TP scenario. However if the passenger hits 40 during the year but does not make the magic 60+ those are lost at the end of the year - as once happened to me. :#

What happens if you hit 60?

What happens if you hit 60?

You get a bus pass.

Back to the question, I think Darren is right between Red and Silver and also essentially when renewing Gold, but as people say TPs do accumulate through the year, when you hit 60 you get two clubhouse passes to give to friends, when you hit 80 you get two upgrade vouchers from any fare class to the next cabin, then of course when you hit the magic number you gain the keys to the end of the rainbow.

[Neil]

Once you hit 40 tier points, all existing points are reset to zero along with any points earned on the qualifying flight. Any points subsequently earned on other flights, including the return portion will accumulate to your renew total.

E.g.
You are on 37 TP's
Your outbound flight earns 5TP's.
You qualify for Gold and the 2 remaining TP's are lost.
Your return flight also earns 5TP's
On completion, you TP balance will be 5. You then need 35 to requalify in 13 months.

Okay, I don't fully understand this, but if the reset when you hit 40, how do you the hit say 60TP for the extra benefits etc?

Surely they only reset after a year?

Neil, Darren is referring to moving from Silver to Gold and not to renewing Gold. In his example the passenger is Silver with 37 points. He earns 5 and attains Gold but loses two tier points. His year then starts anew and if he attains over 40 as a Gold member they continue to be accrued during that year to the 60+ TP scenario. However if the passenger hits 40 during the year but does not make the magic 60+ those are lost at the end of the year - as once happened to me. :#

Ah okay,so you can only get the 60/80TP benefits, when you are renewing, and not achieving for the first time, Gold. I guess that is a little annoying if you earn 60 or moreTP's when going from red or silver to gold.

What happens if you hit 60?

You get a bus pass.

Back to the question, I think Darren is right between Red and Silver and also essentially when renewing Gold, but as people say TPs do accumulate through the year, when you hit 60 you get two clubhouse passes to give to friends, when you hit 80 you get two upgrade vouchers from any fare class to the next cabin, then of course when you hit the magic number you gain the keys to the end of the rainbow.

Lol you on fire tonight slinky09
That's hilarious

You do go to zero but only at the end of your membership year - not just when you get to the next level. So you can go from Red to Gold in the same year (not reset to zero when you hit silver).

Interestingly DL allow roll over of status points (miles or whatever they like to call them) into the following year although they do have a wider tier structure than VS. I wouldn't be surprised to see two new 'official' VS levels added at 80 and 120 TP.

ok I know I am over thinking this but that's what happens when you travel alone sometimes !

Ah okay,so you can only get the 60/80TP benefits, when you are renewing, and not achieving for the first time, Gold. I guess that is a little annoying if you earn 60 or moreTP's when going from red or silver to gold.

Yes -- I checked the T&Cs and the 60/80 TP benefits only apply to membership years (i.e. renewal). So you could in theory go from 0 to 80 TPs in (say) 6 months, going from red to gold with your first 40 TPs, but not qualify for the 80 TP upgrade voucher! :0

^^ huh, doesn't seem fair on the face of it does it....

Although it does state "Renew your Gold membership with 80TPs.."

Think of it as a benefit for continued loyalty and also if you go from 0-80 in 6 months then what can be achieved in another 6 months.... I get the feeling the renewal bonus at 80TP will be small fry compared to what is offered post 100TP let alone 160TPs if earning is constant ):