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#246041 by honey lamb
03 Nov 2006, 23:45
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Our trip started with a crowded Ryanair trip to LGW whereby half the flight seemed to be leaving Ireland to return after the UK half-term break and the other half leaving for the start of the Irish half-term and a Bank Holiday weekend. Safely landing in LGW we headed for the Hilton for the night. Aer John was exhausted after a series of tests at school and I too was exhausted for the same reason and so we quickly crashed for the night. [|)]

Up bright and early, we headed for the terminal joining the river of people flowing in the same direction all jostling each other as they manoeuvred their trolleys and cases. Arriving at the VS check-in area the economy area was teeming and at first glance the Upper Class and Premium Economy seemed the same. However focussing more clearly I notice that it is a large family group that is checking in and no-one else is in the queue. Much relieved we approach the security lady at the entrance to the UC and PE area arriving on the UC side at the same time as a husband and wife (and possibly family) arrive on the PE side. The security lady swivels her head from side to side and then to my surprise turns to the couple and asks, Good morning sir. Are we travelling Premium Economy? He confirms they are and so she does what she has to do before releasing them to check-in. Turning then to me, she asks in slow, rather patronising patient tones that one might use to a confused old lady (Im not that old! Honest! And the couple in PE were older than me) Are you travelling in Economy? Economy! Economy! I could have forgiven her if she had said Premium Economy but Economy!! [:(!] I can read and if she had looked at our cases they had gold tags on them. Incandescent with rage I politely reply, No, Upper Class She is covered in confusion and immediately becomes sweetness and light. Too late, lady! [V] Youve well and truly blotted your copybook and even now the memory still rankles. Soon we are released to the Upper Class queue where the large family group is still milling around. However a VS guy notices that the UC desk at the end which is partially hidden by a pillar is free and directs us there. We have a difficulty getting past the family who are still swanning noisily around the UC check in area (and it is soon clear to me that they are in PE from the questions they are asking about their seats), but we are quickly checked-in with lounge invitations in hand. Aer John takes his clubs to the oversize baggage area and we once more join the river of people this time heading towards security. Fast Track isnt open and with the volume of people going through I reckon we will be there for at least 30 minutes. It takes exactly 5 minutes!! And so to the Clubhouse!

In the Clubhouse I was delighted to see the kitchen functioning, but as has been mentioned on other trip reports the menu has changed slightly. The full breakfast is not there although there is something that resembles it and the bacon sandwich has been replaced by a bacon bagel. Also missing is the signature dish. After breakfast we both had treatments. I had heard a call for passengers for flight VS115 and it was there I heard about the cracked windscreen on the previous days flight. Aer John had another bagel and then shortly before we were called we decided to mosey down to the gate.

From the Clubhouse I had seen V-TOP on stand and hoped that it would be ours. It was! [y] Boarding was just commencing. There was no priority line but we were told to go straight on board. There was a queue in the jetway as they pre-boarded a couple of wheelchair passengers and one little toddler T, kept on trying to make a break for it. Dad kept up a regular commentary of T, come here please, T, dont do that, T!!. At one stage T was doing something she shouldnt and Mum shouted, T, stop! whereupon Dad told Mum not to shout. Guess whose voice we were nearly sick of by then. Incidentally T also made a break for it on board and at one stage was heading purposefully into the UC cabin. A girl of taste and discrimination in spite of her tender age.

Boarding the aircraft, the guy at the door said, Good morning, Mrs honey lamb. Welcome aboard before directing me towards my seat. Oh good! Its going to be one of those flights. Wrong! That was the only time I was addressed by name. On board the Oswald Boateng kits were on the seats! WooHoo! No Scrooge Pack - except that yet again I have another set of cufflinks - so useful for me. We were offered champagne for me and water for John by the cabin crew. I have to say at this point that they were great and worked their socks off but of the FSM there was no sign. She flitted in and out of the UC cabin a couple of times but spoke to no passengers and scowled the whole time. I would have felt uncomfortable if I had needed to talk to her about anything on the flight. What happened to Brilliant Basics Magic Touches policy V-Ben referred to in another post? [V]

Shortly after we had settled in the posse of UC passengers arrived from the Clubhouse and the cabin was full including a 16 month old baby. He protested vigorously about being strapped into his seat and I prayed for a swift take off for us and a hasty departure for him to the Land of Nod. That was not to be. The captain came on and announced a 30 minute delay while they fixed a brake problem. That was the signal for the cabin crew to crack open more champagne [^] and for everyone to get out of their seats and a cocktail party atmosphere prevailed in the cabin as everyone milled around chatting to one another. Even Junior quietened down as people chatted to him and he was able to move around. A further delay was announced while the necessary paperwork was complete but an hour after our scheduled departure time the doors were closed and we settled down for take-off except that was the cue for Junior to protest which he did in great style. He screamed and screamed and screamed and screamed until a couple of hours or so after take-off and certainly after our meal service he finally collapsed into a deep sleep. Phew! Actually I felt sorry for the parents as they did their best to pacify him but he was overtired and fighting sleep with a tenacity worthy of Cassius Clay in his prime.

The meal was the Mediterranean menu. I had the minestrone soup and the steak which was rather nice. Apparently the steak was popular as the crew told me later they had run out of it. Remember this thread? I watched The Devil Wears Prada (which is unusual as I rarely watch films) and following a post-prandial Baileys and the sudden release of Junior into the arms of Morpheus, I converted the seat and settled down for a snooze. [|)] About an hour or so later I was awakened. Yes, Junior has also awakened and was in full cry once more!! He soon calmed down but the cabin floor took on the appearance of a cr_che as Mum sat on the floor playing with him. Unfortunately Aer John got the full brunt of him as he pulled at his feet, or leaned over the seat and bashed him on the head with his cup. Eventually Aer John repaired to the bar and got chatting to a guy who lived just behind where we were staying. Afternoon tea consisted of a couple of sandwiches on foccacia bread and an apricot tart which were OK. These did not suit Aer John and the cabin crew foraged in the economy galley and came back with a selection of plain rolls which suited him down to the ground. [y]

Shortly after that we began our descent into MCO which was the cue for Junior to practice his vocal chords once more. However once on the ground and when he was installed in his buggy he became a charmed child. Mum indicated that he loved his buggy whereupon the cabin crew voiced all our thoughts by saying she should have brought it out sooner!

Once off the aircraft we encountered the shortest lines for Immigration I have ever seen and then as a second shock the most pleasant immigration officer ever. He chatted with us, teased me over a small omission on my form which he completed, chatted to me about my job and wished us both a good vacation. Released to baggage claim we found that the bags were coming through or rather were trying to come through. The UC/PE carousel was blocked. One of the UC passengers threw a major wobbly saying he hadnt paid $10,000 dollars for this to happen. Eventually they got it going but it broke down twice more. I had retrieved my case but we were still waiting for Aer Johns clubs to come through. In the meantime the economy belt was working fine so by the time we had got the clubs there was a queue to get through customs and to put our bags back on the second belt. [:(] Fortunately the bags came through quickly at baggage claim and soon we were on our way in our CDC to Tampa and a few days golf for Aer John.
#381034 by mike-smashing
04 Nov 2006, 00:47
Originally posted by honey lamb
ÒAre you travelling in Economy?Ó Economy! Economy! I could have forgiven her if she had said Premium Economy Ð but Economy!! [:(!] I can read and if she had looked at our cases they had gold tags on them. Incandescent with rage I politely reply, ÒNo, Upper ClassÓ She is covered in confusion and immediately becomes sweetness and light. Too late, lady! [V]


Yay! Way to go G4S. Expect nothing less than 'upsetting' - then you'll be happy and amazed when they are nice to you.

In the Clubhouse I was delighted to see the kitchen functioning, but as has been mentioned on other trip reports the menu has changed slightly. The full breakfast is not there although there is something that resembles it and the bacon sandwich has been replaced by a bacon bagel. Also missing is the signature dish.


The signature dish is gone at LL too, certainly the scrambled egg with salmon variety, anyway. 'Bacon bagel'? Hm. Give me a bacon bap any day! I know there will be more than one disappointed person on here with that 'modified' menu!

What are VS thinking? Is the KK clubhouse becoming LL's poor relation?

I have to say at this point that they were great and worked their socks off but of the FSM there was no sign. She flitted in and out of the UC cabin a couple of times but spoke to no passengers and scowled the whole time. I would have felt uncomfortable if I had needed to talk to her about anything on the flight. What happened to ÒBrilliant Basics Ð Magic TouchesÓ policy V-Ben referred to in another post? [V]


I've thought for a long time, the FSM can make or break a flight. I've experienced one or two rough FSMs before now, that have made a flight seem lacking something. Though my experience is there are more good FSMs than bad, and some who are simply incredible and make a so-so flight extra special - like come and seek out the Au members in the back of plane and say 'Hi, even though your sat back here, we've not forgotten about you. Have a nice chocolate or some fruit. Let me know if you need anything.' (I've also had a discreet bar invite from an FSM when I was sat in a quiet PE cabin and J was practically empty - I was passed a note saying 'Do come and join us for a drink downstairs if you feel bored!')

The meal was the Mediterranean menu. I had the minestrone soup and the steak which was rather nice. Apparently the steak was popular as the crew told me later they had run out of it.


Did you get to smell the fish concoction? It was quite rank on my flight! No wonder the steak was popular! (Though the steak was pretty nasty out of LHR on my last UC flight.)

Afternoon tea consisted of a couple of sandwiches on foccacia bread and an apricot tart which were OK. These did not suit Aer John and the cabin crew foraged in the economy galley and came back with a selection of plain rolls which suited him down to the ground. [y]


The apricot tart I found quite moreish when I tried it, saved an awful meal from being a complete disaster. Still, I think I'm unconvinced by the current offering ex-UK to the US.

Released to baggage claim we found that the bags were coming through Ð or rather were trying to come through. The UC/PE carousel was blocked. One of the UC passengers threw a major wobbly saying he hadn't paid $10,000 dollars for this to happen.


Must have suffered the 'priority baggage' comedy one time too many, like several other people on here! [;)]

For there to be so many failures of VS' priority baggage, the process has to be broken somewhere along the line, right?

Thanks for the TR - I've noticed that some of the US Immigration officers have been downright pleasant recently, though quite a few remain very serious and deadpan - but never unpleasant, nasty or rude.

Cheers!
Mike
#381077 by DMetters-Bone
04 Nov 2006, 13:01
Thanx for a great TR!! Glad you had a good flight, apart from Junior sceraming!!! I say sit them down the back!![}:)][}:)]
#381082 by maz
04 Nov 2006, 13:59
Thanks for the great report!![:D]Really enjoyed it.

Hope we don't have a screaming child on our trip![:(] We had a poor family coping with one on a charter to Lanzarote once and that was bad enough.
#381091 by pjh
04 Nov 2006, 14:37
Originally posted by honey lamb
Unfortunately Aer John got the full brunt of him as he pulled at his feet, or leaned over the seat and bashed him on the head with his cup.


[:?] Perhaps the child would have settled had AJ not being belabouring him with a beaker [:D]

Anyhow, it sounds like you have the patience of a saint and fully deserved a great time. A great read, and thanks for posting it.

Paul
#381093 by honey lamb
04 Nov 2006, 14:54
Perhaps the child would have settled had AJ not being belabouring him with a beaker

Aer John, nursing the lumps and bumps on his head, later admitted to me that he was sorely tempted to kick the said child and then plead innocence by saying he was half asleep and thought it was the cat who has an annoying habit of curling up on top of AJ's legs during the night [}:)] However he thought he might be asked to leave the plane there and then so decided against it! [:D]
#381276 by Mavrick
06 Nov 2006, 09:41
Another great TR, Thank you HL. [y]
#381392 by openwide
06 Nov 2006, 20:13
Great TR HL, had the same experience when we arrived at MCO on the 15th October, we were greeted by a very jolly immigration officer and we were straight through immigration in a flash.

Hannah R
#381397 by HighFlyer
06 Nov 2006, 20:37
Fantastic read Christine - had me laughing out loud in places! Economy indeed [;)] [:)] And Aer John accidentally kicking the little darling rugrat ... [:D]

As for the 'Magic Touch' - we didnt see any of this in PE on our flight from JFK either, apparently the crew are attending a training course for it? I do hope they get this right - how hard can it be for the FSM to say a quick hello?

Cheers for the TR, hope you both had a fab break away!

Thanks,
Sarah
#382234 by Nevil30
10 Nov 2006, 23:20
Great Trip Report [y]

We have travelled twice now in UC with our young son and can see the faces of the other passengers when we board. Luckily our little one is pretty relaxed and easily occupied [^] but we would be horrified if he was not and disturbed other passengers.

Aer John sounds as though he deserves a medal.

Regards
Nevil
#382286 by VS045
11 Nov 2006, 11:15
The security lady swivels her head from side to side and then to my surprise turns to the couple and asks, ÒGood morning sir. Are we travelling Premium Economy?Ó He confirms they are and so she does what she has to do before releasing them to check-in. Turning then to me, she asks in slow, rather patronising patient tones that one might use to a confused old lady (I'm not that old! Honest! And the couple in PE were older than me) ÒAre you travelling in Economy?Ó Economy! Economy! I could have forgiven her if she had said Premium Economy Ð but Economy!! I can read and if she had looked at our cases they had gold tags on them. Incandescent with rage I politely reply, ÒNo, Upper ClassÓ She is covered in confusion and immediately becomes sweetness and light. Too late, lady! You've well and truly blotted your copybook and even now the memory still rankles.


I love situations like this where the person squirms and makes some attempt at grovelling after you've just told them you're flying UC, or anything similar[:D]

Oh yeah, fantsastic TR, HL[^]

VS.
#382335 by candyman
11 Nov 2006, 23:09
thanks for the trippie
we are going UC on wednesday and are dreading it again after some coments here.
we have with us a livly 3 year old and our mentaly disabled 11 year old .
so if any of you are on vs27 on wednesday UC you may wish to take extra supplies or ear plugs .
although on our last trip both were totally well behaved and did not cause a fuss at all
so sorry in advance to anyone if your peace is shattered

steve
#382339 by Scrooge
12 Nov 2006, 00:03
As ever a great TR.

No full breakfast [:0][B)]

Bacon bagel [:0][B)]

Not so good food in flight [V]

Are we starting to see a pattern here ?

Well not the greatest of flight's it sounds like it was not even close to the worse.

Happy to see you got one of the full amenity packs, I am guessing I will get one of the scroge packs next month so no cuff links for me [B)][:p]
#382409 by buns
12 Nov 2006, 22:27
HL

First, please accept my apolgies that I have not responded sooner to a truly excellent TR[:I]

A very enjoyable read, and a take my hat off to you for enduring:
1. the 'efficent' security lady
2. the 'absent' FSM
3. the 'charming' little one

Please do not get me wrong, I have been on flights where very young children have been an absolute delight - mainly because parents have come prepared - and also on flights such as this where a young child has frankly been bored and therefore shown their displeasure. My sympathy goes out to flight crew who in my experience often do the parents job for them by keeping the little ones amused.

hope your trip helped aer john's handicap[;)]

all the best

buns
#382448 by Nevil30
13 Nov 2006, 12:00

Please do not get me wrong, I have been on flights where very young children have been an absolute delight - mainly because parents have come prepared - and also on flights such as this where a young child has frankly been bored and therefore shown their displeasure.



Hi Buns,

I would probably agree there, my wifes hand luggage used to contain the normal 'womens' items, now it contains half of Early Learning Centre just to occupy the little one. But it works and that's the main thing, at the end of the day there are passengers who may only travel once in UC and the last thing they want is a screaming child.

Regards
Nevil
#382671 by G-VFAB
14 Nov 2006, 21:38
Why can't they just say, may I have a look at your ticket, or what class are you travelling today Sir/Madm? It would be much more polite and would save assumptions being made.
#382673 by G-VFAB
14 Nov 2006, 21:45
Why can't they just say, may I have a look at your ticket, or what class are you travelling today Sir/Madm? It would be much more polite and would save assumptions being made.
#382689 by Littlejohn
14 Nov 2006, 22:33
It would be more delicate G-VFAB. BTW Welcome to v-flyer [;]
#382693 by VS045
14 Nov 2006, 22:48
thanks for the trippie
we are going UC on wednesday and are dreading it again after some coments here.
we have with us a livly 3 year old and our mentaly disabled 11 year old .
so if any of you are on vs27 on wednesday UC you may wish to take extra supplies or ear plugs .
although on our last trip both were totally well behaved and did not cause a fuss at all
so sorry in advance to anyone if your peace is shattered


I think the general opinion on the site is that the wau kids behave is a reflection of their parents and often its the latter that cause more trouble.[;)]
As long as you're prepared you should be fine[:D]

VS.
#382712 by pjh
15 Nov 2006, 00:41
Originally posted by VS045
thanks for the trippie
we are going UC on wednesday and are dreading it again after some coments here.
we have with us a livly 3 year old and our mentaly disabled 11 year old .
so if any of you are on vs27 on wednesday UC you may wish to take extra supplies or ear plugs .
although on our last trip both were totally well behaved and did not cause a fuss at all
so sorry in advance to anyone if your peace is shattered


I think the general opinion on the site is that the wau kids behave is a reflection of their parents and often its the latter that cause more trouble.[;)]
As long as you're prepared you should be fine[:D]

VS.


Running the risk of a redundant post, well said that man. Steve - hope you and your family have a great flight.

Paul
#382881 by G-VFAB
16 Nov 2006, 14:34
Originally posted by sailor99
It would be more delicate G-VFAB. BTW Welcome to v-flyer [;]


Thanks for the welcome but please refer yourself to my post in The Clubhouse.

I have been a member for most of this year, however since moving to University in September interent access has been sparodic, and they have only just repaired the line connection in my halls, which means I now have continuous access.

But thank you for the welcome!
#382883 by ukcobra
16 Nov 2006, 14:42
Originally posted by G-VFAB
Why can't they just say, may I have a look at your ticket, or what class are you travelling today Sir/Madm? It would be much more polite and would save assumptions being made.


You are correct, with a little bit of training, you can encourage the security screeners / queue staff to ask open questions such as, 'Which class of cabin are you traveling in today' ?

It would avoid customers getting a bit upset about being asked if they are travelling in a lower/different cabin.

Now I use it as an opportunity to train the staff myself (I teach troubleshooting/questioning skills )
#382888 by pjh
16 Nov 2006, 14:45
Originally posted by ukcobra
Originally posted by G-VFAB
Why can't they just say, may I have a look at your ticket, or what class are you travelling today Sir/Madm? It would be much more polite and would save assumptions being made.


You are correct, with a little bit of training, you can encourage the security screeners / queue staff to ask open questions such as, 'Which class of cabin are you traveling in today' ?



Certainly better than the question I was once asked in the USA - 'Are you sure you are travelling business, sir?'

Paul
#382980 by G-VFAB
16 Nov 2006, 23:21
I would suppose that it's because these individuals are outsorced. But personally if I was an outsorced security officer etc, I would be embarrased if I said - Are you travelling Econ? And they reply No, actualy we have a J ticket.
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