virgin uc refit dates?

The info regarding which a/c are being refitted and in which order has only just been released to staff on our internal confidential website. This info should not be on here and should be removed by moderators for not complying with copyright.

The info regarding which a/c are being refitted and in which order has only just been released to staff on our internal confidential website. This info should not be on here and should be removed by moderators for not complying with copyright.

Keep your hair on!!!!! v(

Its hardly MI5 stuff ?|

The info regarding which a/c are being refitted and in which order has only just been released to staff on our internal confidential website. This info should not be on here and should be removed by moderators for not complying with copyright.

Keep your hair on!!!!! v(

Its hardly MI5 stuff ?|

Indeed and if VS were that concerned about any breach of confidentiality they would have been in touch with Pete by now who would have then removed / edited any 'offending' posts.

[Neil]

Just to clarify there is no copyright issue with the information I have posted as I have not directly copied text from another source.

The info regarding which a/c are being refitted and in which order has only just been released to staff on our internal confidential website. This info should not be on here and should be removed by moderators for not complying with copyright.

I think you might want to take a look at intellectual property law before attempting (and failing) to quote it. No one has breached any copyright laws. I fail to see where a direct source has been 'copied and pasted' into this thread? The only thing that will have been breached is the duty of confidentiality the source owed to VS.

However the information maybe "confidential" however VS will be well aware that as soon as they release the information to staff as a whole on an intranet it will be almost simultaneous leaked outside of the company (intentionally or unintentionally) especially if a third party (i.e.: those undertaking a refit are involved). VS will be aware of all of this.

[mcmbenjamin]

That won't happen - they have to make all classes available on the main deck to ensure that those who can't get upstairs still have the option of every class. So there will definitely be PE on the main deck somewhere, and VS won't reduce the number of PE seats that I am certain of.

Maybe - LH has First only on the top deck. If they ONLY use two jet bridges to board (one bottom, one top) then why not have First on top?

[Scrooge]

The info regarding which a/c are being refitted and in which order has only just been released to staff on our internal confidential website. This info should not be on here and should be removed by moderators for not complying with copyright.

Sadly, your internal website is behind the times, this information was posted on various websites a while ago, before it was posted here.

It's also as noted, not a copyright issue, it's an intellectual property issue, however, as I noted, this information is already out on the net before being posted here.

That won't happen - they have to make all classes available on the main deck to ensure that those who can't get upstairs still have the option of every class. So there will definitely be PE on the main deck somewhere, and VS won't reduce the number of PE seats that I am certain of.

Maybe - LH has First only on the top deck. If they ONLY use two jet bridges to board (one bottom, one top) then why not have First on top?

Just a thought - it may be something to do with the discrimination laws in the country where the aircraft is registered. So in the UK, you have to offer all classes of travel to everyone. Also, the doors on the 747 upper deck open upwards I think - making it very hard (or nigh-on impossible) to dock an air-bridge here.

The info regarding which a/c are being refitted and in which order has only just been released to staff on our internal confidential website. This info should not be on here and should be removed by moderators for not complying with copyright.

Odd a complete stranger told me about it over champers at The Wynn last June.

I agree,why can we not board through the top/upper door. If this is not possible in this country,why have we got them. Just to tease us perhaps.Or is it against somebodys human rights, under the eu. ): If it is for disabled persons,a small lift could be offerd. It is 2011,We do have brains to do this,dont we.No probably against health and safety. i)

[Neil]

I agree,why can we not board through the top/upper door.

Only certain airports have a limited number of stands that can accommodate two level boarding - so it just isn't practical for the airport/airline.

If this is not possible in this country,why have we got them. Just to tease us perhaps.Or is it against somebodys human rights, under the eu. ):

Seriously? Why do we have doors on the upper deck? They are emergency exits ii)

If it is for disabled persons,a small lift could be offerd. It is 2011,We do have brains to do this,dont we.No probably against health and safety. i)

Installing a lift on an a/c just isn't practical - the space it would take up alone means airlines just wouldn't even entertain the idea.

[Darren Wheeler]

Not to mention weight

There is a lift but it's just for carts.

Yes it's not possible to dock an airbridge to the upper deck doors on a 747 as they are gull-wing doors which open out and up then stick out at an angle.

Only on the A380 can an airbridge be connected to upper deck doors.

Think it's mainly to do with US disability laws which is why we have to have all classes available on the main deck - and as we fly to the US our a/c have to comply - remember when VS had to put that small PE section downstairs on the LHR 744 fleet - which was very unpopular with pax who wanted to be sat in the section upstairs and found themselves stuck downstairs.

[Darren Wheeler]

http://ww.airliners.net/aviation-forums ... ain/95367/

The upper deck doors are emergency exits only

Thanks for the comments. I did not know the reason was the shute being in the way. Why do we only use one door to board now,We used to board side and back when we had smaller aircraft, but is was quicker. Can we not hook up to two doors for boarding, yes we would need another ramp, or could we not use stairs aswell.

Thanks for the comments. I did not know the reason was the shute being in the way. Why do we only use one door to board now,We used to board side and back when we had smaller aircraft, but is was quicker. Can we not hook up to two doors for boarding, yes we would need another ramp, or could we not use stairs aswell.

Down to a variety of reasons including the airport operators airbridge set up and the airlines own policy.

AMS is a classic example of an airport where they board their 744's via two airbridges, one that extends over the wing of the 744 (which is rather impressive). As seen here: http://www.airliners.net/photo/KLM-Asia ... 8b211bdd92

I think historically LHR and LGW have always only selected airbridges with one door to board an aircraft on. Other airports, in particular those that are newly built, have had the option of two airbridges docking onto the airport.

Boarding by the back stairs with an airbridge connected to the front does not happen very often, I would imagine this is down to some sort of health and safety issue.

Boarding by stairs front and back does still happen at some airports. SSH for example board 744s via three sets of stairs, doors L1 and L2 plus the back door.

One of the CC regulars on here will be able to provide more information but I would also imagine that VS internal regulations dont allow, currently, for boarding by two airbridges. I could be talking utter rubbish but I believe there has to be a certain number of crew on each entry door and at least one crew member on each closed door during boarding. Certainly that would be why on the 744 upstairs an extra crew member is there during boarding stood by the emergency exits.

Back on OT...

[Neil]

One of the CC regulars on here will be able to provide more information but I would also imagine that VS internal regulations dont allow, currently, for boarding by two airbridges. I could be talking utter rubbish but I believe there has to be a certain number of crew on each entry door and at least one crew member on each closed door during boarding. Certainly that would be why on the 744 upstairs an extra crew member is there during boarding stood by the emergency exits.

Back on OT...

They do sometimes board using two doors from the same airbridge, when flying J ex LHR we have boarded through door L1 whilst Y and W pax boarded as usual from door L2. Although I imagine that is easier to manage then having Y pax boarding from both the front and rear of the a/c, saying that, we did that with Air Jamaica using stairs before.

As far as I can recall, on my LHR flights we've had two bridges front for UC and then middle for PE and Economy. Was slightly disappointed on my MIA trip not to be shown left, but instructed to turn right

Hey, we board where possible through L1 and L2 ex LHR. It seems to happen most flights I operate now from LHR. There has been a huge improvement in our OTP an I belie this is a major factor for that. We also board using stairs through L1 and L2 from 'most' of our Caribbean destinations.

I don't know the official reason for not boarding through stairs at say L4 at LHR although to be honest I think it's just due health and safety/ramp safety reasons. You would probably need a couple of extra staff to Marshall passengers. I don't know of any (correct me if I'm wrong) airlines at LHR that board through rear stairs? LGW is different (EZY sometimes do) however I think it's just a nicer experience to board through a jetbridge (we all know how amazing the British weather is for the majority of the year).

There are exceptions to the rule EWR for example on one of our regular stands we disembark and board through L1....it's always fun trying to do welcome drinks in J when 250 W and Y pax are boarding through there.

G

[honey lamb]

There are exceptions to the rule EWR for example on one of our regular stands we disembark and board through L1....it's always fun trying to do welcome drinks in J when 250 W and Y pax are boarding through there.

G

I believe that at EWR the bridges are not long enough to reach door L2 on the A346 aircraft.

I believe that at EWR the bridges are not long enough to reach door L2 on the A346 aircraft.

That is correct. At EWR the jetbridge will go to L2 on the 744 and 343 and L1 on the 346.