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#956334 by nkp85uk
11 Jun 2020, 09:37
After waiting six weeks for two refunds, I complained to VS who told me they are struggling to process refunds due to volume and lack of staff. I accept this, but also want my money back, so I took the administrative burden away from VS by filing disputes with AMEX. Within a mater of minutes AMEX ruled within my favour and the next day I had the two credits totalling about ~£5k. Job done.

I really enjoy flying with VS and the ground experience. I chalk this up to extenuating circumstances and will continue to fly with them in future (I hope!).
#956335 by Tigerlilly
11 Jun 2020, 11:55
Just be careful as virgin can and have charged these back. You need to keep that credit on there for 8 weeks until the case is closed both ends.
#956336 by International Hitman
11 Jun 2020, 16:08
Definitely something going on both at VS and at Virgin Money --- I made a section 75 claim way back on the 18th March for north of 10K
I have just been contacted by a Virgin money representative who has been drafted in to collate claims, she couldn’t/wouldn’t update on anything and didn’t have access to my file so everything she asked I had already supplied in writing [basic info such as flight number, booking references, dates etc]
At last there is some dialogue beginning …….. ;-)
#956337 by DVCMichael
11 Jun 2020, 16:10
Recieved the email promising refund within 30days on Tuesday . Email today detailing refund paid.
This was a Miles refund that was started on 8the March. Coincidentally I had just booked a miles redemption minutes before so the refunded money will pay for most of the new flight.

I had cancelled my original flight before the present arrangement or I would have just taken the voucher.

I also asked the agent about the taxes and fees etc. and she told me if I had to cancel my new flight if my cruise would not go ahead I would only have to pay the 30 £ fee or push it back .
#956352 by northerntrack
13 Jun 2020, 11:31
I just received the following response for my refund which has taken them 5 weeks to get around to acknowledging:-


We are committed to completing each refund at the earliest opportunity however it is taking longer than usual. Your payment will be processed within an absolute maximum of 120 days from when your request reached us.

Further to providing a 90-day refund timeframe we have cancelled all flights until 19th July 2020 and continue to receive an unprecedented volume of enquiries.

We have boosted the size of the team handling refunds and these additional staff are receiving training to use the required systems, which will increase our capacity to process refunds.


Potentially 4 months for a refund is ridiculous.
It can't be that hard to instigate a refund, they are just loathed to part with the money.
#956353 by FLYERZ
13 Jun 2020, 12:51
How have people been getting through? I tried calling and was told refunds team was unavailable. I have DM'd on Twitter and used Whatsapp, on both sending over my booking reference and hearing nothing further (in terms of whether the refund request had been put through) in a week. I am anticipating a long wait for the funds to be returned but at least to know the request was in the system would be some comfort.
#956355 by vic110
13 Jun 2020, 15:28
Some positive news to share at last
We had car hire booked with virgin holidays for a trip back in March. I have finally received my refund now directly back onto my credit card. Still no refund from Virgin Atlantic for my flights but I have had a generic E mail to say my refund will be completed within 40 days. -I am almost at 90 days now which is what they initially told me. I have seen news that some people have actually started getting refunds now so fingers crossed virgin are getting round to finally refunding people.
#956356 by FLYERZ
13 Jun 2020, 22:49
So finally heard back on whatsapp a week later. The refund request has been 'logged', when asked about timeframes for miles/money being returned this is the verbatim 'Miles will go in straight away. There is no time frame for the refund of money'. Absolutely outrageous!!
#956357 by v1rotatev2
14 Jun 2020, 09:13
FLYERZ wrote:So finally heard back on whatsapp a week later. The refund request has been 'logged', when asked about timeframes for miles/money being returned this is the verbatim 'Miles will go in straight away. There is no time frame for the refund of money'. Absolutely outrageous!!


No time frame now! Behind the friendly 'rock star' image lies a company that cynically helps itself to its customers' money as an interest free loan.
#956361 by Tigerlilly
14 Jun 2020, 17:31
v1rotatev2 wrote:
FLYERZ wrote:So finally heard back on whatsapp a week later. The refund request has been 'logged', when asked about timeframes for miles/money being returned this is the verbatim 'Miles will go in straight away. There is no time frame for the refund of money'. Absolutely outrageous!!


No time frame now! Behind the friendly 'rock star' image lies a company that cynically helps itself to its customers' money as an interest free loan.


I’ve now seen 9 people refunded and it apparently goes on date refund was requested. They've now also said a max 120 days. Nearly all staff are furloughed but extra have been drafted in this week to assist with refunds and rebooking. I’ve heard many will be back sometime early July to assist further and quicken things up.
#956362 by jonathanb
14 Jun 2020, 20:33
I called this morning regarding a change to an existing booking and got through in 45 minutes which was much better than I expected.

Lady was super helpful.

Jonathan
#956403 by 112orlando
18 Jun 2020, 13:20
Having been waiting for a refund for over 90 days now it seems pretty obvious that Virgin are funding their lack of flying with passengers cash. Theres no chance at all of a resumption in July so it basically amounts to fraud on top of theft. If you were sold something that patently didn't exist then you would be prosecuted, Virgin are breaking many rules and losing the faith and trust of their customers. I also doubt their ability to survive much longer if their wishfully conjured up date passes without flights .
#956405 by matt.hibb
18 Jun 2020, 14:24
112orlando wrote:Having been waiting for a refund for over 90 days now it seems pretty obvious that Virgin are funding their lack of flying with passengers cash. Theres no chance at all of a resumption in July so it basically amounts to fraud on top of theft. If you were sold something that patently didn't exist then you would be prosecuted, Virgin are breaking many rules and losing the faith and trust of their customers. I also doubt their ability to survive much longer if their wishfully conjured up date passes without flights .


I too have been waiting for a refund for a similar amount of time. And it does seem obvious that the reason that refund is not forthcoming is more than just furloughed staff. However, to label the continued marketing/selling of future flights as theft/fraud is, with all due respect, way too harsh. To be clear, nobody has actually banned VS from operating flights, they are still free to operate as they wish, to airports that remain open. What is banned is the entry of non-US citizens. So whilst demand will be incredibly low, they can restart part of their flight schedule whenever they like.
#956416 by starquake
19 Jun 2020, 12:47
That would be fine, but I wager most passengers on VS are not Americans or people with entry given they are a high percentage of Leisure travel. So unless there is a cargo reason for a flight to operate it won't until Trump opens borders.
#956478 by David1946
24 Jun 2020, 07:05
It's arrived. Checked my credit card statement and my refund of £1,214 landed into the account overnight. This was a refund of the taxes etc for our August flights which I cancelled on 16th March (98 days). The miles were recredited immediately and the only charge is the normal £30 each. Thank you VS. Hopefully this can be reinvested with them soon.
#956503 by sky0000547
27 Jun 2020, 13:50
My full refund received yesterday. Cancellation was mid February. As I booked through online travel agent probably some delay here or there.
#956524 by Miyamoto Musashi
30 Jun 2020, 21:18
First refund request filed 9th March - with 2 others in the following 2 weeks. Still no refund. Spoke to customer service a few weeks back (at the 90 day mark) - apparently, if you don't call - your refund gets delayed. I spoke to customer service yesterday - according to them the going delay for refunds is 120+ days.
Also tried the chargeback route with Barclays, where the charge was under 60 days. Barclays denied my claim almost instantly, despite VS canceling the route permanently. There was no way to appeal Barclays decision as they refuse to pass you to any supervisor and reps have no authority. I'll be using my AmEx next time - seems from posts here they are much more reasonable and more customer friendly than Barclays.
#956525 by FLYERZ
30 Jun 2020, 22:07
Can I ask if once a refund claim has been logged whether you should recieve an email notification? I put in a request a few weeks ago, appreciate the actual refund will be a few months but would be good to know whether the ball has started rooling, albeit very slowly.
#956526 by Miyamoto Musashi
30 Jun 2020, 22:52
As far as I know - there is no notice. One of my claims was paid according to the Virgin rep - but I haven't received an email and it still hasn't shown up in my account. On another explanation I got - Virgin has 5 steps to process each claim. When a claim reaches the final step before issuance you receive an email committing to have the payment posted withing 30 days. I got a few of those, although they don't have any details on the claims on amounts.
#956527 by plane340
30 Jun 2020, 23:44
Had car hire booked through VH at SFO on April 7th 2020, still no refund but went through Amex and got money back within 24 hours.
#956540 by vic110
03 Jul 2020, 19:42
I have finally received my refund today. I received an E mail 9 days ago stating it had been paid and it has finally appeared in my account today. It has taken 13 weeks which is pretty poor but I understand its been difficult due to the amount of refunds they are having to deal with. Although It looks like more refunds are being processed now. I spoke with someone from Virgin last week regarding another refund and they said they had more staff coming back from being furlowed so hopefully things start moving a bit quicker now.
#956691 by flyingfox
29 Jul 2020, 20:37
Update from VS trade;

An Update on Refunds
Despite the incredible efforts of our teams, we know we have not lived up to the high standards when it comes to refunds, but we will do everything in our power to earn back your trust
The volume of enquiries to Virgin Atlantic remains unprecedented. We are receiving around 10,000 overall enquiries (for rebooking, amends and refunds) every day
We’ve boosted the size of the team dedicated to processing refunds five-fold, with over 200 people now directly involved. This has increased our capacity to process a greater number of refunds, more quickly
Thanks to the progress made, we are steadily reducing the maximum processing time for each new Virgin Atlantic cash refund
At present, we’re refunding an average of 9,000 customer bookings per week across all channels
We currently commit to process each refund at the earliest opportunity but certainly within a maximum of 120 days from the point the refund is requested to when the refund is processed

Dear valued partner,

We wanted to update you on our commitment to refunds and continually improving our processes. At Virgin Atlantic, our absolute focus remains on supporting our customers, whether that's to amend, rebook or cancel plans during the Covid-19 crisis.

We are so grateful for your patience as we work to process outstanding refunds in full. As a direct result of global travel restrictions brought on by the impact of Covid-19, we have had to cancel a vast number of flights and holidays and continue to receive a huge volume of refund requests, as have our partners. Managing this huge volume of requests, alongside operational constraints on our teams and systems, has been challenging, but we are fully committed to paying every single refund in full.

We know that at times during this crisis we’ve failed to give the clarity needed on timelines for payment. This has understandably let many of our partners and customers down. The huge volume of refund requests we have received, combined with the constraints on our teams and systems during the pandemic, has meant that refunds have been taking longer than usual to process, and we sincerely apologise for this.

Since April, we have been focussed on making improvements wherever possible. We’ve boosted the size of the team dedicated to processing refunds five-fold, with over 200 people now directly involved. This has increased our capacity to process a greater number of refunds, more quickly and we continue to minimise the wait time for existing refund requests. Thanks to the progress made, we are steadily reducing the maximum processing time for each new Virgin Atlantic cash refund. For customers requesting a refund in August, we expect the maximum processing time to be 80 days, from the date the refund is requested. For those requesting a refund in September, we expect it to take a maximum of 60 days, with the turnaround time continuing to steadily reduce as we clear the backlog. Based on our rigorous forecasts we are confident in these reduced timeframes. In the case of refunds for trade partners, the processing time is from the date of submission of the refund application (RA) to the date the refund is shown as authorised. We appreciate that there may be additional processing time for funds to clear.

We recognise the importance of every single refund to you, as our trade partner, and promise that every single one will be paid in full. We thank all our customers for their patience.

Despite the incredible efforts of our teams, we know we have not lived up to the high standards we set ourselves, but we will do everything in our power to earn back your trust. We want to thank you again for all your support through some very difficult months. We’re looking forward to continuing and building our partnership with you throughout the summer and beyond.

Fly Safe, fly well.
Your sincerely,
Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd

Summary Q&A

How are you prioritising refund payments?
Payments are being prioritised based on how long the customer has been waiting, from the point of their refund request, working in order from March 2020 onwards. The new maximum timeframes from August onwards account for this and we will ensure that the ‘oldest’ refund requests are processed first.

Does this mean I should wait to request a refund on 1 August rather than 31 July?
Doesn’t this penalise those who have requested in July and given 120-day timeframe?
No, 120 days is provided as a maximum timeframe, but we always try to process at the earliest opportunity. In reality, the average timeframe for July refund requests will be lower than 120 days and will continue to gradually reduce, which is why we’re able to offer a clearer guide of decreased timeframes as we move into August onwards. We will always ensure the ‘oldest’ refund requests are processed first.

Does this mean if I requested a refund in April/May/June I’m still going to wait 120 days?
The reduced timeframes which we’ve confirmed apply to new requests made from August onwards. For existing refund requests made before August, 120 days is the most accurate guide for the maximum processing timeframe, however we are continually improving our processes to bring down this timeframe.

Doesn’t this penalise people already waiting in the queue?
No, we will always ensure the ‘oldest’ refund requests are processed first but are now able to offer a steady reduction in maximum timeframes going forward.

If you continued rolling cancellations can you honour this commitment?
We’re monitoring external conditions extremely closely and reviewing our flying programme and holiday schedule on a regular basis. Based on our rigorous forecasts we are confident in these reduced timeframes and expect these will be met.

If you have an existing 120-day commitment, why is the refund taking over 120 days to be processed?
Up until now we have been committed to processing existing refunds within a maximum of 120 days, from the date the refund is requested, and we inform each customer when this is done by email. The timeframe begins from the date the refund is requested and acknowledged by a customer agent, not the date the flight is cancelled.

Why does it take up to another 14 days for payment to reach account?
Once the refund has been processed it will then be returned to the original form(s) of payment. It may be necessary to allow up to 14 days for the money to show on the customer account due to the process in place between Virgin Atlantic and our Merchant Service Providers (i.e. banks). The length of time may also depend on payment method and provider, or if a Bank Holiday falls during the period.

Why does it take another 4 weeks for payment to trade after you’ve processed?
Once the refund has been processed it will then be returned to our trade partner. It may be necessary to allow up to 4 weeks for the money to reach the account, but the process is completed by Virgin Atlantic in the maximum timeframe

How do I contact Virgin Atlantic as a trade partner?
Unfortunately, we are currently unable to give updates on individual refunds applications as we are extremely busy helping customers with impacts to immediate travel. However, if you do have an urgent enquiry and are a managed account, your first point of enquiry should be sales support, who can triage your request. For unmanaged accounts, please contact your wholesaler or consolidator.
#956694 by blindman65
31 Jul 2020, 10:03
113 days and I'm still waiting for my refund.

I'm sure Virgin are quaking in their boots as the toothless CAA "threaten" them.
#956698 by Gavin
01 Aug 2020, 21:46
Waited 60 days did a chargeback with Virgin Credit card, after a fight - which I took to the FOS, they refunded in full on day 91, then I get an email from Virgin 2 weeks later with a refund calculation except it was just for the taxes and not for the seats I paid for, this was 2 weeks ago and I have no idea if they are going to refund the taxes - in which case I will need to contact virgin money as i'm over refunded.... or not, all a mess

Also waiting for a refund on seats on a flight I changed into an open ticket then upgraded to PE, advised no timescale on a refund for these seats, so may fill in the Virgin form again, quoting no timescale is really unacceptable and shows how bad Virgin IT is - I was informed that each refund takes 10-15 min to refund and there was a backlog of 40,000, until Begining of July there were 6 people processing refunds before they decided to ramp up staff.... took them 4 months to do that - v bad management!

I love Virgin but when Easyjet can give a refund in 10 days, Expedia who apologised as it took 14 days to refund and Jet2 took 48 hours.... something is very wrong with the backoffice procesees at VS
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