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#882177 by ratechaser
06 Sep 2014, 21:20
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Any of you that read my slightly rant-y comments on the current thread about virgin route changes might be forgiven for a raising an eyebrow that I was on a VS flight only a couple of days later, but there you go. The bloody annoying thing is that I keep thinking that I really really really ought to cut over to BA, but then something always pulls me back from the brink. Good flights like this one being an example.

So, the context was work (as usual) although with a social side tacked on, hence me going on a Saturday morning rather than the usual Sunday afternoon. This brought the added bonus that I was able to avoid the dreaded UC on the 333 in both directions (hooray! oo) )

It was also a first for me in that I'd never sampled the LHR clubhouse before in the morning. Happy to report that it was its usual excellent self, I don't generally bother with treatments, but the breakfast was good and big enough for me (with the addition of a couple of very nice pastries from the deli bar). In fact, it was a second first for me in that I had nothing alcoholic. At all. Yes, I probably should hang my head in shame, but I had a NY party to go to that night and I really needed to pace myself...

Also happy to report that the sweet jars were again full of properly wrapped sweets rather than those silly loose bits of candy rock. So I got a decent handful for the journey. Plus another handful for the week ahead. Oh yes, and one final handful for my children back home. My trousers were bulging. Even more than normal :|

Anyway, a successful hour spent in the CH followed by a leisurely stroll to the gate (after the "last and final call", naturally). Took my seat on board followed by 2 swift Bucks Fizzes (alright, I'd paced myself enough by that point ): )

Very friendly crew from the start, and you just know that is a barometer for the flight. And so it proved. Drinks offered copiously, food of good quality - I had the Methi kali mirch (paneer based veg curry) which was delicious, followed by a nice salted caramel sponge pud - I'd personally have preferred it with custard rather than cream, but just my own taste I guess. And as I was typing this bit several hours later, I was tucking into some cheese that was put aside for me, plus the obligatory port y)

Rest of the flight passed smoothly, a fairly brisk 7 hours and 3 minutes in total. Seat was in decent condition. I watched Maleficent and the latest X-Men film for a bit of light relief, and sat at the bar for 15 minutes or so, but conversation was limited as it was near the end of the flight and the crew were rushing around, the FSM keeping them busy...

Into JFK, I was 2nd of the plane (does that count as 'seq.2'?) and did the usual job of trying to walk fast but nonchalantly towards immigration, where a fairly vocal member of staff did a great job of directing me and many others to the wrong lane. Good job I spotted it as I would have been there for hours (this being the lane for ESTA 1st timers and Visa holders. The automated checking process for ESTA regulars worked really well - 1st time I'd used it - and I was through and out to the limo desk in about 10 minutes, which I consider a great result!

Couple of overall niggles to mention - the IFE wasn't playing ball to start with and took over an hour to get going. And - Virgin - if you are going to put your passenger manifests out in plain view, at least have the decency to get the information right. There were several golds, a couple of delta medallions, and even a UNIQ referenced, but nothing against my name. I guess I know my place.

Overall though a good flight. I'll be on BA in CW in a few weeks and we'll see how that compares.

At some point soon I'm going to have to make a choice over who I maintain status with, but really tough, choosing an airline these days! First world problems... answers on a postcard please!

RC
#882180 by horburyflyer
06 Sep 2014, 22:09
Huge thanks for the speedy TR and I enjoyed it. Have a great party tonight :w

A good solid flight with the boxes ticked and great to hear the salted caramel pud is back on board....I would prefer with custard too but I will take cream and maybe a second helping! :D

The manifest drives me crazy - it's in the public view but is often not correct. On my last flight I was welcomed and recognised as a UNIQ (which is correct) but on the manifest it said Silver. Not that I get hung up on these things really....but when it's been the other way around, and it has a few times, it is annoying ):

Enjoy NYC and I do like Saturday flying myself.....will be interesting to see how BA rises to the challenge :w

Jon
#882181 by pjh
06 Sep 2014, 22:20
Thanks for the TR. Hope the party was worth the early day restraint.

BTW, what counts as an 'ESTA regular'? Travelling multiple times within a given ESTA validity or having had multiple ESTAs?
#882183 by buns
06 Sep 2014, 22:42
RC

Thanks for a super TR y) y)

Your dilemma is shared by many a V Flyer (me included) with regards to maintaining loyalty with VS or jumping ship to BA. For the time being VS holds the clincher with the Clubhouse, but I (and Mrs Buns for that matter) are reading TRs closely to see if the "Delta Effect" starts to take hold and the Clubhouse just becomes another Sky Lounge

Thanks once again

buns
#882189 by whiterose
07 Sep 2014, 07:20
RC, thanks for good, detailed (and swift) TR. I'm interested about the "ESTA regular" comment as we're on VS1 to EWR in a couple of weeks.

Also be very interested to read the comparison with CW as we're yet another duo wondering about jumping ship.

Enjoy NYC.
#882231 by ratechaser
07 Sep 2014, 18:12
pjh wrote:Thanks for the TR. Hope the party was worth the early day restraint.

BTW, what counts as an 'ESTA regular'? Travelling multiple times within a given ESTA validity or having had multiple ESTAs?


Oh yes, I wouldn't have missed the party for the world!

As for the ESTA question, it's vague, as I wasn't sure either, but as I ended up leading a min-exodus out of the wrong queue, I ended up getting chatting to a few other people and someone who was travelling for the first time on a renewed ESTA was also ok using the automated process. So I don't think it's just for people using their current ESTA for the 2-nth time. But don't quote me, as it's definitely not clear!
#882233 by itisme
07 Sep 2014, 18:16
Could you tell what's different about the other queue? I fly a few times a year to the states but haven't seen a different line so far? How does it work. Flying tomorrow to ATL (no idea how immgration there usually is) - so would be nice if i can use a quicker line if available :D
#882239 by Blacky1
07 Sep 2014, 18:46
On the subject of 'renewed esta' am I right in saying this is just another esta application rather than some sort of shortened process ? Reason I ask is that mine expires in nov before my trip to Boston and need to renew but as far as I can tell you just apply for a new one
#882241 by ratechaser
07 Sep 2014, 18:47
It's basically the 'conventional' queue that goes to the inspection booths, and signposted something like 'visitors, 1st time ESTA and visa holders', and another one that just leads to a lot of banks of automated terminals similar to check-in ones (i.e. no barriers in/out like you get with the passport scanners at LHR). That one's signed something like 'visitors, returning ESTA'. The machines take a scan of your passport, face, fingerprints, and prints out a receipt for you to take to a desk where an inspector gives it a quick look over and waves you through.

One other thing, this process also asks you the customs questions about why you are here and what you are carrying, so it makes the blue/white customs form redundant, I didn't need it at all, again, you give the customs inspector the same receipt from the terminal.

This is a seriously good improvement in terms of time and streamlining, although it can be a bit fiddle getting your fingerprints lined up correctly on the scanner...
#882242 by ratechaser
07 Sep 2014, 18:49
Blacky1 wrote:On the subject of 'renewed esta' am I right in saying this is just another esta application rather than some sort of shortened process ? Reason I ask is that mine expires in nov before my trip to Boston and need to renew but as far as I can tell you just apply for a new one


I assume so, I've never seen an actual 'renew' option, it's always a case of applying for a new one...
#882244 by Blacky1
07 Sep 2014, 18:52
ratechaser wrote:
Blacky1 wrote:On the subject of 'renewed esta' am I right in saying this is just another esta application rather than some sort of shortened process ? Reason I ask is that mine expires in nov before my trip to Boston and need to renew but as far as I can tell you just apply for a new one


I assume so, I've never seen an actual 'renew' option, it's always a case of applying for a new one...


Ok that's what I thought ,great TR by the way y)
#882261 by whiterose
08 Sep 2014, 07:17
Blacky1 wrote:On the subject of 'renewed esta' am I right in saying this is just another esta application rather than some sort of shortened process ? Reason I ask is that mine expires in nov before my trip to Boston and need to renew but as far as I can tell you just apply for a new one



Blacky, we did ours a few weeks ago and it is simply applying for a new one and getting the approval immediately. Only took a few minutes to do. y)
#882268 by pjh
08 Sep 2014, 08:20
ratechaser wrote:It's basically the 'conventional' queue that goes to the inspection booths, and signposted something like 'visitors, 1st time ESTA and visa holders', and another one that just leads to a lot of banks of automated terminals similar to check-in ones (i.e. no barriers in/out like you get with the passport scanners at LHR). That one's signed something like 'visitors, returning ESTA'. The machines take a scan of your passport, face, fingerprints, and prints out a receipt for you to take to a desk where an inspector gives it a quick look over and waves you through.

One other thing, this process also asks you the customs questions about why you are here and what you are carrying, so it makes the blue/white customs form redundant, I didn't need it at all, again, you give the customs inspector the same receipt from the terminal.

This is a seriously good improvement in terms of time and streamlining, although it can be a bit fiddle getting your fingerprints lined up correctly on the scanner...


Thanks for the information. A Google search yielded a "has anybody seen this?" thread on Tripadvisor, but no detail. We're not heading to JFK until next Easter, but hopefully it will be in place and reducing the wait off VS45.... :w
#882311 by mrsw
08 Sep 2014, 15:41
I'm also interested in the ESTA situation -- My existing one will have expired by the time my next US trip comes along, so I will be on my 2nd ESTA.

Having had a quick look on google, I *think* it's because there are new biometric automatic passport control (APC) kiosks deployed in certain US airports (including JFK and ORD, so I'm good for next year), and as long as you have previously given your biometrics (eg fingerprint) i.e. not arriving in the US for the first time, it should recognise you... I'm not certain though, so will be watching this space for any updates.
#882320 by Blacky1
08 Sep 2014, 17:46
whiterose wrote:
Blacky1 wrote:On the subject of 'renewed esta' am I right in saying this is just another esta application rather than some sort of shortened process ? Reason I ask is that mine expires in nov before my trip to Boston and need to renew but as far as I can tell you just apply for a new one



Blacky, we did ours a few weeks ago and it is simply applying for a new one and getting the approval immediately. Only took a few minutes to do. y)


Thanks Whiterose y)
#882321 by whiterose
08 Sep 2014, 18:01
mrsw wrote:I'm also interested in the ESTA situation -- My existing one will have expired by the time my next US trip comes along, so I will be on my 2nd ESTA.

Having had a quick look on google, I *think* it's because there are new biometric automatic passport control (APC) kiosks deployed in certain US airports (including JFK and ORD, so I'm good for next year), and as long as you have previously given your biometrics (eg fingerprint) i.e. not arriving in the US for the first time, it should recognise you... I'm not certain though, so will be watching this space for any updates.



We're flying into EWR next week. Googling APC seems to show that EWR has APC kiosks but apparently only for UA flyers. I'll report back.
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