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#257680 by ChuckC
16 Jan 2009, 16:58
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And so, after some year and half's absence I once again made my way onboard Virgin Atlantic, on this occasion flying from LAX to London to participate in the V-Flyer 'Post-Christmas Party', begun some years back as a rather fun occasion that has since grown into a very fun occasion. If you've not participated, newbies are certainly welcome and I urge you to join us for next year's party.

Back to the flight. Arriving at LAX I headed to check in at Terminal 2. Virgin's decision of several years back to outsource its ground staff has I imagine come back to haunt them so many times that I will not describe my interaction with the check-in person, that is, other than to say it was a mediocre experience at best. The diminution of Virgin's reputation that is foisted upon us by these rent-a-persons is regretable.

Once through the TSA version of Heathrow's 'shoe carnival' -- rather less entertaining and a totally humo(u)rless affair, it is -- I spent about an hour enjoing VS's lounge which at LAX is operated by Air New Zealand. The staff here were most accommodating, friendly and courteous, the beverage cold and plentiful, and wi-fi free on demand. Too soon it was it was time to head to the aircraft and once 'premium boarding' was announced I found myself the very first soul to board.

(Now switching to customer mode from moderator mode). After a rather perfunctory greeting from a flight attendant, which I parried and proffered more conversation, to no avail, I went to my seat and settled in. Departure announcements were fine but there were no individualized greetings, certainly nothing of the sort I experienced on flights going back five years or so (euphamistically referred to here as PVDDS: the Pre-Virgin Decisions to Downgrade Service period).

Yes, PVDDS was the Golden Era: red pillows, a truly festive champagne greeting, an amenity kit worth keeping. There were staff who smiled and called passengers by name. I fondly recall rather good food, too. Ah, but that was before the Great Accounting Pronouncements (GAP). GAP decreed that no passenger shall be provided anything beyond what's necessary.

Thusly prepared I wasn't really expecting a rewarding flight experience. Thus, having not experienced one I wasn't terribly disappointed. The food was fine, quite good actually, but served woodenly and when I requested that all courses be served at once (one used to receive this option without begging) the flight attendant questioned whether that's what I truly desired. Why, yes.

Seated in the sleep section I thought I'd be doing some of that. But alas, I learned that VS has apparently converted the former IFBT area (In Flight Beauty Therapist, one of the final points of difference cast adrift at the end of the PVDDS) into an office of sorts. Here flight attendants scurried to and fro, seated on the old IFBT chair, writing notes on what used to be her nail treatment desk. The relative quiet of snipping cuticle tissue has given way to the less quiet drinking of coffee and movement of people back and forth on the port aisle of the aircraft, people who don't look down as they walk, only forward. These same people -- pardon me, flight attendants -- managed to kick my feet over a half dozen times during the course of the evening, awakening me with not as much as 'pardon'.

Towards 1030 or so London time I turned my bed back into a chair and had a fairly tasty breakfast. The response from a flight attendant when I queried whether I might have a second cup of coffee was typical of how the crew interacted with those pesky interruptions, we passengers: none of the 'right away, sir' I remembered from PVDDS. Now we have a sort of shorthand communication: grunts, nods, no eye communication, no smiling. GAP leaders must be thrilled for truly, there were no wasted movements during the breakfast period.

Once the automatons had put away the breakfast materials their brethren were found at the bar, that once jolly haven where sitting and talking is now discouraged because, don't you see, this is where staff must work! Ah, I spied a lone dissenter, a young male FA who was so friendly I asked him how he could always be smiling, as indeed I'd noticed him doing so nearly the entire flight. 'It's in my bones, I guess,' he replied. 'Some would say I have a smile tattoo.' Hey, I'll take it! Don't go. Please come back.

We landed nearly ten minutes late and were off the plane quickly, none too soon for this aged traveler who at the conclusion of the flight felt like he'd lost a good friend.

Indeed, Virgin, where art thou?

Chuck-
#464893 by DMetters-Bone
16 Jan 2009, 17:23
Hey Chuck,

Thanks for the report, shame about the flight. I too would be very disappointed in receiving such medicore service......A letter would be going out if that were me.

Have fun at the PCP, sorry I won't be there to catch up with you.

Take care,

DMB
#464894 by DarkAuror
16 Jan 2009, 17:28
Thanks for the TR!

Shame about the flight and service.[n]
#464899 by DragonLady
16 Jan 2009, 17:58
quote:Originally posted by ChuckC

Once the automatons had put away the breakfast materials their brethren were found at the bar, that once jolly haven where sitting and talking is now discouraged because, don't you see, this is where staff must work!

Chuck-


I do hate this practice [V]. Either the bar is for passengers or it isn't. I have previously been 'moved on' so to speak ,in order that crew can set up trays. I wonder what would have happened if I'd declined their 'request'.
I'm so sorry that your flight wasn't even mediocre Chuck.Here's hoping that the return trip will have a little more sparkle.
DL
#464906 by frangipan
16 Jan 2009, 20:30
Virgin, if you fix just one thing, *please* train your staff that the bar is for the passengers, and any other use must take forcibly lower precedent. The bar is becoming an increasingly 'off-limits' area for much of the flight, which is a shame.
#464908 by napamatt
16 Jan 2009, 20:50
How long until the bar is removed?

If Virgin can't train the staff that work for them , what hope is there with contractors?

Flying UC next week - wish me luck!
#464934 by frangipan
17 Jan 2009, 14:41
My mother was taking a rare UC flight back to London last year. About an hour and a half before landing, she decided it would be nice to go to the bar and have a drink - get most from the experience. She's quite a nervous flier, so this was something of an achievement :-)

Sadly, as she arrived at the bar, she was told quite assertively to go back to her seat, because the bar was being used for 'crew preparation for landing'. A pity, especially at an hour and a half before said landing.

I flew one trip on the old J2k config, and seem to remember that the bar was a much 'brighter' and integral part of the UC cabin and service, rather than being the 'open-galley' it is now. Old-timers: is this just my rose-tinted imagination?
#464935 by Alex V
17 Jan 2009, 14:54
Thanks for the TR it must be gutting to remember the old service level and the way it used to be, i for one dont remember that far back. But things are pretty crap.

cheers

alex
#464964 by iforres1
17 Jan 2009, 20:24
Hi Chuck,

Thanks for the TR. Very average indeed. Not the TR I hasten to add[:I] I also have not travelled VS for nearlly 1 and a half years, in which I truly had 2 great flights. The next in 8 weeks should be interesting.
Hope your jant and jollies with the crew at the PCP is not too tiring.

all the best
Iain
#464995 by HighFlyer
18 Jan 2009, 11:10
It really sounds like you had a crew that did not want to be there and had forgotten to care for their customers. Your comments reiterate perfectly what a paying customer feels as a result. Fortunately the Male FA that you spied seemed to still have passion and enthusiasm and could well be the only saving grace. What a shame. I hope that your flight back is much, much better.

Thanks,
Sarah
#465012 by buns
18 Jan 2009, 14:26
Chuck

Thanks for taking the time to post this TR - especially considering you had such lack lustre service[V][V]

You have brought a new term to the V-Flyer lexicon 'PVDDS'[oo][oo][oo][oo][oo]

Let's all start a campaign that brings back the magic, even after taking onto account these tough economic times

Hope your return flight is better = Well at least your CDC turned up on time[:w][:w]

Take care

buns
#465035 by Sealink
18 Jan 2009, 17:49
I found your trip report to be a very entertaining read - you've got a really lovely writing style. It's a shame that the flight was so underwhelming...

...is this a common thing on US to UK flights? In my days as a travel agent I got numerous comments about flights along the lines of 'they were great going there, but not on the way back'.

quote:Originally posted by buns
Let's all start a campaign that brings back the magic, even after taking onto account these tough economic times
I would agree that these are exactly the times that the magic has to come back - you don't want your customers to be wondering if the competition might be better...!
#465039 by RichardMannion
18 Jan 2009, 18:10
Now there is a trip report I can really identify with of the last few years. such a shame.

Lovley to see you again Chuck, and hopefully see you in May!
#465041 by Darren Wheeler
18 Jan 2009, 18:22
Chuck. Shame your outbound trip was well below par so here's hoping your return is better.

I do wonder what happened to the LAX ground crews commonsense at times. It appears to be an almost deliberate attampt to make life as awkward for everyone as possible. With Hollywood just up the road, I often wonder if I'm an unwitting extra in a film about how to make passengers snap and 'go postal'.

Look forward to seeing you again soon.
#465141 by ChuckC
19 Jan 2009, 14:50
Thanks everyone for your comments. Please do have a look at the inbound TR. A magic genie appeared, sprinkled fairy dust and presto, a lovely trip ensued.

Chuck-
#465143 by mcuth
19 Jan 2009, 15:13
Great TR Chuck, thanks - most eloquent indeed [:)]
Sorry that the experience didn't match up to your delightful descriptive turn of phrase though...[:(]

quote:Originally posted by ChuckC
Please do have a look at the inbound TR. A magic genie appeared, sprinkled fairy dust and presto, a lovely trip ensued.

Oh excellent - glad that was a much better flight (and obviously that you got home safely [:D]) - proof indeed that the Eastbound crews aren't happy to be coming home?

Cheers
Michael
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