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#259044 by Sealink
06 May 2009, 11:25
I have returned from a marathon journey between London and Wick,
northbound on Saturday, southbound on Monday. And what a mixed bag of
TOCs I travelled on... here are some details. This was on a 'Super Off
Peak Return' which used to be called a Saver. Here are my observations, as both a rail fan and as a passenger. Which makes me sound like I have a split personality. To
save you reading, here is the order of company from best to worst.

1. Grand Central
2. First ScotRail
3. National Express East Coast
4. CrossCountry

I will explain my reasons later, here is the Northbound journey.

SATURDAY 02 MAY 2009
LONDON ST. PANCRAS - YORK 0637
This was my planned departure - but due to a miscalculation on my
part, and that fact that East Midlands Trains platforms are in fact located in Camden (;-) or at least, that what it feels like after walking through the station,
missed this train by one minute.

I then attempted to walk from St. Pancras to Kings Cross. A fairly
simple task you might think - walk through the queues trying to check
in for Eurostar and Kings Cross is just across the road. Except that
thanks to the continuing work, and a series of misleading pedestrian
signs, this took a few minutes longer. The railfan in me didn't care,
as a passenger I was annoyed at signs directing me to dead-ends.

So, attempt two to get to Scotland.

SATURDAY 02 MAY 2009
LONDON KINGS CROSS EDINBURGH WAVERLEY 0715
I had given up trying to use another TOC so found myself on NXEC, and
I wanted to pay for Weekend First. There were three staff at one of
the doors and I asked if I could pay a supplement for weekend first
with my ticket (I knew I could, but this being the first InterCity
journey I have made in years that wasn't an Advance ticket just wanted
the clarification).
'Yeah you can' was the answer, and as I walked towards first class the
other staff member barked that I had to go to Coach M. She shouted
this at my back, which was novel.

Coach M was clearly in need of a clean. It smelt of dust, and was in
fact rather dirty. It was also very very warm. Uncomfortably so.
Thankfully, the air-conditioning would kick in shortly after
departure.

I felt the urge to clean the carriage - if NXEC want to cut costs,
cleaning is not where the axe should fall.
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I wasn't impressed, but the railfan in me was determined to give them
a chance. And then the announcements started. When I say
announcements, I mean a series of orders to passengers, which left the
passenger in me in no doubt that I was an inconvenience to the train
crew.
Store your luggage properly! Make sure your ticket is valid on this
train! Don't block the aisles! We only sell full fare tickets! Make
sure you have a ticket! If you're not travelling get off the train!
Watch out for terrorists! (Almost). Like all railway announcements,
there were pauses, repetitions and far too much superfluous drivel.
But no mention of the onboard chef (it was left to one of the First
Class staff to tell me) and no mention of Weekend First surely an
easy revenue stream? Still, no one had their luggage in the way.

The first class attendant offered the usual complimentary drinks and
after pouring my coffee I realised that there was no cutlery provided
so I couldnt even stir the milk in. He disappeared for a while and I
nabbed a spoon from another table.

He returned to tell me about the onboard chef, he could prepare hot
breakfasts like a Full English or a Full Grill but Sorry, we dont
have any menus, I dont know where theyve gone. Funny that.

Despite my unease about the surroundings I decided to try the full
English breakfast, with toast (I didnt realise that the offer of
toast added another 2 to the order Que sera!)
A lady arrived with my toast, again, without cutlery. It was delivered
so quickly that the attendant had gone before I could even ask for a
knife. When the other attendant returned he muttered Oh, didnt she
leave you any cutlery? and went off to get some. While this happened,
another person asked the lady for some cutlery, and her reply Oh,
didnt he leave you any cutlery?. Go teamwork!

This lady returned with a plate and said Full grill while looking at
me. I think she meant Did you order a full grill so I answered I
ordered a full English and she said Thats the same thing and I
thought well why did the other person offer them as two separate
dishes but didnt say anything as its just one of the stupid little
things that I have come to expect on todays railway.

Here is my breakfast:
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I did not feel that 14.99 represented good value.

The second cup of coffee arrived and made me feel actually sick. They
had topped up the coffee jug with tea. No one had any more after that.

TIP Always check your cup before they pour the other two on my
table were dirty.

Compared to my previous breakfast on GNER, in a restaurant car, this
was a disappointment.

The journey was fairly uneventful, I managed to drown out the ongoing
announcements, there was an unfortunate 10 minute delay just outside
Edinburgh or maybe Berwick, due to trespassers on the line, and it
meant that a possible connection to Inverness was missed.

The carriage doesnt look too bad in a certain light:
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SATURDAY 02 MAY
EDINBURGH WAVERLEY to INVERNESS 1335

I have never been a fan of First Group, and I dont think the
improvements they boast about for ScotRail are anything more than
carrying out the instructions of the Scottish parliament, who have a
more proactive approach to railways.

But this journey was actually nice. I paid 5.30 for Weekend First
upgrade (advertised at 5.00 on the National Rail website) and
received complimentary coffee, and shortbread! There was also orange
juice and water and more coffee provided so 5.30 isnt too bad for
a three and a half hour journey. Welcome to Scotland!
The staffer who served me was very pleasant, and the conductor was
nice too, I dont recall anything apart from the lovely scenery on
this line and some very well kept stations.
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First Class, like on National Express had the advantage of power
sockets at the windows however I dont think the seats were that much
better than Standard.
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Arrived at Inverness on time, where there was a half hour wait for the
Wick train.

SATURDAY 02 MAY
INVERNESS WICK 1752
This journey was uneventful there were some boisterous passengers
returning from a day trip in Inverness, but I cant really say more
about this journey as I have made it so often. The train did separate
at Dingwall as a portion departed for Kyle of Lochalsh and I think
this is a recent development.

Snaking across the concourse at Inverness was a queue of about 70
people, waiting to board; the stations on the route have been
smartened up (with the exception of Brora and Invershin which have
been in a sorry state for years) and while not the busiest train I
have been on, it definitely was not transporting air.
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The train was warm (an improvement on previous years), on time, with a
trolley catering service. No first class, but the seat alignment is
much more geared up for sightseeing with a marked increase in table of
four seats compared to other trains I have been on.

I alighted at Georgemas Junction to continue my journey by car one
of the improvements National Express made when they had ScotRail was
to stop the joining/separating of Wick and Thurso trains at Georgemas
Junction. So passengers for Wick have had, for some years, the
additional trip to Thurso, back to Georgemas before going to Wick,
adding about 45 minutes to an already long journey.

After my days travel, this was 45 minutes too much. At 9.30pm, I was 'home'
before the train had even reached Thurso

At 0700am on Monday, I would be boarding for my trip back... where I would experience Cross Country and Grand Central trains...
Last edited by Sealink on 20 Mar 2011, 19:23, edited 2 times in total.
#714173 by DarkAuror
06 May 2009, 12:21
Gosh, what a journey! Thanks for the TR![y]
#714175 by JAT74L
06 May 2009, 12:39
Ah excellent, last time I was there was with two Deltics!

John
#714194 by tontybear
06 May 2009, 14:35
Wow what a trip !

I hate to say it but St Pancras (and King's Cross) have always been in the London Borough of Camden !

Am interested in what your planned route was. Why choose East Midlands to York (changing somewhere else too) over National Express or even Virgin on the East Coast. Was it the mysterious 'engineering works'?
#714204 by Alex V
06 May 2009, 15:00
Great TR liked all the pictures very much, im very fond of visiting the highlands thanks

alex
#714222 by jaguarpig
06 May 2009, 16:41
Thanks loved the report very interesting,looks like NXEC is going down the pan.

quote:last time I was there was with two Deltics!
I can remember my Dad taking me train spotting at Tuxford and the highlight was seeing a Deltic Happy days.
#714227 by McMaddog
06 May 2009, 17:01
quote:Originally posted by jaguarpig
Thanks loved the report very interesting,looks like NXEC is going down the pan.

Isn't that the truth? I've heard whispers that the franchise has collapsed and they're running it on a management contract now.
#714236 by Sealink
06 May 2009, 17:30
quote:Originally posted by tontybear
Wow what a trip !

I hate to say it but St Pancras (and King's Cross) have always been in the London Borough of Camden !

Am interested in what your planned route was. Why choose East Midlands to York (changing somewhere else too) over National Express or even Virgin on the East Coast. Was it the mysterious 'engineering works'?


I was being slightly sarcastic ;) The platforms are miles away from the rest of the station. Quite literally. Miles!

I fancied a change from NXEC, and Virgin had engineering works (even though their website was broadcasting that the WCML works were finished). East Midlands Trains 'Weekend First' is 6 compared to NXEC's 25.00... but I missed the train anyway.

My Southbound report to follow...!
#714242 by JAT74L
06 May 2009, 17:35
quote:Originally posted by jaguarpig
Thanks loved the report very interesting,looks like NXEC is going down the pan.

quote:last time I was there was with two Deltics!
I can remember my Dad taking me train spotting at Tuxford and the highlight was seeing a Deltic Happy days.


The finest machine on steel wheels. 18 cylinders and 36 opposed pistons per Napier 'Deltic' engine and with TWO engines in the actual Deltic Locomotive they are phenomenal. When built (1961) they were the most powerful single unit locomotive in the world (3300hp). What I love about them is that you have to actually DRIVE them properly and if you don't - they will let you know about it!

[|)] Oops sorry!

John
#714298 by iforres1
07 May 2009, 08:03
quote:Originally posted by Sealink

Compared to my previous breakfast on GNER, in a restaurant car, this
was a disappointment.


I used to travel between Motherwell and Newcastle on the GNER twice a week for a while and the Full English breakfast was the highlight of the journey every time. One of the best ever to be serverd outside a five star hotel.

Iain
#714316 by tontybear
07 May 2009, 11:06
Sealink

So was I but failed miserably !

A friend of mine who used to be very senior in Eurostar told me that London & Continental Railways who were given St Pancras as part of the deal to build the high speed link were determined to provide the bare minimum in terms of platforms etc for the domestic services. Apparently they presented theor plans for the 4 platforms to be located in a bare 'box' of a construction to Midland Mainline who had the franchise and were amazed that they Midland Mainline approved the plans. The location was the only place they could actually put it.

Having used the domestic platforms a couple of times it is a very long way from the underground but at least you get to see the fab restoration job of St Pancras as well as the Eurostar Trains.

Looking forward to your return TR
#714321 by Darren Wheeler
07 May 2009, 11:34
Excellent TR, very different.

I know what you mean about the Weekend First not being pushed. If I go to London at a weekend I always use the first class carriage on the FGW expresses. Last time I had the whole carriage to myself and to top it off, no-one collected my fiver. Come to think of it, no-one even checked my ticket...
#714837 by mike-smashing
12 May 2009, 10:01
I'm currently sat on a NXEC train right now, having similar orders barked at me over the tannoy.

The diatribes from the PA system seem to be especially endemic among NXEC train crew, to such an extent that it's got to be something to do with the scripts they are given and trained to deliver by their management. There's got to be some pompous manager behind these announcements, if you ask me.

Though, to be honest, it isn't any more cringeworthy than the 'Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls...' Carry-On style antics I've heard on VS planes.

As far as the dirty trains go, a lot of the muck you highlighted is due to poor industrial design. Whoever designed the carriage interior managed to design in a load of dirt traps. Virgin's UCS is also similarly poorly designed for having a lot tricky to clean dirt traps, which stand in the way of regular cleaning.

Train travel just isn't what it used to be...

Mike
#772051 by Hamster
20 Mar 2011, 20:55
Thanks for the interesting TR :)

Sealink wrote:I have returned from a marathon journey between London and Wick,
northbound on Saturday, southbound on Monday. And what a mixed bag of
TOCs I travelled on... here are some details. This was on a 'Super Off
Peak Return' which used to be called a Saver. Here are my observations, as both a rail fan and as a passenger. Which makes me sound like I have a split personality. To
save you reading, here is the order of company from best to worst.

1. Grand Central
2. First ScotRail
3. National Express East Coast
4. CrossCountry


I want to try Grand Central, good to hear you think it's better that the others.

Sealink wrote:SATURDAY 02 MAY 2009
LONDON ST. PANCRAS - YORK 0637
This was my planned departure - but due to a miscalculation on my
part, and that fact that East Midlands Trains platforms are in fact located in Camden (;-) or at least, that what it feels like after walking through the station,
missed this train by one minute.

I then attempted to walk from St. Pancras to Kings Cross. A fairly
simple task you might think - walk through the queues trying to check
in for Eurostar and Kings Cross is just across the road. Except that
thanks to the continuing work, and a series of misleading pedestrian
signs, this took a few minutes longer. The railfan in me didn't care,
as a passenger I was annoyed at signs directing me to dead-ends.


It has been confusing for ages now, don't know why they can't get it right.
I have been told that the whole signage problems, along with sending people the long way round on the tube, will be sorted out when all the works have been finished.

Sealink wrote:I wasn't impressed, but the railfan in me was determined to give them
a chance. And then the announcements started. When I say
announcements, I mean a series of orders to passengers, which left the
passenger in me in no doubt that I was an inconvenience to the train
crew.
Store your luggage properly! Make sure your ticket is valid on this
train! Don't block the aisles! We only sell full fare tickets! Make
sure you have a ticket! If you're not travelling get off the train!
Watch out for terrorists! (Almost). Like all railway announcements,
there were pauses, repetitions and far too much superfluous drivel.


I think the train crew have found, that this is an effective way of getting their messages across to people who don't want listen or pay attention. They probably have set lines to say and encouraged to make it personal at the same time.

Thanks for posting
#772054 by tontybear
20 Mar 2011, 21:52
I have used Grand Central a few times travelling to/from Eaglescliffe and recommend them highly.
#772055 by Hamster
20 Mar 2011, 22:19
tontybear wrote:I have used Grand Central a few times travelling to/from Eaglescliffe and recommend them highly.


Great! :D
I find Grand Central quite interesting, being an open access operator and not a franchise.
Still need to think of a reason to go north though...
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