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#19057 by honey lamb
29 Apr 2007, 22:52
This morning we were awakened by the news that our prime minister trotted over to our president at 8:00am, dragged her away from her porridge and got her to dissolve the Daíl (parliament to most of you), thereby calling a general election. The only thing that surprised us in all of this was the fact that it happened on a Sunday and at the crack of dawn but then she was due to leave at 9:00am for a week's state visit to America and wouldn't be round to sign the necessary papers. Why he didn't do it sooner, God alone knows. It's not as if he didn't know she was going to the States - after all it is a state visit and in any case our Constitution requires the prsident to seek the permission of the government to leave the country. Nor was it a "snap" election. We are due for a general election since this government's term of office is due to expire in June and the question has been not "if" but "when". The signs of electioneering have been around for some time as various candidates have been selected to run in the constituencies and the politicos have been posturing and setting out their stalls. Leaflets have been pushed through the door along with the morning post and have been instantly transferred to the recycling bin. Dirt has been dug up, muck raked over and the slinging contest started some weeks, nay months ago. Most of us yawned, turned over and went to sleep as the press grabbed hold of and teased their way into any minutiae of any potential scandals of our masters.

So after months of being under starters orders the signal has been given and they're off! Aer John took a break from his studies this evening and went golfing only to report that the posters were being affixed there and then to the various telegraph poles along the highways and byways into town. Fortunately they are banned within the town and any who are misguided enough to flout that find that the said banners are removed almost instantaneously. That is a huge relief to me. I'll never forget the time a banner was affixed on a pole just outside my bedroom window so that every time I opened the curtains in the morning the said candidate was leering in at me [:0] When he came canvassing I took great pride in complaining about a Peeping Tom. He huffed and puffed and tutted, told me I should go to the police and asked me if I knew his identity. Smiling sweetly I pointed at the poster. I don't think I've ever seen a politician clear my door so fast :D

I digress! This evening I was watching television when there came a knock on the door. Yup! It was the politicians beginning to canvass. "We thought we'd be the first", he said smiling sweetly. I was caught on the hop and I'm still kicking myself that I didn't tell him he was the fifth!!
#169979 by McCoy
29 Apr 2007, 23:09
I was in Dublin last week, and yeah I was amazed at the amount of big billboard posters, with big toothy grins looks back at me. "Vote for me.. I'm not quite as bad as some of the others.."

Meanwhile here my letter-box is plagued by junk mail or "manifesto leaflets" as some call them. I'm getting several per day.. how many blinkin' candidates are there here?!
#169986 by stuart101
29 Apr 2007, 23:46
you have my deepest sympathy. I would suggest booking a trip somewhere, (anywhere) until the whole thing is over.

Failing that, prepare for seige conditions, never answer the telephone or the door and hibernate.[|)]
#169988 by honey lamb
29 Apr 2007, 23:56
Originally posted by stuart101
you have my deepest sympathy. I would suggest booking a trip somewhere, (anywhere) until the whole thing is over.

Failing that, prepare for seige conditions, never answer the telephone or the door and hibernate.[|)]

Alas, much as I would like to avail of your suggestion of fleeing the country it is an impossibility. The election is May 24 and Aer John's exams (the equivalent of A levels) begin on June 6 and I feel I must be a good mother and be there for him for that and also especially as it will be his first time of voting. I must be there to tell him not to vote for that shower of ******** [:w] without disenfranchising him entirely [:?]

I have however decided I do need a break from it all and will escape the country for a long weekend just before the election. London beckons [y]
#170003 by porsche911
30 Apr 2007, 10:44
As I drove to work this morning all I could feel was "eyes" following you from all the damn posters hung all over the place. One is as blooming ugly as the other. Lets hope for a quick May so we dont have to listen to all the "bull" for long.
#170010 by mdvipond
30 Apr 2007, 11:42
I'm clearly quite odd - I rather like elections. Even the local ones. I'm planning on staying up this coming Thursday night/Friday morning to watch the results come in. Sad isn't it.? Mind you, worth it if we get to see Blair squirm and wriggle when the (predicted) results come in. That's assuming he doesn't resign tomorrow...
#170013 by Darren Wheeler
30 Apr 2007, 11:56
Originally posted by mdvipond
I'm clearly quite odd - I rather like elections. Even the local ones. I'm planning on staying up this coming Thursday night/Friday morning to watch the results come in.



You could have a long wait. Many councils won't start counting until Friday morning and results won't be known until the afternoon at the earliest. I know where I'll be..[|)][|)]
#170019 by mdvipond
30 Apr 2007, 12:31
Fair point, but you normally find the first of the results coming in in the early hours, and these are usually a good indicator as to how the rest will go. It can be awfully exciting you know...
#170025 by willd
30 Apr 2007, 13:20
Originally posted by mdvipond
I'm clearly quite odd - I rather like elections. Even the local ones.



Do not worry your not the only one!! I also have a strange obsession with Fox News which my housemates just cant work out.
#170026 by Neil
30 Apr 2007, 13:40
Originally posted by willd
Originally posted by mdvipond
I'm clearly quite odd - I rather like elections. Even the local ones.



Do not worry your not the only one!! I also have a strange obsession with Fox News which my housemates just cant work out.


Phew - I get the mick taken out of me so much because I like elections, so I am glad I'm not alone. I get very excited by them for some reason and like mdvipond, will wait up until the early hours to see results coming in, christ at one general election I took 2 days off work so I didn't miss anything[:I][:I]
#170041 by mdvipond
30 Apr 2007, 15:51
Originally posted by Attitude23
Phew - I get the mick taken out of me so much because I like elections, so I am glad I'm not alone. I get very excited by them for some reason and like mdvipond, will wait up until the early hours to see results coming in, christ at one general election I took 2 days off work so I didn't miss anything[:I][:I]

After one particular election - you know, I think it may be exactly 10 years ago this week, if memory serves me correctly - I took 2 days off and locked myself in a darkened room in the hope that when I came out it would all prove to have been a bad dream. Sadly, all these years on, it clearly wasn't the case...
#170061 by honey lamb
30 Apr 2007, 19:15
Oh, I don't mind the election itself and as the count takes place locally for the whole constituency, it's rather fun to go up there and mingle with the crowd. What I dislike is the canvassing and the way politicians take credit for things that have happened in their constituency in which they had no hand, act or part.
#170067 by AlanA
30 Apr 2007, 19:56
Originally posted by mdvipond
Originally posted by Attitude23
Phew - I get the mick taken out of me so much because I like elections, so I am glad I'm not alone. I get very excited by them for some reason and like mdvipond, will wait up until the early hours to see results coming in, christ at one general election I took 2 days off work so I didn't miss anything[:I][:I]

After one particular election - you know, I think it may be exactly 10 years ago this week, if memory serves me correctly - I took 2 days off and locked myself in a darkened room in the hope that when I came out it would all prove to have been a bad dream. Sadly, all these years on, it clearly wasn't the case...





Or the party 28 years ago on Friday (actual date, not day) when the blessed came to power...:D
#170083 by MarkJ
30 Apr 2007, 21:32
Why can't we have a box on our ballot paper that allows us to vote for "None of the above" like they have in Australia?
#170101 by HighFlyer
30 Apr 2007, 21:59
Originally posted by MarkJ
Why can't we have a box on our ballot paper that allows us to vote for "None of the above" like they have in Australia?


Be grateful you have the option not to vote. My parents live just outside Brussels and voting is compulsory. My Dad has been forced to spoil his ballot paper on several occasions, as the only vote he feels like making is one for no confidence in the candidates.

Thanks,
Sarah
#170115 by honey lamb
30 Apr 2007, 22:50
Originally posted by MarkJ
Why can't we have a box on our ballot paper that allows us to vote for "None of the above" like they have in Australia?

Over here we have proportional representation which means that we can vote for all out none of the candidates in order of preference. Therefore it is perfectly possible to return a blank ballot paper but that would be counted as a spoilt vote in determining the quota which a candidate must reach to be elected.

The late Mr honey lamb was a Returning Officer for several elections and was entitled to be present at the count. Some of the comments written on the spoilt votes were hilarious, ranging from "I'm not voting for that shower of ********" to "I'm not voting for him. He was seen coming out of Mrs X's house at 3 o'clock in the morning" and also "I'm not voting for someone who drives a Toyota. He should buy local and drive a Ford*"

*Ford produced cars in Cork at the time and were under threat of closure and Henry Ford's ancestors came from 3 miles down the road!
#170148 by willd
01 May 2007, 10:28
Originally posted by Attitude23

Phew - I get the mick taken out of me so much because I like elections, so I am glad I'm not alone. I get very excited by them for some reason and like mdvipond, will wait up until the early hours to see results coming in, christ at one general election I took 2 days off work so I didn't miss anything[:I][:I]


Nothing quite like seeing the votes come in. I have learnt the hard way to stay up for the whole night- back in 2000 I stupidly went to bed safe in the knowledge that America was now going to make the rest of the world go green......of course I woke in the morning to find out that was not so!
#170152 by mdvipond
01 May 2007, 10:59
Originally posted by AlanA
Originally posted by mdvipond
Originally posted by Attitude23
Phew - I get the mick taken out of me so much because I like elections, so I am glad I'm not alone. I get very excited by them for some reason and like mdvipond, will wait up until the early hours to see results coming in, christ at one general election I took 2 days off work so I didn't miss anything[:I][:I]

After one particular election - you know, I think it may be exactly 10 years ago this week, if memory serves me correctly - I took 2 days off and locked myself in a darkened room in the hope that when I came out it would all prove to have been a bad dream. Sadly, all these years on, it clearly wasn't the case...





Or the party 28 years ago on Friday (actual date, not day) when the blessed came to power...:D

All those years ago, and I can still remember the paraphrasing of one St. Francis of Assisi: "Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope". God love 'er!

What would Blair's version of this be now...?
#170702 by AlanA
05 May 2007, 15:35
Just spent tow nightmare days on Blairs latest "fun to vote" election wheeze.
Our district and the next one to us were part of the pilot scheme of electronic counting of the votes.
Our local wards were at the next council, as their town hall is closer than ours. We get to the town hall for 10pm on thursday night for the supposidly quicker counting of the votes.
The ballot papers for the parish and district elections were A4 size to fit into what you can only describe as looking like photocopy machines.
Supposidly this system is used in Canada and the USA.
The idea was that the ballot papers would be stcked in the machine, they have a bar code for the ward on them and when run through the machine, the paper would be scanned and the vote registered for the appropriate candidate.
Well, first of all, if the voter had folded the paper, this would jam the machine and stop the counting. The operator would have to take the paper out, and try to remove the kink. The whole pile would then again have to be recounted.
By 1:30am, only one ward out of 22 had been scanned.
Then we come to problem No.2
the machine would throw out any votes outside its perameters. these would then have to be checked with the candidates to agree who the vote was for. You normally have one or two spoilt papers and papers where the voter marks outside the box, so the candidates agree that the mark is a vote for x,y, or z, or no vote at all.
Problemwas, this super quick system would only accept a cross squarly in the middle of the box.
The only box which had been totally scanned threw up 700, yes 700 suspect ballot papers which had to be looked at on screens by the candidates one at a time! some 25% of the total votes cast. 1 hour and a half later they were still looking at the papers, or the photos of the papers in the machines memories, (all done in TIFF format!) when the computers crashed.
Our Council was having similar problems and at 2am had pulled the plug on the trial, going back to manual counting Friday morning at 10am.
The council where our votes were, decided to stop and try again on Friday afternoon.
I got home at 4am, only for the alarm to go off at 6am.
Our boxes I got taken back to our own council for manual counting, as I had no trust that the other council would get to our boxes on Friday, as they were persevering with the stupid electronic counting.
We finally got our results at 1pm on Friday.
On a normal manual count we have the results by 2am at the latest. Well done elections commission for this super fast counting system!

The adjoining council abandoned the elctronic count finally at 5pm, with only one result declared and are coming back on Tuesday to carry out a manual count!
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