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#929137 by scruickshank
20 Nov 2016, 16:18
Hi Everyone, but especially Oli,

Hi Oli, I really appreciate that you were open enough to post and essentially admit that you read, and I guess value, the opinions of the V Flyer community as lets face it, everyones views on here are surely the most valuable being your biggest supporters.

I used to own a company that was the biggest e-commerce website in the UK for the market sector we were involved in. We never let style get in the way of functionality yet it was a good looking site. For me the seat map is far too subtle, even I struggled to work out the differences, it's a 10min code fix, surely that's an easy one?

I am a huge VA fan, have a real soft spot for their company ethos born by SRB. I hate everything that the corporate juggernaught bully BA represents. In turn, I guess so many of the community here at VV Flyer, share my view. Yes, we will get a bit "arsey" for a better word when the website has essentially broke, but I'm sure I speak for most when I say it's only because we ultimately care and desperately want to see it successful and a brilliant platform. I can imagine it was a monumental task, but it shows that some catastrophic errors have been made. Hopefully, and I'm sure, given time it will all unravel and there will be a product that we can be proud of.

The most important issue for me is this.

"Exciting changes are coming".

It's exactly the sort of tag line I expect from the likes of BA. Please never again dress up a host of negative implementations by hooking them on the tiny odd improvement hidden in the murk. The very nature of the demographic of your customer base are never going to fall for that one.

I have been AU for 4 or 5 years and am such a huge fan I have been looking long into the distance to the 10 year goal. I am one of those customers who is an ambassador for VS, telling all my colleagues and friends all the best bits, think of it as your kind of unauthorised sales team. I suspect there are a few of us out there. I do have choices, I live in Aberdeen (and yes, am still mourning Little Red). But for me to continue to fly VS from LHR is an additional expense and challenge. BA were charging in the now monopoly ABZ-LHR Route £279 one way last week. I simply refuse, so this week, I am Easyjet to LGW, an overnight hotel and private car to LHR just so I can still experience VA Upper Class. I'm also forcing a BAEC AU to come with me. And paying for another colleague to travel too. It would be far cheaper and easier for me to just fly direct from EDI or GLA. But I Don't. I'm happy to throw more money and time to simply show up on your doorstep. It's called Loyalty. I refuse to believe loyalty can really be measured either, I think people are either loyal or they are not. I'm pretty sure my wife wouldn't accept me saying to her.... oh of course i'm loyal to you.... but just not at the weekends.

So here I am, one of the people who were likely to be spending almost £8k a year to ensure I renewed AU. Now, that task for me is going to be a much bigger challenge. I fear that you as a company have just alienated me. I totally understand that perhaps I was the small percentage of pax who just skirted over the level that the bean counters may want to eliminate, but for me it's not going to be an acceptance of Silver now, if i'm being forced away then as loyal as I am, I would have to give that same loyalty to another carrier. I just wonder how many people are in the same boat as me? That could be a lot of £8k's. The devaluation of the Z class ticket in Tier Points is really disappointing. You can shout louder on the small amount of plus points but these are falling on deaf ears sadly.

This is reality for me. I'm gutted that this will likely be my last year AU. I feel a bit cheated out of the loyalty I have shown over that last 4-5 years as the original terms of the engagement have changed. I feel it will be a huge own goal at VS. But sadly one that wont be fully acknowledged till myself and likeminded others are off somewhere else.

This is a real life view that hopefully will be at least considered as I am not alone. FC wasn't broken, just the website. I have loads of innovative ideas that are positive to make the company more money, ones which offer added value and make VS better as a whole, why is it always the opposite and the well documented race to the bottom?

All I can hope is that this is at the very least considered.

Scott
#929138 by scruickshank
20 Nov 2016, 17:34
I forgot to mention that earning more Tier Points with Delta on exactly the same route for the same fare (VS Z Class V's Delta Business over 3000 miles) is also astounding. Where is the incentive to ever fly VS again? FC is actively encouraging me to fly Delta rather than VS. I could go on but most have covered all the main issues in the thread. I really really hope there is a flexible stance on these changes and not the usual towing the corporate line. Nobody ever cares about companies losing face, they will have much more respect if things are just made right. S
#929141 by Eggtastico
20 Nov 2016, 19:07
scruickshank wrote:I forgot to mention that earning more Tier Points with Delta on exactly the same route for the same fare (VS Z Class V's Delta Business over 3000 miles) is also astounding. Where is the incentive to ever fly VS again? FC is actively encouraging me to fly Delta rather than VS. I could go on but most have covered all the main issues in the thread. I really really hope there is a flexible stance on these changes and not the usual towing the corporate line. Nobody ever cares about companies losing face, they will have much more respect if things are just made right. S


You will probably find its also cheaper than V as well!
#929143 by Spill
20 Nov 2016, 20:03
Hi

I got my email yesterday and checked the new site today. I have flights already booked, but it looks like my virgin locator reference has changed on the new site.
Both old and new appear to work in Manage My Booking.
Anyone else experienced this?
#929145 by marshy11
20 Nov 2016, 22:12
Spill wrote:Hi

I got my email yesterday and checked the new site today. I have flights already booked, but it looks like my virgin locator reference has changed on the new site.
Both old and new appear to work in Manage My Booking.
Anyone else experienced this?


Yes and no. My locator reference has changed but the old one has vanished. My seats show as requested but when I go to the seat map 1 is available, it's the last available on the flight so I do hope I'm on it.
#929154 by Silver Fox
21 Nov 2016, 13:16
Vegascrazy wrote:
Vegascrazy wrote:Is anyone able to confirm where we are supposed to enter the passport element of API on a booking? There is nowhere under 'Secure flight passenger data and contact information'. Earlier in this thread Mitcha mentioned there is a place in our FC Profiles, but surely passport data is *the* key element of what is needed API-wise against the actual booking - just as on BA, EZY...etc? Besides what if the passenger is not a member of FC and thus has no Profile?

I asked the same question on VA's Twitter only to receive a reply saying that the passport info should be entered under 'Secure flight passenger data and contact information'. I DM'd them a screen shot of what is possible to enter in that area. Hours later I received a DM stating 'Sorry for the delay in responding, is everything OK now'? I replied again with an even more detailed screenshot proving there are no passport entry fields in the area they said......no reply received back as yet.

All I can think is that passengers are no longer asked to complete the passport element of API in advance and need to do this at OLCI? Unless perhaps (for FC members only) it is pulled though from Profile at time of OLCU? Does anyone else know?

Thanks
James


OK...finally, finally I have a reply (on Twitter) from VS which, whilst a backward step, at least makes sense of the lack of passport API area on Manage My Booking!! Why oh why did they keep insisting that the facility existed when all along it has been removed! >>

"Hi James, I've just spoken to the web team. I can confirm that you only now enter passport numbers at the online check-in stage, which is why there is no longer an option to enter passport API against your booking".

I am sincerely hoping that, as a minimum , Flying Club members will have the option to auto-pull through their passport details from their FC profile. If not, the ONCI experience becomes a cumbersome affair with needing passports to hand for all passengers on the booking!


I am hitting this now. It's not backward it is absolutely nonsensical and another example that they have not tested this with grown-ups. Just got off the phone to FC as I could not enter the API info, and to confirm what you say that it has to be at OLCI. CS was as happy and wonderful as ever and they deserve a bonus for having all this crap inflicted upon them as they are obviously suffering. I am also trying to add my Known Traveller Number but it wants a redress number (although it says it is optional). Epic epic fail by Delta/Virgin on this.

Oh, and the lead passenger has changed from me to my mate, and apparently his secure details are entered according to the website - however FC can no longer see these so we cannot confirm exactly whose passport details are there. Plus it no longer shows my middle name now.

Edited to add that some people mentioned to add a Redress number of 0 - it did not like that for me, so I entered 00 and that was fine.

And another thing, I cannot enter the contact details for our hotel in the USA and have them "stick", it saves the changes, go back in to double check and hey presto, they have disappeared, and also they seem to have removed the check box that said something like "Same address as person you are travelling with". Absolute garbage.
#929161 by Traveller2
21 Nov 2016, 14:18
I have just visited the new VS website and was able to complete a pretty comprehensive survey about it at the end of my visit. Maybe we should all try and fill it out?

One of the most annoying aspects of the new site is that prices for round trip flights are not broken down into legs as before but show the final cost when you click on the outbound. This is really confusing and it took me a while to realise what they had done.
#929164 by tugpilot
21 Nov 2016, 14:45
I have completed the survey and been pretty damming.

The new site does not function as a 2016 web presence full stop. I entered my security details twice - last night on iPad today on MS Edge and was prompted for security questions both times. I would expect at least an email telling me that the site had been entered and my security answered had been changed second time round.

My booking reference has been changed. Again the very least I would expect is an email or text. I am 100% sure that both EasyJet and Ryanair would do this- Easy tell me about the slightest change and an individual flight delay by text.

When I tried to manage my flight it's okay on iPad, in MS EDGE there is a red panel- I can do it by searching in the red field using the mouse and clicking until something appears.

Does anyone know how much testing was undertaken in a BETA mode? Anyone on here take part?

I am awaiting an apology by email for this unmitigated disaster. In my view if the old site is running in parallel it should be restored while this is sorted out.
#929166 by DoomWolf
21 Nov 2016, 14:59
Silver Fox wrote:And another thing, I cannot enter the contact details for our hotel in the USA and have them "stick", it saves the changes, go back in to double check and hey presto, they have disappeared, and also they seem to have removed the check box that said something like "Same address as person you are travelling with". Absolute garbage.


Same for me. If you scroll up a bit after entering the info, you see an error message that could certainly be made more prominent.

The same function on Delta's website work perfectly, so given it's supposedly the same codebase, the people tasked with rebranding it for Virgin have made a right hash of it.
#929179 by NYLON
21 Nov 2016, 17:41
One small glimmer of hope: I just made a transfer of some AMEX MR points to FC as a test. They went through immediately, without a hitch.

Still waiting on my VS credit card (UK and US!) miles and points to post though...
#929180 by Silver Fox
21 Nov 2016, 17:42
And another thing I miss is the "until your next flight" countdown in Days:Hours:Minutes ! It just shows days now and for single digit days it shows a leading 0 which as far as I am concerned is lazy programming! :)
#929189 by evanspa1
21 Nov 2016, 19:36
Wow pretty much everything is screwed up. They can't get miles credited to my account for flights taken - no idea when it'll be sorted.

I then tried to book our family holiday for next summer, 2 adults 1 young adult. It pops up a message saying Passengers under 16 years old can't be booked online currently!

For something else I phoned FC and tried to use my 80 tier point upgrade voucher. They could see on my account but because they'd forgotten to incorporate that feature in the new system I couldn't use it at present. They've emailed somebody to see if it can be sorted

Incredible. They must be losing millions.
#929198 by StillRedHot
21 Nov 2016, 20:58
I haven't posted here in a while, but I do think somebody needs to put things into perspective a little..

This is not just a simple redesign of a website and changes to the Flying Club. This is a huge huge project that spans countless different areas of the VS business around the world. From logging in to Flying Club, checking if you're allowed into the lounge, checking in online for a flight, allowing a flight to be dispatched, making sure your bags reach the right aircraft, saving your special meal choice or even just checking on the flight status - every single thing that you do or VS staff do for the airline has been changed to a new system behind the scenes that has been specifically built for VS by Delta (as the winners of the tender process). This isn't Delta taking over VS (despite what you may think).. it's about VS moving to a system that is light years ahead of what they had. A system where everything talks to each other and doesn't function on its own in a separate silo to everything else.

In the grand scheme of things, this changeover has been a HUGE success. Yes there are some website teething problems and issues with some aspects of Flying Club which are understandably incredibly frustrating for those people that are having issues, however this could have been an absolute worldwide catastrophe. People may have not been able to check in online, flights may have been grounded, contact centres not able to do anything with bookings, the list is absolutely endless and it doesn't even bear thinking about!

The old site can't simply be rolled back as all the functions point to the old, outdated systems that VS was peddling away behind the scenes on for years. I think we can all agree that this system change has been a long time coming, just look at the difference from the old app to the new app - and that's just the very beginning.

Those old systems are no more. The effort is now on fixing some of the issues that have arisen as part of the change. This was an all or nothing crossover, and the various issues that have been highlighted I'm sure will be ironed out in the next few weeks. Some functionality like booking child tickets online I'm sure will be back soon.

It goes without saying that everything was rigorously tested and tested again - however no matter how much you can simulate the real thing, some issues don't come to light until it hits the real world unfortunately.

I loved the post about 'we all want what's best for VS which is why we're so angry' (or words to that effect!) - trust me, it could have been A LOT worse. Bear with them, it's new for them too. But I guarantee that everyone that works for VS and has worked on this project for years all want what's best for VS too.

SRH
#929200 by Silver Fox
21 Nov 2016, 21:32
"It goes without saying that everything was rigorously tested and tested again - however no matter how much you can simulate the real thing, some issues don't come to light until it hits the real world unfortunately."

I am really sorry but there are too many simple things that just don't work and I fail to see how they have been subject to any rigorous testing, or any testing at all. I have provided examples upthread that are basic items that should not have fallen through the cracks. Sadly it does not fill me with confidence for my upcoming flights.
Last edited by Silver Fox on 22 Nov 2016, 09:35, edited 1 time in total.
#929201 by RyanJW
21 Nov 2016, 21:36
+1 for SRH

VS are really not doing this to annoy or irritate their frequent flyer base. It's a big project for a complete overhaul of a airlines systems. These are notorious for being complex and multi-layered and difficult to improve or add new features.

For a new system to be so far advanced compared to what was there before hand, I think they have done an incredible job. Whilst I know that might rub some folks up the wrong way, I attended the Cloud Expo session with the VS CIO where he explained the IT sprawl that was becoming a significant hurdle to VS's core business of actually flying people to destinations. It was a great talk - more details can be read here: http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2331155/ ... cy-it-mess

I'm hoping that all affected on v-flyer get their issues resolved as fast as possible and keep things on the positive :-)
#929210 by gumshoe
21 Nov 2016, 23:12
Let us not forget that BA have had huge problems with their new "Fly" departure control system since it launched earlier this year, which have affected airport operations and made the news almost every month.

June: http://www.airlive.net/news-travel-chao ... -in-desks/

July: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/b ... 90841.html

September: http://www.itv.com/news/2016-09-06/chao ... n-failure/

November: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2180938/b ... ils-again/

As frustrating as it is for all of us affected, VS's website issues are small fry compared to BA's IT problems.
#929217 by Eggtastico
22 Nov 2016, 08:15
The new website is amongst the worse I have ever used.
They really need to roll it back as I can only see it impacting business.

Also, anyone noticed reward seats are now only up to 6 months in advance?
#929218 by Eggtastico
22 Nov 2016, 08:17
StillRedHot wrote:I haven't posted here in a while, but I do think somebody needs to put things into perspective a little..

This is not just a simple redesign of a website and changes to the Flying Club. This is a huge huge project that spans countless different areas of the VS business around the world. From logging in to Flying Club, checking if you're allowed into the lounge, checking in online for a flight, allowing a flight to be dispatched, making sure your bags reach the right aircraft, saving your special meal choice or even just checking on the flight status - every single thing that you do or VS staff do for the airline has been changed to a new system behind the scenes that has been specifically built for VS by Delta (as the winners of the tender process). This isn't Delta taking over VS (despite what you may think).. it's about VS moving to a system that is light years ahead of what they had. A system where everything talks to each other and doesn't function on its own in a separate silo to everything else.

In the grand scheme of things, this changeover has been a HUGE success. Yes there are some website teething problems and issues with some aspects of Flying Club which are understandably incredibly frustrating for those people that are having issues, however this could have been an absolute worldwide catastrophe. People may have not been able to check in online, flights may have been grounded, contact centres not able to do anything with bookings, the list is absolutely endless and it doesn't even bear thinking about!

The old site can't simply be rolled back as all the functions point to the old, outdated systems that VS was peddling away behind the scenes on for years. I think we can all agree that this system change has been a long time coming, just look at the difference from the old app to the new app - and that's just the very beginning.

Those old systems are no more. The effort is now on fixing some of the issues that have arisen as part of the change. This was an all or nothing crossover, and the various issues that have been highlighted I'm sure will be ironed out in the next few weeks. Some functionality like booking child tickets online I'm sure will be back soon.

It goes without saying that everything was rigorously tested and tested again - however no matter how much you can simulate the real thing, some issues don't come to light until it hits the real world unfortunately.

I loved the post about 'we all want what's best for VS which is why we're so angry' (or words to that effect!) - trust me, it could have been A LOT worse. Bear with them, it's new for them too. But I guarantee that everyone that works for VS and has worked on this project for years all want what's best for VS too.

SRH


Load of waffle.
If I pushed something this broke to live, I would be out of a job.
#929219 by Eggtastico
22 Nov 2016, 08:20
gumshoe wrote:Let us not forget that BA have had huge problems with their new "Fly" departure control system since it launched earlier this year, which have affected airport operations and made the news almost every month.

June: http://www.airlive.net/news-travel-chao ... -in-desks/

July: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/b ... 90841.html

September: http://www.itv.com/news/2016-09-06/chao ... n-failure/

November: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2180938/b ... ils-again/

As frustrating as it is for all of us affected, VS's website issues are small fry compared to BA's IT problems.

Irrelevant really though?
Their website works & works brilliantly.
If Delta built this, when why didnt they just use the Delta S/Ware & Re-Skin/Rebrand? Would have been better as anyone moving from Delta to Virgin (or vice-versa) would have identical user experience in the duplicated layout.

This website is horrible. The booking options lack features. It dont retain your last selected options, etc. If flights not available then you need to go set your options again.
#929221 by Hev60
22 Nov 2016, 11:14
For the past week virtually every post on this thread has commented how absolutely awful the changes to both the website and Flying club have been. Hundreds of examples have been given clearly detailing the utter mess that had been created and how it has affected us.

Now we are being told we are being unreasonable and unfair (not those exact words were written). I am sorry this does not wear with me. Over my working life I worked for massive Organisations using Computer Sytems and in fact like some of my fellow v-flyer, we was around when the darn computer system was introduced!!!!
Never ever have I experienced anything like like.

The website is horrible because it is not user friendly and surely that is the whole point of an online website.

I honestly do not think it helps to start comparing how bad other airlines' IT systems perform. This is not a defence which excuses the current state of both the VS website or the FC

Let us be careful not to let this become an argumentative thread. However that could easily happen. I personally do not like the tone of last couple of very lengthy posts from people giving their positive slant on the huge changes. Perhaps it's me being too sensitive but it felt like a telling off and I was being told to shut up and stop the unnecessary moaning. :-O
#929222 by Silver Fox
22 Nov 2016, 12:27
Hev60 wrote:For the past week virtually every post on this thread has commented how absolutely awful the changes to both the website and Flying club have been. Hundreds of examples have been given clearly detailing the utter mess that had been created and how it has affected us.

Now we are being told we are being unreasonable and unfair (not those exact words were written). I am sorry this does not wear with me. Over my working life I worked for massive Organisations using Computer Sytems and in fact like some of my fellow v-flyer, we was around when the darn computer system was introduced!!!!
Never ever have I experienced anything like like.

The website is horrible because it is not user friendly and surely that is the whole point of an online website.

I honestly do not think it helps to start comparing how bad other airlines' IT systems perform. This is not a defence which excuses the current state of both the VS website or the FC

Let us be careful not to let this become an argumentative thread. However that could easily happen. I personally do not like the tone of last couple of very lengthy posts from people giving their positive slant on the huge changes. Perhaps it's me being too sensitive but it felt like a telling off and I was being told to shut up and stop the unnecessary moaning. :-O


Totally agree. Have a like!
#929224 by mitchja
22 Nov 2016, 13:13
This has just occurred to mean I'm traveling with VTEC in a few weeks....another VS FC partner where you may want to update your new FC number with is Virgin Trains / Virgin Trains East Coast.

So far there's:

MBNA
AmEx Membership Rewards - you need to ring to update your FC number as you cannot do this online.
Tesco
Virgin Trains / VTEC
Heathrow Rewards

There are probably others too?

The e-Rewards website will not currently accept the new 10 digit FC numbers, though I have raised this with them.
Virgin Atlantic

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