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#746418 by buns
23 May 2010, 00:02
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Well I suppose the subtitle for this TR could be "The Good, The Bad and The Downright Unacceptable".

For those of you who have been paying attention, you will know Mrs Buns and I had formed part of the V-Flyer Partybus and had an excellent flight out to San Francisco. For those really following my travels (some might call this stalking ): ): ) Mrs Buns had arrived at San Francisco on a flight on VX from Las Vegas :D :D

The Flight from Las Vegas had touched down at just after 2:30 and we went to Domestic Carousel 9 in the International Terminal (a bit of a contradiction I know ?| ) to collect our bags before going back upstairs to check in for our flight by 3pm. Utilising our Au status, we were able to go to directly the head of the Upper Class Check In, which was empty, and were seen right away. Armed with Boarding Passes, we quickly made our way to the hallowed San Francisco Clubhouse as by now it was getting past 3pm ;) .

Sure enough, we were met by the marvellous Claire - the Clubhouse Manager - who was eager to learn how fellow V-Flyers had faired in the B2B Challenge.
After sharing the photos with her, Mrs Buns and I settled down to the roast Beef Pannini washed down with some sustenance. Although the Clubhouse was full to the rafters, service was attentive and very efficient (something for which Claire should be rightly proud - an excellent leader y) IMHO). All too soon, the scheduled boarding came and having learnt from Claire that the BA situation had overfilled the flight and that volunteers were being sought, we thought it best not to leave until the last minute. Biding Claire a fond farewell, we made our way through the priority security channel. Having used this earlier in the week we we flew to Vegas, we knew to have to take everything out of our pockets as there is now a body scanner installed here.

Here endith the Good portion of the TR


Gate A11 was an absolute scrum - it was overheard that the aircraft had been fitted out with economy on the upper deck :0 so there was a mixture of UC, PE and Economy all trying to get through at the same time. No real welcome on board, and the whole crew attitude could be summed up as being akin to just following the laid down FSM script in my view. The Crew did not display any great enthusiasm - in stark contrast to the VX flight taken a few hours earlier - and we arrived at our seats to find one person in one of them. For one nano second I thought we might be in luck of an upgrade, but then thought (in the absence of any crew circulating in the cabin) to ask the dear lady if she was sitting in the right seat. "Of course I am - 36G" was the reply, to which I was able to point her in the right direction across the aisle. Nice to know I can be pretty adaptable is these situations :w .

Now it may just be me having a negative attitude, but it did seem to me that the crew working this flight were less than co-ordinated. Meal service was one aisle first followed b the other, making the entire process elongated and building up frustrations. Also (and a key point for me), if the crew were working light, then the FSM should have been more visible than merely handing out the Questionnaires before the flight started. Fortunately, it was the Starboard Aisle that got the dinner service first - dinner consisted of:

Seasonal leaf salad with crumbled feta cheese, tomato, black olives and Greek vinaigrette dressing
Mains
Slow-braised beef brisket with cranberry demi-glace and spinach mashed potatoes

Mustard and flaxseed-crusted chicken breast with herb butter and vegetable orzo pasta

Red Thai vegetable curry with aromatic jasmine rice

Dessert
Chocolate choux bun with vanilla chantilly cream

Both Mrs Buns I opted for the beef which was quiet tasty - although the slow service did detract somewhat

Here endith the Bad portion of the TR

Any opportunity to fully enjoy the meal was put paid to by the two businessmen in front of us who halfway through the meal service decided to fully recline their seats. As others have previously commented, when this happens, any chance to view the screen is removed and moreover, makes the entire eating experience a claustrophobic one. If this is a known issue, then surely VS can do something to limit the recline - it is all well and good promoting extra leg room, but if this is negated by inconsiderate behaviour then it will turn people away from what is a very competitive product. The inability to view anything more of the IFE (I had managed to get 90% of "Up in the Air") I resorted to using my I Pod for the rest of the journey. I was unable to sleep for most of the flight so was able to note there was only one drinks round. To me there was one member of the crew who was trying to do his best in a sea of indifference. Time dragged on, then breakfast was served.

All I will say is that well cooked croissants can be nice with some tasty fillings - but I have a sneaky suspicion that aircraft cookers are not the best place to try getting perfection........ v( Why couldn't have VS have stuck with the McMuffin offering??????

To cap it all, just before landing the nice lady who had been sitting in one of our seats decided to coat her hair - and much of the cabin in hairspray :0

Now before I conclude the Downright Unacceptable portion of this TR, I do have to reflect whether I was unacceptable in my karma on this flight. As we landed, we were informed that there was a medical emergency on board and that paramedics would be boarding the aircraft before we could leave. Now it may we be that this emergency detracted the crew, however, and enthused crew would have made sure that the standard of service would have been more efficient and I can only leave with the thought that his was a crew "just going through the motions"

As is said time and time again, the approach of the FSM has the ability to make and break a flight and VS should stop thinking its only competitor is BA - it should be looking over its shoulder and making sure its product, both in terms of physical seating and crew, is match fit

buns
#746420 by slinky09
23 May 2010, 00:12
Buns, not a happy trip or a good closure to your whole journey and the fun along the way! Adding to what is becoming a river of poor TRs and other VS experiences at the moment - and I say this as I sit in the ANZ lounge at LAX awaiting the VS8 and hoping for better.
#746425 by Jacki
23 May 2010, 10:16
Thank you for the TR - such a pity your trip did not end on a high note! As Slinky09 mentions recently there have been increased negative TR's in a variety of seats and routes!
#746427 by Guest
23 May 2010, 11:36
Buns, as has been said on here many a time it is the FSM that sets the tone for the rest of the CC and it looks obvious from your excellent TR that this one was not on the ball. I hope someone from VS reads your report and notes the points you have made; the cabin service sounds unacceptable and someone needs to be spoken to about it.

However I am delighted that you and Mrs Buns had a lovely well deserved break.

Cheers,

HG
#746429 by buns
23 May 2010, 12:00
Thank you all for your kind comments oo)

The basis of my judgement was on two recent experiences, both excellent, so expectations were running high as I boarded the aircraft to return home.

As Darren has reported, the outbound sector was truly excellent, so much so that I completed a number of Heroes Forms on board and this will be backed up by a letter to Crawley now that I am back home.

In addition, the VX flight from LAS was also an experience that made me feel I would give repeat custom.

It is such a shame that you can experience such extremes when flying with VS

buns
#746430 by Treelo
23 May 2010, 13:45
buns wrote:As Darren has reported, the outbound sector was truly excellent, so much so that I completed a number of Heroes Forms on board and this will be backed up by a letter to Crawley now that I am back home.

buns


Will you also be writing about the not-so-positive return flight? I felt the need to do so following our recent PE trip back from MCO.
#746437 by mdvipond
23 May 2010, 15:04
Thanks for a great TR buns. Yet another tale of poor FSM/crew spoiling an otherwise relatively pleasant flight. I don't understand how they keep getting it so wrong. It seems to be a case of when crew are good, they're very, very good, but when they're bad they're awful.
#746449 by ChuckC
23 May 2010, 16:30
Buns, first must say how much I wish we'd been able to see one another during your recent visit. Please send along my best to the wonderful Mrs. B.

Now, as to this trip report ... as Reiffer would say: tut, tut, tut! Hello, Crawley? Anyone there? Anyone listening? The lack of operations consistency seems to be VS' most urgent and continuing issue. What a shame to ruin your trip with service that is way off the mark.

FWIW I don't think your "karma", as you say, had one bit to do with your reaction to the crew. Am afraid this is what I've encountered inbound to the UK on several flights whereas the outbound crews appear to be quite ready and willing to serve. There are those times when we all feel a bit grumpy, but you are not very often that way and least of all when on holiday, buns.

Best regards, my friend.

Chuck-
#746453 by mike-smashing
23 May 2010, 17:20
Sorry to hear you had a bad flight Buns, especially when my last trip seems to have bucked that trend somewhat.

I noticed on my last inbound from SFO that the croissants were "over-warmed" in J, so they had gone a bit hard/chewy.

I mean how hard is it to heat a croissant or twenty? Other airlines seem to manage perfectly well.

I really don't know whether this is down to the crew just overcoooking them (i.e. not following the heating guidelines), or them being given wrong heating guidelines by the caterer in the first place.

Maybe they are better off just not heating them and letting them come up to cabin temperature? Who knows.

Some people question if the cabin crew can make or break things so much, but it's true. A great cabin crew can make a problem-ridden or delayed flight seem bearable, while a poor crew seem to be able to take an otherwise perfectly acceptable flight and wreck it.

Mike
#746460 by RichardMannion
23 May 2010, 18:33
Buns - thanks for taking the time to complete a TR. One of these days, that Neil chap might grace the site with one! ):

What to say, the polar flights, the dreaded C word that has being dogging VS for years and still hasn't been sorted. I really don't get some of the attitudes of cabin crew on certain carriers such as BA and VS - it's not as if there a huge number of unemployed people in the UK that could be trained in relatively short space of time now is it to replace them?

Consistency needs fixing very quickly now that there are very few class leading 'touches' on VS such as the full array of complimentary treatments in the CH, the IFBT etc etc.

Glad you both had a lovely time on the West coast, hopefully you managed to keep the ruffians in check.
#746471 by buns
23 May 2010, 21:42
Chuck

Mrs B has just remarked how silly we were in NOT doing the additional leg so that we could have all met once again :| Perhaps then we would have had a more enjoyable trip home.

As always, thank you for such kind words oo)

Mike

The croissants were a soggy, spongy consistency that if I had continued, I would still be chewing :w I am sure that the cost of cleaning after a proper "flaky" croissant being consumed throughout the cabin has prompted VS to come up with such an ingenious method of preparation

Richard

You are absolutely right about the C word. We here at V-Flyer have been raising this for some considerable time and I am sure Crawley are more than well aware of the issue. I suppose just getting people to change attitudes must be a lot harder than we all think.

.... keeping ruffians in check... I regret to inform you that Pete ended up leading me astray far too often :| :| :|
#746475 by tontybear
23 May 2010, 22:01
talking of ruffians - are the sealions back fromn their travels?
#746478 by tontybear
23 May 2010, 22:18
buns wrote:Pete, Vegascrazy, Spressobean, preiffer and Darren wheeler are all still out in the US

buns


am not sure they would appreciate being called 'sealions' ! ): ):
#746479 by buns
23 May 2010, 22:55
tontybear wrote:
buns wrote:Pete, Vegascrazy, Spressobean, preiffer and Darren wheeler are all still out in the US

buns


am not sure they would appreciate being called 'sealions' ! ): ):


Ah those......... :D

I am reliably informed the sealions still can be found at Pier 39

buns
#746493 by HWVlover
24 May 2010, 09:56
Thanks for the TR Buns. It is a pity that several recent reports haven't been terribly flattering.

Organising efficient services to passengers on a flight is hardly brain surgery; I do find it extraordinary that it is so often done badly. The crews are obviously trained so what happens?

Perhaps it is time for VS (and others) to appoint a few people (I'd volunteer in return for free flights) to "quality control" service delivery?
#746511 by jpcox1
24 May 2010, 16:44
Thanks Andy

I also hate it when people recline their seats. I personally do not find the seat any more comfortable when reclined. In the past we have told people in front to put their seats back as we were still eating.

The new ANZ PE seat appears to have a shell at the back that the seat reclines into so the person behind is not disadvantaged. This has to be the way forward.

Jeremy
#746512 by jpcox1
24 May 2010, 16:45
Thanks Andy

I also hate it when people recline their seats. I personally do not find the seat any more comfortable when reclined. In the past we have told people in front to put their seats back as we were still eating.

The new ANZ PE seat appears to have a shell at the back that the seat reclines into so the person behind is not disadvantaged. This has to be the way forward.

Jeremy
#746963 by iforres1
31 May 2010, 07:32
Hi Buns,

Im just catching up on the rack of Tr's that have been posted and they really are a mixed bunch. Sadly though it just does not seem good enough and VS do need to address this quickly if they want to keep their loyal PAX happy as well as their new ones.
Glad both you and Sandra had a lovely break.

Iain
#746977 by Bazz
31 May 2010, 12:06
Thanks for the TR Andy, real sorry the inbound was such a pig! Why oh why can't VS maintain standards? Looking forward to our LAX trip at Christmas, hoping we have better luck than you did.

Did you speak to the two businessmen who reclined during your meal? That is really not on. v(
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