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#18889 by Wolves27
19 Apr 2007, 10:08
Mandarin Oriental Tokyo
6th - 10th April 2007

Our Recent Tokyo Bitches Tour was a great excuse to try some top class hotels for less (although not as less as KL) than you would in the UK. We all stayed for four nights in the Mandarin Oriental, then after the other five left, myself and Fozzyo moved onto the Park Hyatt.

First stop the MO. Knowing the people that were on the trip I think it was only inevitable that we were going to book into the Mandarin Oriental. Myself, Fozzyo, Lord and Lady Mannion, Mr and Mrs D were all MO whores and we were about to drag James, an MO Virgin, into our appreciation society. It was a journey he wouldn’t regret.

First Impressions on arrival were of efficiency. No soon as our minibus had parked in the enormous foyer area several smartly dressed bellhops approached our van and unloaded the entire luggage and all but personal bags were noted and whisked away. I’ve always found this slightly disconcerting but bags are never lost and indeed delivered to the room with remarkable efficiency. After a brief chat with the clerk on the small ground floor lobby desk we were whisked up to the 38th floor sky lobby to be properly checked in. We had booked a Premier Deluxe Room, which is the same as a Deluxe but on a higher floor. When you’re up in the 30’s anyway making a floor a few floors higher a premium seems a bit pointless (except they can charge more). With my Amex FHR rate we could get an upgrade if available at check in. Unfortunately the hotel was pretty much full so none I’m afraid. Considering we arrived fairly early, rooms were made available for us by about half eleven.

The Room

Very nice, if following the standard for Mandarin Oriental rooms in their newer properties. As the member of staff showed us into the room he pressed all the relevant buttons that made both the curtains and blinds open automatically – always a nice touch, especially when introducing us to the urban sprawl of Tokyo. The room had a small lobby area with a Wardrobe and butler closet (a space to put clothes, newspapers without disturbing guests) and opened up into the main room.
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A long low cupboard ran the length of the room that housed the mini bar, vanity mirror and off it a work desk. Unlike many, even top hotels, there were plenty of plug sockets and tea and coffee making facilities. The mini bar prices too, for a hotel of this calibre, were reasonable. There was the standard box of electronic wires for connecting your various bits of hardware to the TV or sound system. After finding it a breeze in the Landmark in MO, I could not get the Ipod connector to play through the TV here. I know that Mannion-San also had this problem in their room. Our room also had a very nice flat screen HD 37” television. This had the really nice Mandarin Oriental Wisdom CD loaded onto it, ideal for bathtub soaking. One thing we were very impressed with was that the hotel had free WiFi. In such an expense account hotel I’m surprised they offer it – for us plebs though it was great! I know some of the other group had better rooms, corner rooms and suites. I'll let them report on them if they wish.

The Bathroom

I always place great emphasis on bathrooms in luxury hotels, I always need it to be somewhere I can chill and relax in. The bathroom here was nice, but not one of the best. Like many of the “cheaper” rooms in MO’s nowadays they’ll have a window out onto the main room with a shutter (and in this a case a sliding mirror) so you can take full advantage of the view.
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The bath was quite large and wide, ideal for two people and came supplied with bath salts, which turned the water a disconcerting yellow or green colour. The shower had several nozzles, including raindrop, but it was a bit of a gamble which one was going to come on when you turned the tap. For once I preferred the power shower here, not the raindrop. Of course the excellent Aromatherapy Associates toiletries were provided. Pretty much straight after checking in we rang down to housekeeping to get some more sent up – they are my favourites!
The toilet was a work of genius, everything you read about Japanese toilets is true. They have a myriad of controls that warm the seat, wash you from the front, the back and deodorize and oscillate. The only thing it didn’t do was wish you good day when you left.
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Restaurants and Bars

Apart from their French fine dining restaurants I think we sampled all the Food and Beverage outlets. We spent many a nice evening in both the Mandarin Bar and Mandarin Lounge. Both were very comfortable and served pretty much the same drinks. The bar was a bit more buzzy, the lounge a bit more relaxed. Service in both of these was always exemplary with hot towels being provided whenever you arrived and nibbles being topped up as scoffed them. I thought the complimentary nibbles a moreish, but a bit dull – cinnamon flavoured nuts. Would have preferred a selection of things including wasabi peas, like at some other MO’s. I don’t think I had a bad cocktail whilst I was there. I’m surprised how many REALLY good hotels in Asia make quite dull cocktails; this hotel was the exception. Particularly fond of the Caipharina and I know Decker had several Vesper Martinis too. Special mention must be made of the lobby toilets too. Fantastic views when you’re having a slash.
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I’ve covered Molecular Tapas in depth so will leave that. The other meal we had was in the Cantonese restaurant, Sense. This was not so good. The portions were fairly small, the food nice, but I had better in a noodle bar in Shibuya a few days later for a fraction of the price. The menu and pricing structure was also more complicated than it needed to be, with some of us being charged per dish, and some per person. We did complain and this is where the MO really did come into its own.

Service

I believe that the real test of a hotels’ service is not when things go right, but when they go bad. Here was just the case. Decker (politely) complained at length to the duty manager on the night after we felt we had been let down by the meal in Sense. The hotel apologized unreservedly and from here on in staff, right up to the General Manager did their utmost to make up for the lack of service in Sense. We were offered complimentary champagne and free appetizers in Sense’s lounge the following night, we had more complimentary champers with our Tapas meal the following night. At all times I felt like hotel staff were aware of the situation at Sense. The GM would often come and find us in public areas to see if all was alright and he was even down in the foyer to say goodbye to myself and Fozzyo when we were getting the taxi to the Park Hyatt. This professionalism in service filtered down right through manager, to door staff right down to cleaning staff who when we passed in corridors would turn off their vacuum cleaner and bow as we passed. Special praise also goes to the excellent concierge who had been arranging Disney tickets for us before we arrived. The one member of staff in question even went to the Disney Store to buy them on her day off and provided lots of information on the park in a special pack for me. Without doubt the best overall service I have EVER received from a hotel.

On the Tuesday five of the Bitches left early for their train back to Narita and Fozzyo and I left to now try the Park Hyatt. That review to follow.
#168407 by pjh
19 Apr 2007, 11:42
Sigh..so different from the Southampton Hilton...

A view from the urinals.....that is priceless.

I trust the full service lavatories (please don't use the word toilet - so non U and look what it did for poor Kate Middleton) weren't the flammable kind featured in yesterday's Times.

A good read - thanks for putting it together.

Paul
#168445 by Wolves27
19 Apr 2007, 15:20
Park Hyatt Tokyo
10th - 13th April 2007

Our second hotel of the trip was the Park Hyatt, over in Shinjuku. We arrived by taxi and quickly had our bags removed again and whisked off. Just like the Mandarin you enter into a small ground level lobby and are then whisked off up to the 41st floor sky lobby. My only gripe this time was that there was no direction at first and we werenÕt sure where to go. After nearly getting into the wrong lift a member of staff escorted us up to the top and walked us through the hotels various public areas to the quite check in area, towards the back of the hotel. Unlike doing all at a counter, we were invited to sit down at a desk where the efficient member of staff checked us in, sorted out our Narita Express transfers and booked a table in the New York Grill for the last night. You get given actual keys Ð very old school. The initial atmosphere I got from check in was that the Hyatt had the air of a discrete members club more so than a hotel.

We were escorted up to our room on the 43rd floor and as we arrived so did our bags. Bags were placed in the dressing room by the staff and we were left to explore the room.

The Room

Ever so slightly more dated than the MO and probably a little sparser in places but its all minimalist chic I guess. Floor space was a little bit bigger here as we had a separate dressing and luggage room, accessed by the lobby of the room, or through the bathroom. It didnÕt come with quite as much technology as the MO, but it had dimmers on all lights, one thing the MO didnÕt have. Again, electronic curtains, but manual blinds Ð canÕt have everything I guess.
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Again the mini bar prices werenÕt extortionate and there was ample tea and coffee making facilities. Free Internet again, although not WiFi this time Ð is this par for the course for Japanese hotels because it saves a fortune in bills. Each room even had its own library of books. Most were fairly dull (Japanese Ð English dictionary, anyone) but they did have a big atlas of the World that had all the fun sections at the beginning on how the universe was created. Amused me for hours. I think the bed is the comfiest I have EVER slept in, just the right firmness of duvet and the perfect height of pillows. I wanted to take it home but I feel they may have missed it.

The Bathroom

The bathroom was a bit better laid out than the MO and the bathtub, even though a little bit smaller was one of the most comfiest ever, it was ergonomically designed to fit me perfect. With the TV right above the bath I could spend many a night in there watching Fast Track on BBC World.
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The sink and ÒvanityÓ areas were nice and big with plenty of space to spread out all the toiletries IÕve nicked from other hotels. The Park Hyatt uses Aesop branded toiletries. IÕve never heard of these before, theyÕre not a patch on AA but miles better than Gilchrist and Soames. If I had a pound for every time a hotel offered me Gilchrest and SoamesÉ..
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Again, another super loo here. It had all the usual features that IÕve now come to know and love, as well as an air drying (thatÕs air..) mode. Very nice. I want one.
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Restaurants and Bars

Apart from the Lobby Lounge (a poor mans New York Bar) and the Formal Japanese restaurant we tried most of the places to eat and drink. Breakfast was served in Ginarole Italian restaurant, which we got free with the FHR deal (again, no upgrade by the way). It was an efficient affair, and okay, but nothing amazing.

We also went up to the rarefied heights of the New York bar and grill on the 52nd. This is where Bill Marry spent half of his time in Lost in Translation so we were Keen to check it out. We were aware of the 2000 yen cover charge (even for residents) so that wasnÕt a nasty surprise. IÕve been told itÕs a Òmusic chargeÓ as they have a live band every night Ð IÕm sure part of it is also to stop people coming up for one drink, taking a photo and leaving too. This whole area takes up the top floor, with the bar on one side, and that then opening up into the restaurant the other. It was nice and buzzy when we arrived with the band playing the kind of Jazz you only get in hotel bars (and in the film for that matter). It suited the mood perfectly. Service was polite, although no hot towels, and drinks were well made and the bar nibbles were nicer. I got my wasabi beans at last. Sorry for the blurring.
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We also decided to eat in the New York Grill on our last night. We had a fantastic table, in a booth overlooking the whole restaurant. Service was great and water was constantly topped up. The food was excellent, with steaks and the like cooked perfectly and served with plenty of sides (extra cost). It really was a lot of food, so much so all I wanted for dessert was a nice glass of Riesling. Food here is not cheap, but this is, in my words Òpower diningÓ and you pay for that.
My only gripe with the meal was after we had finished we wanted to move into the bar to have post meal drinks. Even after paying a hell of a lot for the meal we were still expected to pay the 2000 yen each music charge. I was explaining to the front of house that weÕve been hearing the music all night in the restaurant and instead of paying the money to move 50 yards we would stay in our (comfy) restaurant seats and stop the table being used for other guests. Front of house could not seem to care less and were not budging on the fee. I can *just* about accept a fee to use the bar, even for residents, but to still want to charge residents this when theyÕve spent all that on a meal in the adjoining restaurant I thought was terrible. As its all very open plan if youÕre sitting in some parts of the restaurant you can see the band anyway. All a bit vague. I was going to complain, but I had used up all my Òwhat would Mannion do?Ó vouchers by getting some money knocked off the spa treatments(1) at the MO at check out.

Pool

The PH also has a pool on the 47th Floor. Yet another thing to spot from ÒLost in TranslationÓ Its not massive and the changing rooms are tiny but the views are massive. If I used it again I would probably come down from our room in my bathrobe Ð IÕve always wanted to do that.

Service

We found the service here too excellent, but a bit less impersonal than the MO. There wasnÕt as quite much bowing and people to greet you when you arrived at the hotel, and the service issue I mentioned previously about the New York Bar annoyed me slightly.

I tried my best, but Bill Murray had booked into a larger room to get a longer shot. The bathroom door was in the way for us.
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As a Quick Summary of both Hotels

Rooms: Mandarin Oriental
Bed: Park Hyatt
Bathrooms: Park Hyatt
Toiletries: Mandarin Oriental
Bars & Restaurants: Mandarin Oriental
Location: Park Hyatt
Value for Money: Equal
Service: Mandarin Oriental

They were both pretty equal, but I think I would just pick the MO over the PH again Ð much of this was to do with the service, which I said was impeccable at the MO. Location was better at the Hyatt with a 10 minute walk (or a free shuttle bus) right into the nightlife centre of Shinjuku. That said the MO had a subway station in the building. Whilst nice, the Bathroom let the MO down a bit, but I saw what some other bathrooms were in Richard and SarahÕs room and that was much nicer.

All in all I want to go back now!!!

Cheers!

Dean


(1) Forgot to mention we had a Spa treatment at the Mandarin. As with all MO spaÕs it was a haven of tranquillity and good design. I particularly liked that the vitality pool and sauna looked out onto the whole of Tokyo.
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When I booked they said mine and MatÕs treatment would be in separate ÒSerenity SuitesÓ. The views from my corner suite were fantastic, but we were both charged over 5000 yen each for these rooms. As no mention was made of this fee when I booked I insisted they knocked that of the final bill.
#168458 by karnsculpture
19 Apr 2007, 16:43
Thankyou, very interesting reviews.

I made enquiries about buying Japanese toilets last year and they are available in the UK but are mainly marketed to the care home and disability markets, and therefore are rather overpriced IMHO.

I think they could really catch on in the UK and tried to talk a few people into going into business importing them for the domestic market but nobody I got in touch with believed it would work. Technology is such a big thing worldwide I just can't understand why otherwise intelligent business people think that they would not sell! You only have to use one on holiday for a week to really want one.

Paul
#168461 by DMetters-Bone
19 Apr 2007, 17:03
They both look FAB! I just know now the OH will want to go even more! Better start saving my pennies! [}:)]

Thanks for the reviews!
#168489 by fozzyo
19 Apr 2007, 20:28
Faab TR!! I would agree with Dean, while the PH has the better location I think the MO beat it on service and facilities, I love our late night drinks in the Mandarin Bar.

One thing to add about the New York Bar ... the toilets there were Mega Super Loos. You walked into the cubicle and the motorised toilet lid lifted up!! You could lift the seat up with the push of a button too. I was there for a few minutes putting both up and down the first time i went.

Mat xxx
#168500 by RichardMannion
19 Apr 2007, 21:03
Originally posted by fozzyo
Faab TR!! I would agree with Dean, while the PH has the better location I think the MO beat it on service and facilities, I love our late night drinks in the Mandarin Bar.

One thing to add about the New York Bar ... the toilets there were Mega Super Loos. You walked into the cubicle and the motorised toilet lid lifted up!! You could lift the seat up with the push of a button too. I was there for a few minutes putting both up and down the first time i went.

Mat xxx


Thanks chaps!

Park Hyatt looks good. I really did enjoy the MO though, I think it has taken the honours as best hotel I've stayed at. Speaking to LadyS, she agrees on her part too.

The service was awesome. For such a premium hotel, I found all of the prices to be lower than I expected. Martini cocktails for £8 is cheap compared to some other hotels! The only thign that is of annoyance is what Dean alluded to is the same across all MO's, is the room upgrade nonsense to a higher category that in reality has no difference at all. We booked the top room category last year so we coudl hope for a suite when we checked in, after soem confusion it was explained that another new room category had been added just above ours at the start of the year. The difference in rate per ngiht was tiny, about £5-10. We did get a suite in the end though after some conversations with AmEx. Can post photos if people like. The corner rooms that we originally booked were extremely nice anyway!

Thanks,
Richard
#168502 by buns
19 Apr 2007, 21:14
Wolves

These places are absolutely fantastic[y][y] I have only ever stayed in a MO once and your Tokyo experience puts that into the shade.

I just cannot gey over the levels of service and attention you all received.

Thanks for bringing the Tokyo tour to life for us all

buns
#168544 by mitchja
20 Apr 2007, 00:19
Great reports thanks Dean [y]

Yes indeed, I'm now an official MO whore here - thanks guys [:w] [y]

Although I should point out that I still like my W's though (as in Starwood W hotels)

Regards
#169056 by Wolves27
24 Apr 2007, 10:17
Originally posted by GrinningJackanapes
Originally posted by Wolves27
cleaning staff who when we passed in corridors would turn off their vacuum cleaner and bow as we passed.


This has been standard practice in my household since I achieved my majority. Nice touch.

GJ


Cheers GJ!
That made me laugh out loud. Who puts the toothpaste on your toothbrush?

Dean
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