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#437013 by thelaceys
03 Mar 2008, 15:22
Originally posted by virgin is the best
I am half way through the book and find some of it a little far fetched.
Maybe I am working for the wrong airline.Whats with all the drug taking too.


Glad someone has challenged some of the content of the book. I have been a bit hesitant to say anything.[:?]

After reading the book at Christmas I was to be honest very shocked and extremely worried about the sort of people who are responsible for our safety onboard.[:0]

Drug taking, smashing up of crew stop over accommodation showing a clear disregard for right and wrong, theft of alcohol from aircraft and complete immaturity and general shameful behaviour.[V]

Don't get me wrong, I can have a laugh with the best of them and I was prepared for the worst from the outset, but the goings on in this book are shocking to say the least and a cause for concern, there is absolutely no excuse for this kind of behaviour, or am I being very very naive.

I am hoping that really this has been written tougue in cheek in order to sell and perhaps embroidered somewhat.

All that said, an entertaining read and I will be buying the next one too, just to see what else they could possibly get up to[:w]

That's it I've had my say.

thelaceys
#677013 by thelaceys
03 Mar 2008, 15:22
Originally posted by virgin is the best
I am half way through the book and find some of it a little far fetched.
Maybe I am working for the wrong airline.Whats with all the drug taking too.


Glad someone has challenged some of the content of the book. I have been a bit hesitant to say anything.[:?]

After reading the book at Christmas I was to be honest very shocked and extremely worried about the sort of people who are responsible for our safety onboard.[:0]

Drug taking, smashing up of crew stop over accommodation showing a clear disregard for right and wrong, theft of alcohol from aircraft and complete immaturity and general shameful behaviour.[V]

Don't get me wrong, I can have a laugh with the best of them and I was prepared for the worst from the outset, but the goings on in this book are shocking to say the least and a cause for concern, there is absolutely no excuse for this kind of behaviour, or am I being very very naive.

I am hoping that really this has been written tougue in cheek in order to sell and perhaps embroidered somewhat.

All that said, an entertaining read and I will be buying the next one too, just to see what else they could possibly get up to[:w]

That's it I've had my say.

thelaceys
#437084 by Liz and Julie
03 Mar 2008, 23:00
Hi there VITB

Maybe a little far-fetched? Perhaps, but take twenty-four years (between us) of working in one of the maddest jobs ever and condense it in to 160 thousand words and it will seem that way! Don't worry, there are plenty of dull and tedious days too, but who wants to read about that? And you are not working for the wrong airline, you are working for a fantastic airline, but your next comment made us chuckle!

Who has been 'taking drugs'? That's outrageous! Oh yeah! Bob Marley, John Lennon, Jesus Christ, Aldous Huxley, Pablo Picasso, Joni Mitchell, Abraham Lincoln, Art Garfunkel, Bill Gates, WB Yeats, Bill Clinton, Steve Jobs, Alexander Dumas, Anthony Eden, Peter Fonda, Sigmund Freud, Victor Hugo, Carl Sagan, Queen Victoria, Robert Louis Stevenson, Jean-Paul Sartre, to name a very small few! Oh, and a fella we really love and admire who owns a massive international airline, and is a right funky dude who built his empire on the great ideas and mind expansion that comes from smoking a bit of weed to chill out, relax and think interesting things.

Come on, we were honest about this and expected someone, somewhere to disapprove. It's an emotive subject, a huge debate in itself, and a topic we have fluid ideas on. We are prepared to listen to other sides of the story happily. If, that is, the ideas are well reasoned, well prepared and come from a source that is credible. What we don't do is listen to knee jerk, media led shock chatter and condemnation. (No industry is more saturated with and fuelled by drugs than the media. Got to admire that hypocrisy, it's really quite breathtaking!)

To an older generation, saying the word 'drug' is like sticking them with a pin, a really bad and shocking four-letter word. It makes them think of skanky, track marked dreggy scroats with needles hanging out of their arms. Say that same word to our generation, our age group, our friends, our colleagues, our social network, and it's like tickling them with a feather. They think of clubs, parties, laughs, great music, open minds and good times. You must learn the difference between soft and hard 'drug' use. It's the difference between someone who enjoys a few drinks with friends and a hardened alcoholic. (Yet this drug, Alcohol, is perfectly acceptable, joked about, discussed openly, encouraged. We even glamorise it for children, saying, 'Are you drunk!' when they fall. We both consider alcohol to be one of the most dangerous and unpredictable drugs, yet our world is awash with it. Sometimes our passengers are awash with it. Very often on night stops, our crew are too. But that's fine as long as it's out of the body to fly, as it's all legal and beautifully taxable!)

We will not believe you do not have a drug of choice. (alcohol, nicotine, promiscuous sex, sleeping tablets, gambling, take your pick) When you fly you cannot be so pure and sniffy about human conduct. (You certainly shouldn't be or you will be ineffective in your role of carer of worldwide human nature.) If you are pure, we salute you, you are special but in the minority. We neither condemn nor condone the use of recreationals, it's an individual choice. You have never taken anything? Never tried anything? Stayed entirely away from the 80% of the British population that have? Good on you if you have, but then you are not the one to get on your high horse about this. Never take drug advice from someone who has never taken drugs. That's like taking sex tips off a virgin. And please don't say 'I disapprove because my cousin/friend/sister took drugs and now they are a drug addict.' Yes, and Julie's cousin had her first sweet sherry at a wedding and now she's an alcoholic. And my friend had sex with a new boyfriend and got pregnant. But would you ban sherry and sex for the rest of us? No, you wouldn't, but they are just as damaging and dangerous if used incorrectly. All of the pleasures are. Prohibition of any of them does not work; it just makes them more appealing.

We have never, ever been under the influence while working; we have never, ever taken a day off because of it. We have had a wonderful time, great experiences, met amazing people, opened our eyes and educated ourselves to a high degree about what 'drug use' entails, it's dangers and the myths that surround it. We thought that perhaps you objected to us mentioning this behaviour in reference to our profession, and that we can understand. Unfortunately instead of being cool about it, here in this forum you have highlighted it, so perhaps that's not it at all. We would really like to know the reason, maybe you could email us privately and we'll happily hear all you have to say. To make a sweeping statement here will not chastise us though, we are far too well up on our beliefs, lives and experiences for anyone to shame us. We are just not ashamed, and we are not ashamed because we are intelligent, hard working, tax paying, and life loving women who have never once been in trouble with the law.

VTIB, it's all around you, it will never end, and it will never diminish. Because people like it, you may not like that they like it, and perhaps you know best.
For you, absolutely yes, but not for anybody else.

And hello thelaceys! Yes, sorry about some of the things we wrote about, we may have swamped you with naughty stuff and you may have missed all the amazing things we wrote about flying, aviation and the people who do this job. (Lately we have been in a hotel where a Middle Eastern crew behaved really badly, and you know, they had a religious background. We were going to write about it, but we may reconsider!) But we would be sad to think that you passed over the hard, hard work we all do, the kindness, the dedication and the devotion we show and what we go through to fly. Perhaps the camaraderie and the team spirit were lost within the misbehaviour, but in an industry as vast and worldwide as ours there will always be something going on. We were very baffled when we read what you said about smashing up hotels, but we remembered about the girl who put her stiletto through the TV and the Pilots who brought down the curtain pelmet. But they were both accidents! There was no malice, and we all loved staying at that hotel, plus it wasn't us!

If the truth was told about every profession, you may be very afraid to call the police, go to a hospital, believe a newspaper, support a politician. Maybe ignorance is bliss? But thank you so much for reading us again in the future. Maybe you did enjoy our book really despite your unease, and we do very much appreciate your opinions because we knew this would be controversial. It is the ying and yang of life, and for everyone who reads it and loves it, the same number will hate it. If we could tip the balance completely to the former we would be very wealthy women indeed!

Big post! We don't know if here is the place to debate these huge topics, but they are certainly interesting and engaging, stimulating and challenging.

Love,

Liz & Julie x
#677084 by Liz and Julie
03 Mar 2008, 23:00
Hi there VITB

Maybe a little far-fetched? Perhaps, but take twenty-four years (between us) of working in one of the maddest jobs ever and condense it in to 160 thousand words and it will seem that way! Don't worry, there are plenty of dull and tedious days too, but who wants to read about that? And you are not working for the wrong airline, you are working for a fantastic airline, but your next comment made us chuckle!

Who has been 'taking drugs'? That's outrageous! Oh yeah! Bob Marley, John Lennon, Jesus Christ, Aldous Huxley, Pablo Picasso, Joni Mitchell, Abraham Lincoln, Art Garfunkel, Bill Gates, WB Yeats, Bill Clinton, Steve Jobs, Alexander Dumas, Anthony Eden, Peter Fonda, Sigmund Freud, Victor Hugo, Carl Sagan, Queen Victoria, Robert Louis Stevenson, Jean-Paul Sartre, to name a very small few! Oh, and a fella we really love and admire who owns a massive international airline, and is a right funky dude who built his empire on the great ideas and mind expansion that comes from smoking a bit of weed to chill out, relax and think interesting things.

Come on, we were honest about this and expected someone, somewhere to disapprove. It's an emotive subject, a huge debate in itself, and a topic we have fluid ideas on. We are prepared to listen to other sides of the story happily. If, that is, the ideas are well reasoned, well prepared and come from a source that is credible. What we don't do is listen to knee jerk, media led shock chatter and condemnation. (No industry is more saturated with and fuelled by drugs than the media. Got to admire that hypocrisy, it's really quite breathtaking!)

To an older generation, saying the word 'drug' is like sticking them with a pin, a really bad and shocking four-letter word. It makes them think of skanky, track marked dreggy scroats with needles hanging out of their arms. Say that same word to our generation, our age group, our friends, our colleagues, our social network, and it's like tickling them with a feather. They think of clubs, parties, laughs, great music, open minds and good times. You must learn the difference between soft and hard 'drug' use. It's the difference between someone who enjoys a few drinks with friends and a hardened alcoholic. (Yet this drug, Alcohol, is perfectly acceptable, joked about, discussed openly, encouraged. We even glamorise it for children, saying, 'Are you drunk!' when they fall. We both consider alcohol to be one of the most dangerous and unpredictable drugs, yet our world is awash with it. Sometimes our passengers are awash with it. Very often on night stops, our crew are too. But that's fine as long as it's out of the body to fly, as it's all legal and beautifully taxable!)

We will not believe you do not have a drug of choice. (alcohol, nicotine, promiscuous sex, sleeping tablets, gambling, take your pick) When you fly you cannot be so pure and sniffy about human conduct. (You certainly shouldn't be or you will be ineffective in your role of carer of worldwide human nature.) If you are pure, we salute you, you are special but in the minority. We neither condemn nor condone the use of recreationals, it's an individual choice. You have never taken anything? Never tried anything? Stayed entirely away from the 80% of the British population that have? Good on you if you have, but then you are not the one to get on your high horse about this. Never take drug advice from someone who has never taken drugs. That's like taking sex tips off a virgin. And please don't say 'I disapprove because my cousin/friend/sister took drugs and now they are a drug addict.' Yes, and Julie's cousin had her first sweet sherry at a wedding and now she's an alcoholic. And my friend had sex with a new boyfriend and got pregnant. But would you ban sherry and sex for the rest of us? No, you wouldn't, but they are just as damaging and dangerous if used incorrectly. All of the pleasures are. Prohibition of any of them does not work; it just makes them more appealing.

We have never, ever been under the influence while working; we have never, ever taken a day off because of it. We have had a wonderful time, great experiences, met amazing people, opened our eyes and educated ourselves to a high degree about what 'drug use' entails, it's dangers and the myths that surround it. We thought that perhaps you objected to us mentioning this behaviour in reference to our profession, and that we can understand. Unfortunately instead of being cool about it, here in this forum you have highlighted it, so perhaps that's not it at all. We would really like to know the reason, maybe you could email us privately and we'll happily hear all you have to say. To make a sweeping statement here will not chastise us though, we are far too well up on our beliefs, lives and experiences for anyone to shame us. We are just not ashamed, and we are not ashamed because we are intelligent, hard working, tax paying, and life loving women who have never once been in trouble with the law.

VTIB, it's all around you, it will never end, and it will never diminish. Because people like it, you may not like that they like it, and perhaps you know best.
For you, absolutely yes, but not for anybody else.

And hello thelaceys! Yes, sorry about some of the things we wrote about, we may have swamped you with naughty stuff and you may have missed all the amazing things we wrote about flying, aviation and the people who do this job. (Lately we have been in a hotel where a Middle Eastern crew behaved really badly, and you know, they had a religious background. We were going to write about it, but we may reconsider!) But we would be sad to think that you passed over the hard, hard work we all do, the kindness, the dedication and the devotion we show and what we go through to fly. Perhaps the camaraderie and the team spirit were lost within the misbehaviour, but in an industry as vast and worldwide as ours there will always be something going on. We were very baffled when we read what you said about smashing up hotels, but we remembered about the girl who put her stiletto through the TV and the Pilots who brought down the curtain pelmet. But they were both accidents! There was no malice, and we all loved staying at that hotel, plus it wasn't us!

If the truth was told about every profession, you may be very afraid to call the police, go to a hospital, believe a newspaper, support a politician. Maybe ignorance is bliss? But thank you so much for reading us again in the future. Maybe you did enjoy our book really despite your unease, and we do very much appreciate your opinions because we knew this would be controversial. It is the ying and yang of life, and for everyone who reads it and loves it, the same number will hate it. If we could tip the balance completely to the former we would be very wealthy women indeed!

Big post! We dont know if here is the place to debate these huge topics, but they are certainly interesting and engaging, stimulating and challenging.

Love,

Liz & Julie x
#437088 by Nottingham Nick
03 Mar 2008, 23:33
I have never posted on V-Flyer with my job hat on, and this is actually my personal view not my professional one.

I didn't read all of your post (just like I didn't read all of your book), but I would point out that whatever your views about cannabis, it is still illegal in this country to possess, use or supply a class C controlled drug - which is what cannabis is.

This is certainly not the forum to be discussing the rights and wrongs of the law, but the other acts you compare smoking cannabis to (alcohol, nicotine, promiscuous sex, sleeping tablets, gambling,) are (rightly or wrongly) not subject to the same legislation. If you want to read about the law this is one of the many websites on the subject.

I see the horrible effects of drugs and alcohol daily when I am at work, and I don't really want to spend my leisure time reading about the antics of people who glamorise mind altering substances. You are by no means the only people who do this, and you are nowhere close to being the worst offenders, but it was still enough to make me give up on your book after only a few chapters.

I find your views on addiction in the above post naive to say the least, but again that discussion is all for a different forum.

I know lots of people have enjoyed your book, some will even look to you as role models. Just don't be surprised if not everyone is amused by your antics.

Good luck with your future volumes.

Nick
#677088 by Nottingham Nick
03 Mar 2008, 23:33
I have never posted on V-Flyer with my job hat on, and this is actually my personal view not my professional one.

I didn't read all of your post (just like I didn't read all of your book), but I would point out that whatever your views about cannabis, it is still illegal in this country to possess, use or supply a class C controlled drug - which is what cannabis is.

This is certainly not the forum to be discussing the rights and wrongs of the law, but the other acts you compare smoking cannabis to (alcohol, nicotine, promiscuous sex, sleeping tablets, gambling,) are (rightly or wrongly) not subject to the same legislation. If you want to read about the law this is one of the many websites on the subject.

I see the horrible effects of drugs and alcohol daily when I am at work, and I don't really want to spend my leisure time reading about the antics of people who glamorise mind altering substances. You are by no means the only people who do this, and you are nowhere close to being the worst offenders, but it was still enough to make me give up on your book after only a few chapters.

I find your views on addiction in the above post naive to say the least, but again that discussion is all for a different forum.

I know lots of people have enjoyed your book, some will even look to you as role models. Just don't be surprised if not everyone is amused by your antics.

Good luck with your future volumes.

Nick
#437098 by Scarlet46
04 Mar 2008, 00:18
[8D]Hey........... this book is on its way to me
after reading all the reviews about how good it is, bought it from amazon
Am i too old to enjoy it?
dont mind a bit of alcohol in fact more than a bit
I was looking forward to a good read and a massive laugh
Scarlet
#677098 by Scarlet46
04 Mar 2008, 00:18
[8D]Hey........... this book is on its way to me
after reading all the reviews about how good it is, bought it from amazon
Am i too old to enjoy it?
dont mind a bit of alcohol in fact more than a bit
I was looking forward to a good read and a massive laugh
Scarlet
#437101 by Liz and Julie
04 Mar 2008, 00:43
Nick, everything you have said above is correct, and we thank you for it. We could have written without any mention of it, but it didn't feel the right thing to do. Unrealistic for our generation. To give a full and fair response on this matter was always going to be risky. We don't think we glamorised it, and we are certainly not role models, we just wrote about life in a very open way. Without antics there would be nothing to say, and someone has to tell the stories of life.

This is why 'Netherlands' is our sample chapter, it gives everyone the chance to see if this book is for them before they open it. Plus the site ( and links included there) you recommend is ideal to further this debate, and it can go there with our blessing. What is it that you do Nick? We'll go through the profile perhaps and talk further.

Love

Liz & Julie x
#677101 by Liz and Julie
04 Mar 2008, 00:43
Nick, everything you have said above is correct, and we thank you for it. We could have written without any mention of it, but it didn't feel the right thing to do. Unrealistic for our generation. To give a full and fair response on this matter was always going to be risky. We don't think we glamorised it, and we are certainly not role models, we just wrote about life in a very open way. Without antics there would be nothing to say, and someone has to tell the stories of life.

This is why 'Netherlands' is our sample chapter, it gives everyone the chance to see if this book is for them before they open it. Plus the site ( and links included there) you recommend is ideal to further this debate, and it can go there with our blessing. What is it that you do Nick? We'll go through the profile perhaps and talk further.

Love

Liz & Julie x
#437170 by Nottingham Nick
04 Mar 2008, 19:29
I have moved this thread to the off topic area. Not because I want to stifle debate - far from it - robust debate is good. [:D] However, the debate is less and less (in fact - nothing) to do with Virgin Atlantic - hence the move.

We clearly have a difference of opinion girls.

My viewpoint is a fairly simplistic one. I am not putting myself on a pedestal as some sort of moral guardian, but we live in a free society , that is governed by rules and laws.

Because we are a free society, we have choices when it come to these rules that we don't like or agree with. We can either use the democratic process and protest against them. Then, if enough people agree with us, the laws / rules will be changed - history is full of examples of this happening.

Our second choice when we don't agree with a law, is to ignore it. If we take the latter option however, then we have to accept; firstly, that people may not agree with us and secondly, that if we are caught breaking the law, we will be punished.

In the case of personal use of cannabis, this will normally amount to a very light tap on the wrists, but it is still a recorded punishment.

These are my personal views. Yours, of course, may vary. [;)]

Nick
#677170 by Nottingham Nick
04 Mar 2008, 19:29
I have moved this thread to the off topic area. Not because I want to stifle debate - far from it - robust debate is good. [:D] However, the debate is less and less (in fact - nothing) to do with Virgin Atlantic - hence the move.

We clearly have a difference of opinion girls.

My viewpoint is a fairly simplistic one. I am not putting myself on a pedestal as some sort of moral guardian, but we live in a free society , that is governed by rules and laws.

Because we are a free society, we have choices when it come to these rules that we don't like or agree with. We can either use the democratic process and protest against them. Then, if enough people agree with us, the laws / rules will be changed - history is full of examples of this happening.

Our second choice when we don't agree with a law, is to ignore it. If we take the latter option however, then we have to accept; firstly, that people may not agree with us and secondly, that if we are caught breaking the law, we will be punished.

In the case of personal use of cannabis, this will normally amount to a very light tap on the wrists, but it is still a recorded punishment.

These are my personal views. Yours, of course, may vary. [;)]

Nick
#437195 by Liz and Julie
04 Mar 2008, 22:10
Can we still private message you? We've had a long chat today with two important people in our lives. Our agent who is a retired Policeman, and another supporter of ours, also retired from the Police force. We have their views, but theirs are not as quite as 'lawful' as your own. Would you help us? We need the balance, and you are excellent at reasoning. This is for a very good reason, which we will explain.

Love,

Liz & Julie x
#677195 by Liz and Julie
04 Mar 2008, 22:10
Can we still private message you? We've had a long chat today with two important people in our lives. Our agent who is a retired Policeman, and another supporter of ours, also retired from the Police force. We have their views, but theirs are not as quite as 'lawful' as your own. Would you help us? We need the balance, and you are excellent at reasoning. This is for a very good reason, which we will explain.

Love,

Liz & Julie x
#437211 by Bazz
05 Mar 2008, 00:37
I think continuing this discussion between you via PM is a very good idea.
#677211 by Bazz
05 Mar 2008, 00:37
I think continuing this discussion between you via PM is a very good idea.
#437296 by FlyCC
06 Mar 2008, 05:43
My mother's one of these frail BA CSD girls who's been in the sky for so long she knows her Captain's names better than those of her own children. She loves the book and so do I.

I don't think it's too farfetched at all; it's about life and what gets thrown at us. There are so many stories to tell and so many exciting ways of describing the happenings of just one day in the life that some things might seem fanciful and bizarre. When I was sixteen, I got deported, had the British HC looking for me and ended up partying in Mombassa all in the same day. This stuff happens.

Drugs will never be a good topic but I admire how straight it is perhaps adding character to themselves and the book. Maybe it's glamorised to some affect but then even teenage dramas do the same on television and this is targeted at an older audience.

It's hard I suppose, it won't be for everyone but I don't think any mention of drug taking or promiscuous behaviour is enough to put off who the book was wrote for and I don't mean just crew. As I said, my mother loved it too.

When I get the next book I'm going to try and ration it out, a paragraph a day or something! Haha.
#677296 by FlyCC
06 Mar 2008, 05:43
My mother's one of these frail BA CSD girls who's been in the sky for so long she knows her Captain's names better than those of her own children. She loves the book and so do I.

I don't think it's too farfetched at all; it's about life and what gets thrown at us. There are so many stories to tell and so many exciting ways of describing the happenings of just one day in the life that some things might seem fanciful and bizarre. When I was sixteen, I got deported, had the British HC looking for me and ended up partying in Mombassa all in the same day. This stuff happens.

Drugs will never be a good topic but I admire how straight it is perhaps adding character to themselves and the book. Maybe it's glamorised to some affect but then even teenage dramas do the same on television and this is targeted at an older audience.

It's hard I suppose, it won't be for everyone but I don't think any mention of drug taking or promiscuous behaviour is enough to put off who the book was wrote for and I don't mean just crew. As I said, my mother loved it too.

When I get the next book I'm going to try and ration it out, a paragraph a day or something! Haha.
#437367 by Liz and Julie
07 Mar 2008, 03:21
It's on it's way chick, and thank you for your great words. Often we're finding honesty is not the best policy! We won't be giving it up though, we like it, it's a nice word for a good trait. But the book is a total success, and has been loved. The generation it was written for have no problem with any of it.

Your mum sounds a right good girl Send her our love, it's ladies like her who make flying a pleasure. She'll know there is no malice in Crew shenanigans, as this job gets harder and more stressful they must be expected, and more importantly accepted with some degree of tut tut indulgence. 'Larking' is a release valve, and a fantastic good laugh too for the most part. Passengers will always get excellent safety to the best standards of any mode of transport, devoted and attentive service, and commitment and dedication to their care from an amazing group of people.

Forgive us for our misbehaviour, but we work with the travelling public! They can be gorgeous and grotesque within two seats of each other.

Right! Back to work on our next shocking masterpiece! No one can accuse us of being lazy wasters, and we are so looking forward to proving it in a very exciting way.

Big sky smiles, and mile highs to you all,


Liz & Jue xxx
#677367 by Liz and Julie
07 Mar 2008, 03:21
It's on it's way chick, and thank you for your great words. Often we're finding honesty is not the best policy! We won't be giving it up though, we like it, it's a nice word for a good trait. But the book is a total success, and has been loved. The generation it was written for have no problem with any of it.

Your mum sounds a right good girl Send her our love, it's ladies like her who make flying a pleasure. She'll know there is no malice in Crew shenanigans, as this job gets harder and more stressful they must be expected, and more importantly accepted with some degree of tut tut indulgence. 'Larking' is a release valve, and a fantastic good laugh too for the most part. Passengers will always get excellent safety to the best standards of any mode of transport, devoted and attentive service, and commitment and dedication to their care from an amazing group of people.

Forgive us for our misbehaviour, but we work with the travelling public! They can be gorgeous and grotesque within two seats of each other.

Right! Back to work on our next shocking masterpiece! No one can accuse us of being lazy wasters, and we are so looking forward to proving it in a very exciting way.

Big sky smiles, and mile highs to you all,


Liz & Jue xxx
#437374 by clarkeysntfc
07 Mar 2008, 09:56
I've ordered mine off Amazon with the intention of using it to keep me amused on our RTW trip in July. Whether or not i'll be able to stop myself picking it up before then is another matter!
#677374 by clarkeysntfc
07 Mar 2008, 09:56
I've ordered mine off Amazon with the intention of using it to keep me amused on our RTW trip in July. Whether or not i'll be able to stop myself picking it up before then is another matter!
#437457 by n/a
08 Mar 2008, 18:58
Frankly, I'm too stoned right now to give a damn. I love everyone.

GJ
#677457 by n/a
08 Mar 2008, 18:58
Frankly, I'm too stoned right now to give a damn. I love everyone.

GJ
#438028 by Liz and Julie
14 Mar 2008, 12:16
Bad and naughty. We have learned not to approve of such conduct, but it sounds like you had a pleasant evening!

xxx
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