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#246627 by Realistic Flier
06 Dec 2006, 16:26
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This was my fourth VS076 Upper Class flight this year.

Check-in at MCO was, as I usually find, excellent, with friendly and attentive staff. [y]

Progress through security was straightforward without any issues. [y]

The Delta Crown Room, for once, was very busy due to a number of delayed Delta flights. Finding seats was a problem, but that was no-ones fault. Seats were found, drinks were gathered and everything was calm. [:)]

It may of been a coincidence, but Delta were a little to early with their preferred boarding call for our flight. Walking to the gate, it was very crowded and obvious that boarding had not been called. In fact it was ten minutes later when the first call was made and the gate opened for preferred boarding. Problem then was getting through to the gate. [:(] On reflection, maybe the early call off Delta freed up more space in the Crown Room for the ever growing number of delayed Delta passengers. [}:)]

After a number of polite 'excuse me please' the gate was reached and onwards to the Boarding Bridge which was full of static passengers, who it became apparent were queuing for their duty free packs. Further polite 'excuse me please'to an empty Bridge Link and on-board with the normal smiley greeting. Maybe the ground staff could ask passengers waiting to collect their packs to queue on one side so others can pass by to board? [:(]

And so, into the Upper Class Suite.

Can't you often sense that a flight may not be the best you have had?

Miserly cardboard packaged flight packs just left on each seat and sleep suit bags stacked on the bar and stools - don't tell me we are now going 'self-service' [?]

Pre-flights drinks were served by the friendly cabin crew. [:)]

Probably best to list the issues thereafter:

1. The passenger in 6A, on entering the suite, was informed that his seat was broken, was static in the upright position and that he should not have been checked-in. A little too late when you are on board. [V]

2. Scheduled departure time came and went with no explaination and passengers clearly queuing on the Boarding Bridge Link to get on board. [?]

3. After asking what the problem was, a member of the cabin crew went back down the aircraft and returned with the explaination that it was a 'little lively back there' A number of seats, for whatever reason, had been taken out of use following inspection after landing from the previous journey. Despite the check-in staff being told this, they had still checked passengers into these seats (remember 6A) So now we had passengers on board without usable seats and passengers with seat allocation still queuing to the Bridge Link. Sympathy to all passengers. [n]

4. One hour later, the 'seatless' passengers were accommodated in jump seats and the doors were closed.

5. Dinner service faired no better. My table refused all persuasion to open correctly. I had to vacate my seat whilst the flight attendant, on his hands and knees, took over the task of extracting the table. Eventually, with the joint efforts of him using a 'credit card size' plastic card and me pushing when told to, the table gave in and opened up for use. [n]

6. A similar operation was undertaken on another table, but a third defeated all efforts and the lady passenger had dinner off her lap. [n]

7. Meanwhile, the disgruntled passenger in 6A was fortunate enough to be able to share his colleagues table for dinner. [:(!]

8. Enough for me! had my bed made up, no breakfast ordered and a request to be woken as late as possible. [|)]

9. My colleague, who never sleeps on this flight, confirmed that the Senior Flight Service Manager was notable by her complete absence of any visit(s) into the suite. [n]

I don't know which aircraft we were on, those who know can find out. The general condition of the suite was OK, but three failed tables, one seat out of commission, miserly flight packs - obviously just thrown down onto the seats, sleep suit bags stacked on the bar and stools - 'self service style' and an elusive Flight Service Manager....a Diamond without the sparkle, again S R B [n]

The obvious question to Virgin is, would such a series of situations experienced on VS076 be allowed to happen on any Heathrow Flights? I very much doubt it. Business or Social, there must be a single standard of service throughout the carrier. It seems that the expected Virgin standard continues to fall out of the Northern Base.

Living 20 minutes from BHX, I am seriously considering reverting back to Continental, Business First, via Newark.
#385426 by Decker
06 Dec 2006, 16:43
Sorry to hear of your negative experiences but thanks for sharing them! Failing tables does seem to be an issue of late. I wonder if the newer 'refurbed' tables are faring better.
#385428 by Francesca
06 Dec 2006, 16:58
On our flight on Monday, the person in the seat behind me was having considerable problems shutting their table, and kept having to bang it.

This meant that that I was disturbed by the 'vibrating' partition.[V]

As it was Decker I didn't complain at the time - I'm adding it on to all the other times he's annoyed me and will have my revenge at a later date[}:)][:p][}:)]

Mrs D
#385431 by fozzyo
06 Dec 2006, 17:13
Originally posted by Mrs Decker
As it was Decker I didn't complain at the time - I'm adding it on to all the other times he's annoyed me and will have my revenge at a later date[}:)][:p][}:)]


Is that list getting quite sizable now? [;)]

Whatever happened to the new design of table? The pop-up one, seemed to work better the once time I had it. Is this not being retro-fitted or was it found to have problems of its own?

The cardboard boxes are something that are very unpopular with passengers and crew alike - comes to something when Economy get a better pack then Upper.
#385433 by Francesca
06 Dec 2006, 17:30
Originally posted by fozzyo
Originally posted by Mrs Decker
As it was Decker I didn't complain at the time - I'm adding it on to all the other times he's annoyed me and will have my revenge at a later date[}:)][:p][}:)]


Is that list getting quite sizable now? [;)]


Absolutely[:)]

Originally posted by fozzyo
The cardboard boxes are something that are very unpopular with passengers and crew alike - comes to something when Economy get a better pack then Upper.


On our last flight the CSS came round and gave out toothbrushes and pens. I thought that this was a very good way of introducing herself to the passengers and making sure that we knew that other 'amenities' were available if we needed them[y]

Mrs D
#385455 by Treelo
06 Dec 2006, 19:12
On our last flight the CSS came round and gave out toothbrushes and pens. I thought that this was a very good way of introducing herself to the passengers and making sure that we knew that other 'amenities' were available if we needed them[y]

Mrs D


That would be on a LHR flight then, Mrs D?

I won't bore the pants off everyone be reiterating my thoughts on VS service from MAN. Suffice to say the OP is right [:)]
#385464 by honey lamb
06 Dec 2006, 20:00
What concerns me is that Realistic Flier states that 6A was broken. He travelled on November 17th. EGG has told us of his situation when his suite in 6A was broken. He travelled on November 16th from MCO. candyman had travelled to MCO earlier on that date and he too reported that 6A was broken. That means that there were at least 4 flights (I'm including the outbound flight on the 17th) where we have clear evidence of 6A being broken but there appears to have been no attempt to repair it. Moreover VS continued to check people into that suite even though at this stage they should have known it was broken.

Not good at all, VS [V][V]
#385475 by Kraken
06 Dec 2006, 21:01
When I flew back from MCO on 18th Nov, the table on 9A [thankfully not my seat] was jammed in the closed position - the lady in this seat had to use the ottoman as a table. The movable armrest on 9K [sadly, my seat] would not lock into position, up or down.

I sent VS an email on the 24th Nov about the general state of the UC cabin of G-VAST that bought me home & am still waiting for a reply. I agree with the OP that there is no way VS would put a very worn aircraft like some of the LGW/MAN 747's on a Heathrow service, where the majority of UC pax will be on high revenue D or J fares.
#385505 by daywalker
06 Dec 2006, 23:28
Oh christ, I'm gonna change my seat allocation for May 07, we've got the pair of 6's both way and on this route I don't trust VS to have sorted it by then!
#385511 by mitchja
06 Dec 2006, 23:54
Good TR thanks [y]

I'm not taking sides here, but I think the problem is that VS MAN/LGW op's are so tight at the moment with not a lot of room for A/C going tech, plus I'm sure I read somewhere on here, that to access the 'workings' of the UCS seats in 6A/K on the B744's, the entire block of UCS seats (ie 6A-12A) has to be removed first which I would think will take time and mean the A/C out of service for a couple of days. Only my guess though, although all stations should be made aware when a seat is out of service.

Regards
#385571 by willd
07 Dec 2006, 12:18
Originally posted by mitchja
Good TR thanks [y]

I'm not taking sides here, but I think the problem is that VS MAN/LGW op's are so tight at the moment with not a lot of room for A/C going tech, plus I'm sure I read somewhere on here, that to access the 'workings' of the UCS seats in 6A/K on the B744's, the entire block of UCS seats (ie 6A-12A) has to be removed first which I would think will take time and mean the A/C out of service for a couple of days. Only my guess though, although all stations should be made aware when a seat is out of service.

Regards


Far enough but then why do they keep booking people into seat 6A if they know it is out of service as Honey Lamb has showed. Surely the FSM's on now 4 flights have filed this in there post trip report.

It is a shame that VS continually let themselves down on these b+s routes- after all quite often these routes are more expensive than ex LHR services.
#385593 by easygoingeezer
07 Dec 2006, 16:15
I am one of the select 6a suite victims, lol. I actually checked in 24 hours before AND was at the airport 6 hours early, didn't know about the suite untill my second glass of bubbly and about to put my pj's on.

They gave me 50,000 airmiles, as of yet still waiting for my reply from Virgin management office who saifd they had passed my letter addressed to Sir RB on to someone who would contact me. Been two weeks now.

If it were just me that would be bad enough but to have this happen to multiple pax is atrocious.

Prehaps others should write to Sir RB about the sad state of a supposedly premium upper class product which appears to be sold
to people under false pretences.
#385604 by djh
07 Dec 2006, 21:08
not looking good for us then in january [:(!] we've booked 6&7 A&K been onto VA website to change my choice and none available[?]
#385746 by Paul H
08 Dec 2006, 19:42
plus I'm sure I read somewhere on here, that to access the 'workings' of the UCS seats in 6A/K on the B744's, the entire block of UCS seats (ie 6A-12A) has to be removed first

Sounds like a poor design if this is the case. Maybe the designers thought that the seats wouldn`t need any routine maintenance. When a designer knows something is going to be operated day in day out in a certain way, the product should be subject to a test rig that simulates this movement so that a failure time/mode can be predicted and maintenance scheduled accordingly.
It would be interesting to see/hear what seat service life testing Virgin carried out prior to introduction.

Wait a minute though, I have a real off the wall idea regarding the MAN seats. I think Virgin should use the same seat maintenance techniques they use on the LHR aircraft[|:)]. I know it is wacky and ridiculous, but it might just work[:?].

My TR from April had 6A doing things it shouldn`t, maybe this was the start of it`s demise?
#385756 by djh
08 Dec 2006, 20:12
having read these trip reports i emailed virgin expressing my concern as we have booked seats 6/7 A&K asking them about the lack of maintenance due to it being broken for many trips and this was their response

Dear Ms Hughes,

Thank you for your email.

In general, if a particular seat on our aircraft is broken, the aircraft will go into maintenance during the turn around period, where the problem will be fixed. We would not continue to offer a product that is not operating in full, as it is appreciated that this is poor customer service and as a result, will reflect poorly on Virgin Atlantic as an airline.

Virgin Atlantic prides itself on excellent customer care and our passengers needs are always our first concern. Our aim is to make sure that flying with us is a truly pleasurable experience. Although we cannot guarantee you will have a perfect and flawless journey, we will do everything in our power to ensure your experience is a positive one and that you will want to fly with us again!

We are aware that there are instances when a lapse of service has been experienced by our passengers. We encourage passengers to contact our Customer Relations department regarding any instances where the service has been less than exemplary. When passengers advise us of their concerns, we will do our utmost to rectify the situation and provide any necessary compensation.

However, we do also receive a great deal of compliments and awards for the high level of service that many of our passengers experience when flying with Virgin Atlantic. A list of our recent travel awards can be found on our website from the enclosed link -

http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/allabout ... awards.jsp

Many of these awards are based upon survey polls submitted by passengers themselves, whose experience has been so emphatic that they have taken the time to submit their views and positive experiences when flying with Virgin Atlantic.

Thank you for taking the time to contact us with your concerns and we look forward to welcoming you onboard your forthcoming flight.

Kind regards


Contact Centre Customer Service Team [:?]
#385758 by ukcobra
08 Dec 2006, 20:17
Claire was the contact who resolved my SFO complaint in the most appropriate way, after the Indian team failed to adequately respond to my concerns. I believe she is very well suited to the CCC Service Team, empathatic and willing to take ownership. Glad to hear she is still there.
#385761 by honey lamb
08 Dec 2006, 20:55
Erm, I think the post may be edited as VS staff names are not used without the owner's permission [V]
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