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#454230 by Juliet
16 Sep 2008, 22:47
Why ask the question, if you already know the answer??
#694230 by Juliet
16 Sep 2008, 22:47
Why ask the question, if you already know the answer??
#454241 by Scrooge
16 Sep 2008, 23:29
I have no idea, the thing is, the poll's here are swinging back and forth...it could get very interesting, I have my own choice, but that stays private.
#694241 by Scrooge
16 Sep 2008, 23:29
I have no idea, the thing is, the poll's here are swinging back and forth...it could get very interesting, I have my own choice, but that stays private.
#454246 by Nottingham Nick
17 Sep 2008, 00:06
I think this is a fascinating race, but made so much more so, by the parallels with the Arnie Vinnick / Matt Santos storyline from the last series of the brilliant West Wing TV drama.

I thought Obama was a sure fire winner, but then he didn't pick Hilary as his VP and McCain suddenly pulled Sarah Palin out of the hat. [:0]

I am no fan of Hilary, but she has a LOT of support, both inside the Democrats and outside the party. If Sarah Palin continues as she started and the press don't find any major skeletons in her closet, then she could swing it for McCain.

Nick
#694246 by Nottingham Nick
17 Sep 2008, 00:06
I think this is a fascinating race, but made so much more so, by the parallels with the Arnie Vinnick / Matt Santos storyline from the last series of the brilliant West Wing TV drama.

I thought Obama was a sure fire winner, but then he didn't pick Hilary as his VP and McCain suddenly pulled Sarah Palin out of the hat. [:0]

I am no fan of Hilary, but she has a LOT of support, both inside the Democrats and outside the party. If Sarah Palin continues as she started and the press don't find any major skeletons in her closet, then she could swing it for McCain.

Nick
#454247 by RichardMannion
17 Sep 2008, 00:14
Not so sure on Palin. Something just doesn't seem right, and I'm seeing some interesting comments regarding TrooperGate.

Obama and Hilary as VP would have been a dream ticket in my book...
#694247 by RichardMannion
17 Sep 2008, 00:14
Not so sure on Palin. Something just doesn't seem right, and I'm seeing some interesting comments regarding TrooperGate.

Obama and Hilary as VP would have been a dream ticket in my book...
#454257 by honey lamb
17 Sep 2008, 00:56
I too have reservations about Palin. She seems too good to be true and I'm sure some facts will emerge before November. She's also very untried politically and the words 'loose cannon' reverberate in my head.
#694257 by honey lamb
17 Sep 2008, 00:56
I too have reservations about Palin. She seems too good to be true and I'm sure some facts will emerge before November. She's also very untried politically and the words 'loose cannon' reverberate in my head.
#454259 by mcmbenjamin
17 Sep 2008, 01:02
50 days to go.

Palin is the best looking; especially versus Hillary.
#694259 by mcmbenjamin
17 Sep 2008, 01:02
50 days to go.

Palin is the best looking; especially versus Hillary.
#454260 by Darren Wheeler
17 Sep 2008, 01:05
Hmmm. I'm waiting for the real mud-slinging to start.

There is definitely something wrong about Palin and why she was chosen.

Is she a fall girl when when it goes wrong 'America wasn't ready for a female VP'!? Very 'Commander-In-Chief' except Gena Davis is better looking.

Given the polls are 50/50 at the moment, someone is going to have to start making break or I can see another Chad-gate about to fall. If that happens and it get to the Supreme Court, no prizes for guessing the winner there.
#694260 by Darren Wheeler
17 Sep 2008, 01:05
Hmmm. I'm waiting for the real mud-slinging to start.

There is definitely something wrong about Palin and why she was chosen.

Is she a fall girl when when it goes wrong 'America wasn't ready for a female VP'!? Very 'Commander-In-Chief' except Gena Davis is better looking.

Given the polls are 50/50 at the moment, someone is going to have to start making break or I can see another Chad-gate about to fall. If that happens and it get to the Supreme Court, no prizes for guessing the winner there.
#454265 by mcmbenjamin
17 Sep 2008, 01:44
It is not a female VP, it is a female President really. :)
#694265 by mcmbenjamin
17 Sep 2008, 01:44
It is not a female VP, it is a female President really. :)
#454268 by Neil
17 Sep 2008, 08:23
I am the opposite it seems, I just do not get Obama, there is something about him that I find hugely off putting. I think Hilary would have made a great President and would have probably been a sure fire winner over McCain, but I just think he has pulled a clever move with Palin, and he might just sneak it.
#694268 by Neil
17 Sep 2008, 08:23
I am the opposite it seems, I just do not get Obama, there is something about him that I find hugely off putting. I think Hilary would have made a great President and would have probably been a sure fire winner over McCain, but I just think he has pulled a clever move with Palin, and he might just sneak it.
#454285 by DarkAuror
17 Sep 2008, 09:52
I believe Hilary has made a deal with Obama, possibly the Secretary of State. I think McCain has picked on the opinions of the disgrunted Hilary supporters who said that they would vote for McCain and therefore he chose Palin.

However, Palin is such unknown quantity and unlike McCain and Obama, she appears to have a lot of skeletons in her closet.

It makes for an interesting contest, I'm waiting for the candidates comments about Lehman Brothers and what they will do with the 'credit crunch' and kickstarting the economy.
#694285 by DarkAuror
17 Sep 2008, 09:52
I believe Hilary has made a deal with Obama, possibly the Secretary of State. I think McCain has picked on the opinions of the disgrunted Hilary supporters who said that they would vote for McCain and therefore he chose Palin.

However, Palin is such unknown quantity and unlike McCain and Obama, she appears to have a lot of skeletons in her closet.

It makes for an interesting contest, I'm waiting for the candidates comments about Lehman Brothers and what they will do with the 'credit crunch' and kickstarting the economy.
#454303 by FamilyMan
17 Sep 2008, 11:50
I think some or the recent gaffs by Obama have caused a few people to question his credentials - it's not so much what he says it's the fact that he didn't realise the way things would be interpreted.

I may not fully agree with JMs politics but I believe B Clinton asked the question about who you would vote for if one canditate offered everything you wanted but was likely to deliver little while the other offered half of what you wanted and was likely to deliver.

Also, I would have thought it was in Hilary's interest to hope for a JM victory as it means she can run again in 2012 - obviously she has to appear to support Obama.

FM
#694303 by FamilyMan
17 Sep 2008, 11:50
I think some or the recent gaffs by Obama have caused a few people to question his credentials - it's not so much what he says it's the fact that he didn't realise the way things would be interpreted.

I may not fully agree with JMs politics but I believe B Clinton asked the question about who you would vote for if one canditate offered everything you wanted but was likely to deliver little while the other offered half of what you wanted and was likely to deliver.

Also, I would have thought it was in Hilary's interest to hope for a JM victory as it means she can run again in 2012 - obviously she has to appear to support Obama.

FM
#454318 by willd
17 Sep 2008, 14:11
I am really torn on this one. I guess if I was American then I would be voting McCain/Palin but...

Obama appeals to me. I think he really appeals to the younger electorate. He is a great orator and rather like Blair back in 1997 is saying things people want to hear.

McCain does little for me. Yes he has a great history but I just think he is way too old for the job. And don't even get me started on Palin. For me Mitt Romney would have been a better candidate but he really couldn't expect to get the nomination after the problems with child abuse and mormons in Texas.

I felt this article summed up a lot of my thoughts quite well.

As for Hillary. Maybe she is going to have the last laugh. So Obama doesn't get in, McCain does. 4 years later its a disaster, Obama cant run again (too expensive/didn't work in 2008) so Hillary gets the nomination. I think if anything she didn't want to be on Obamas ticket as she doesnt want to shot her future chances of being President in the foot.
#694318 by willd
17 Sep 2008, 14:11
I am really torn on this one. I guess if I was American then I would be voting McCain/Palin but...

Obama appeals to me. I think he really appeals to the younger electorate. He is a great orator and rather like Blair back in 1997 is saying things people want to hear.

McCain does little for me. Yes he has a great history but I just think he is way too old for the job. And don't even get me started on Palin. For me Mitt Romney would have been a better candidate but he really couldn't expect to get the nomination after the problems with child abuse and mormons in Texas.

I felt this article summed up a lot of my thoughts quite well.

As for Hillary. Maybe she is going to have the last laugh. So Obama doesn't get in, McCain does. 4 years later its a disaster, Obama cant run again (too expensive/didn't work in 2008) so Hillary gets the nomination. I think if anything she didn't want to be on Obamas ticket as she doesnt want to shot her future chances of being President in the foot.
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