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#921784 by Vegascrazy
24 May 2016, 17:31
Having done a successful ex-EU to Las Vegas last year I booked another one almost straight afterwards, again via Expedia. The first sector was Brussels Airlines (SN) from BRU to LHR, then VS43 LGW to LAS, VS44 LAS to LGW, then a BA flight from LHR to BRU (the day after VS44 arrives back ) as the final sector.

We positioned on BA last Friday lunchtime with an ample 5 hours in Brussels before the SN flight back to LHR. Despite being able to view my booking on the SN website, including selecting Business Class meals, I’d been unable to complete OLCI. Therefore we exited landside so we could go to normal check-in & collect our boarding passes. This is where the nightmare began!

Initially the friendly check-in agent checked we were happy with our seat selection of 2A & 2C to which I confirmed yes, she also confirmed the pre-ordered “gourmet” meals. However she then called over her supervisor, telling us not to worry there was a glitch in the system.

To cut a long story short we were told that unfortunately they would be unable to check us in and issue a boarding pass because the ticket is a 932 prefixed (VS issued) ticket and Brussels Airlines have no interline agreement with Virgin Atlantic!

Our hearts sank and, with desperation in my tone, I showed the printouts of my booking that I’d taken from the SN website (I always print anything I can if I feel it will evidence my booking in case of issues). The supervisor was very polite, and offered empathy, but said (and showed me on her screen) that they have no power to access the ticket, and that’s needed to check passengers in. The wording on the screen was “no interline agreement”.

She said we had no option but to contact out agent Expedia to sort things out. By this time we had moved from the check-in area over to the ticket desk area. Thankfully it was quiet and we had a little area to stand for me to phone Expedia. I got through to an agent in the call centre quickly and explained the sheer urgency of the situation. He was actually quite good but had to constantly put me on hold while he spoke to his supervisor. This was happening on an off for 2 hours and 7 minutes (I dread to think what my mobile bill will be!). The SN supervisor was in the vicinity throughout this time and spoke to the Expedia agent on several occasions, with me passing over my phone each time. She became more & more frustrated with him as he seemed to be saying that SN needed to honour the ticket as the VS/SN interline agreement ended last July and I had booked this ticket last June. She though eventually got him to understand that they physically could not access the booking to check us in!

The Expedia agent then told me he would need to contact VS as they are the ticket issuer. I said “surely you’re the people who need to rectify this, why not just book us on the BA leaving at 19:20 (the original SN was due to depart 21:30). The minutes ticked passed and Steve & I were becoming more & more resigned the to the fact that our holiday was slipping away before our eyes.

Then…..while still on hold with Expedia…I receive this text:

“Hi James, My name is Cxxxxx Hxxxxx, I am the Operational Team Leader at Virgin Atlantic & I am trying to call you with regards to your ticket from BRU to LAS. Are you free for me to call you. Kind regards Cxxxxx”

I immediately ended the call (2 hours and 7 mins by now!) with Expedia and called Cxxxxx on her mobile number. From that point onward I became increasingly more positive by the minute. She explained that the VS/SN interline agreement had indeed ended last year but that Expedia would have been notified by VS so that Expedia could re-book the flights. Given the urgency of the situation (by now there were 50 minutes to go until the BA 19:20 departure) she explained that she’d added two J class seats on the BA flight & asked us to hot foot it through security to catch that flight. She went on to say that she that there would be no issue with our booking (“I’ll fix it!”) given that we would not be flying on the original SN.

At the precise moment I ended the call with VS the lady from SN came out from the office behind the desk and said “James we’re taking you” and handed me two boarding passes for the original SN flight! She said that they felt so sorry for us they’d created a fictitious ticket that would allow us to fly and added “I’ve overridden the rules & will sort it out with Accounts on Monday!” I explained that VS had got us on the BA flight and she said not to worry, just get through security and if you can catch the BA so be it, if not you have the SN to fall back on. I reached out across the counter & shook her hand, along with the gentleman (I think her boss who had authorised things) and said I would be emailing SN with thanks for the lengths she had gone to. Indeed we’d had getting on for three hours of her uninterrupted attention with my phone being passed between Expedia and her!

We got through security fast and down to the BA gate, which was already boarding. I phoned Cxxxxx to say that we had the SN to fall back on and she was the voice of calmness emphasising that she was working until late tonight and whatever flight we took our booking would remain valid saying “no worries I’ll re-synch your booking to remove the BA flight….now get yourself in the lounge & have a drink or two!


As it happened we did not have time to get on the BA flight as the all important ticket number was still “in process” and despite having a PNR the Belgian gate team at BA could not print a boarding pass for us. Cxxxxx even spoke to the agent saying that the number would be forthcoming in 2 minutes but alas they had to close the flight.

No worries we had the SN flight and a choice of two business lounges to relax in for another two hours….so whiled away the time sipping champagne and mopping our brows, reflecting on the ex-EU that nearly never happened!

We got back to LHR fine on SN, despite a delay owing to lack of dispatcher! The flight was good, excellent food and great crew. A restful night at the T4 Hilton and a Tristar Mercedes down to LGW in the morning and a perfect check-in at VS UC check-in. Like last year there was no mention of us having originated in EU!
Onward it was to the delectable Clubhouse followed by a virtually on time VS43 to LAS. As I write this I’m sitting in the clear Palm Springs morning sunshine reflecting back on what, at the time, was a truly horrible experience last Friday!

The fact that we’d been hand luggage only definitely helped. I would never do the ex-EU bit with luggage!

It just goes to show that, despite having full visibility of ones booking on the web sites of all airlines involved, along with checkytrip.com, it goes to show that anything can go wrong! For me I think the learning experience is that next time I may well avoid Expedia and ask VS to book the ex-EU itinerary instead.! Had it not been for VS & SN’s proactive handling of the situation our holiday would not have happened!
#921785 by tontybear
24 May 2016, 17:42
No wonder you two needed a few cocktails!

You are almost (I repeat ALMOST) in Honey Lamb disaster territory here but you know it's a high bar to pass to get on that scale!

I would never have thought to question tickets issued on a single PNR as not being anything other than through tickets.

Enjoy the rest of yor trip to the US and keep posting the cocktail pics!
#921786 by SlimpyJones
24 May 2016, 17:46
Blimey! That was quite an enthralling read... so glad to hear that VS & SN took some major initiative and joined forces to get you through, especially on an ex-EU ticket as well which can always be a touchy subject with airlines.
#921795 by hiljil
24 May 2016, 20:05
Being of a nervous disposition, what happened to you is just the sort of nightmare I always imagined would happen to me if I tried an ex Eu flight ! I am so pleased it all worked out in the end and hope you have a great relaxing time !
#921801 by jfenney
24 May 2016, 21:35
Wow what a tense situation you were in. Glad to see VS the calm of reason and well done to the operator you spoke too :-D
#921802 by honey lamb
24 May 2016, 21:57
Omigod, James! My heart was racing as I read it! Would you/ wouldn't you make it? :eek: Even though I knew you were already in Las Vegas, it didn't stop my heart coming into my mouth!

tontybear wrote:No wonder you two needed a few cocktails!

You are almost (I repeat ALMOST) in Honey Lamb disaster territory here but you know it's a high bar to pass to get on that scale!

Enjoy the rest of yor trip to the US and keep posting the cocktail pics!


I don't know - I think it does warrant a rating on the Honey Lamb Disaster Scale. It was certainly on a par with my severely delayed flight to LHR which could have been cancelled leaving me with no back-up, but which diverted to Luton instead. If SN and VS hadn't both stepped up to the plate, James and Steve would have been in the same dilemma I was nearly in - stuck in a different country to the main flight!

Kudos to both SN and VS for saving the day!
#921806 by TimCrawley
24 May 2016, 22:50
Wow, seriously bad luck on the drama but so pleased you guys found some helpful people in the end and made it to the 43 after all that.

After the PMs about BRU post-bombing I never knew about this to be able to warn you that an interline agreement issue could catch you out, my ex-EU from BRU-LHR-LGW-LAS in March was also Expedia booked, only back in December though, so came as BA/VS combo and I never even noticed the SN options weren't coming up any more as I was far too busy smiling about the price.

Hope the rest of the trip is trouble-free and on the bright side they are hardly likely to give you any grief if you accidentally skip the final LHR-BRU leg coming home :-)
#921810 by mrsw
24 May 2016, 23:10
Oh my goodness! I was breaking out in cold sweats just reading this!! I'm so glad that it did have a happy ending, as I was getting seriously concerned. I do hope that it's only going to be good luck from now -- handy in Vegas I'm sure!
#921812 by Bretty
25 May 2016, 01:26
I'm sitting here in SFO Clubhouse and saw the post title, then when I read the first few lines I felt myself sinking... but thank goodness it all worked out in the end, and well done to VS and SN for stepping up a d going above and beyond to assist you.

Enjoy your trip guys.
#921822 by lilmo
25 May 2016, 07:18
What a horrible start to your trip.

Thank goodness things worked out . Hope your mobile phone bill isn't more than the saving you made by going ex Eu !

Have a good stay.
#921823 by Sealink
25 May 2016, 07:23
Still can't understand how Expedia / SN / VS allowed this to happen to a confirmed, ticketed booking.

Interline agreements come and go but should still be honored.

Stress, mobile bill and inconvenience : throw the book at them!
#921825 by mitchja
25 May 2016, 07:33
I would most definitely be throwing the book (and as already mentioned your mobile phone bill) at Expedia for this one!!

They should have been well aware that VS had terminated their interline agreement with SN and they should have done something about it.

Any ex-EU flight with airlines likes of BA or EI for example are unlikely to be hit by such issues as it's unlikely VS would ever terminate their interline agreement with them.
#921847 by Smid
25 May 2016, 11:52
I guess its the dangers of doing ex-EU's with airlines which don't share the same alliance.... I do wonder if BA on a VS itinerary could throw a spanner into the works, but not VS ex-eu run has been appealling recently...
#921853 by Vegascrazy
25 May 2016, 14:55
Thanks everyone for the replies. Regarding the cost of the calls from my mobile whilst in BRU, I just logged on to my provider Three. I'm stunned!! The total cost of the mega long call to Expedia was only just over £7. It was charged at "National Landline rate" (Expedia's number is 0330). I think recently the cost of calls made when roaming in EU has been capped? I'd been bracing myself for a huge bill :)
#921854 by mitchja
25 May 2016, 16:00
Indeed, the cost of outgoing roaming calls in the EU was dropped to it's final rate on April 30th this year (€0.05 per minute ex VAT) before they all have to be included in allowances (or charged at no more than the domestic rate for PAYG customers) from 15th June 2017.

Details and costs can be here
#921855 by honey lamb
25 May 2016, 16:01
Vegascrazy wrote:Thanks everyone for the replies. Regarding the cost of the calls from my mobile whilst in BRU, I just logged on to my provider Three. I'm stunned!! The total cost of the mega long call to Expedia was only just over £7. It was charged at "National Landline rate" (Expedia's number is 0330). I think recently the cost of calls made when roaming in EU has been capped? I'd been bracing myself for a huge bill :)

Phew! That's a relief! Now go and enjoy the rest of your holiday.
#921888 by fusionblue
26 May 2016, 08:15
That is insane. I'm glad you made it.

My last ex-EU almost ended badly. Except it was the positioning flight. The X26 to take me to Heathrow got jammed up on traffic and took over an hour longer than timetabled to do so meaning i had to run off the bus at Hatton Cross to the tube to get to T5 faster, and arrived at security three minutes before the timetabled departure :-O

Fortunately everything post-security was backed up because the escalators nearest to security were all closed (i dont get why LHR's T2 and T5 makes you go down to departure level creating bottlenecks right after security, where T3 makes you go up after-bag drop preventing that from happening?) and boarding was delayed by 10 minutes.

Lesson learned - when taking the bus, add an hour on top of what you already think is reasonable.
#921908 by Katcool
26 May 2016, 20:06
Wow! Glad you got it all sorted.

I've booked our first ex EU flight for July. We fly BA DUB to LHR and then VS LHR to LAX. We're making our own way to MCO. The remainder of the booking is MCO - MAN with VS and MAN - DUB with Aer Lingus. I'm hoping that this situation wouldn't arise as BA and VS are in the same alllance? Is that correct?

Hope you enjoy the rest of your holiday.
#921909 by gumshoe
26 May 2016, 20:17
No, BA is part of oneworld and VS isn't in an alliance.

However airlines don't need to be in an alliance to have an interline agreement for baggage. BA & VS have an interline agreement so you should be fine. Just make sure when you check in your bags at DUB the BA agent tags them all the way to LAX and double check the tag before your bags disappear down the chute.
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