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#123953 by G-VFAB
22 Jun 2006, 14:47
ITV News just said that VS are very active in helping with the investigation!
#123954 by Jon B
22 Jun 2006, 15:02
The OFT always start investigations with what they call 'dominant players'.

In this instance I would be very surprised to find that BA are given anything but a clean bill of health on this. Most large companies are well aware of the 10% worldwide sales fine that could apply and there would be many levels of corporate guidelines and sign offs that would protect against an individual or small group of people putting the company in danger of prosecution. It does however fire a warning shot to the industry. I can just picture the many 'huddle' meetings going on at short notice across the industry.

With regards to fuel, perhaps the OFT should investigate the treasury as the % of fuel tax the motorist pays at the pumps is criminal [:w]
#123955 by slinky09
22 Jun 2006, 15:17
I'm not presuming guilt, but nor should we assume innocence, after all the threat of prison and fines didn't put of Christies and Sothebys? Let's see how this pans out ...
#123984 by Richard28
22 Jun 2006, 19:55
It has been mentioned on these forums before how it seems that BA/VS take it in turns in announcing increases to the fuel surcharge, with the other airline then following suit shortly after.

not wanting to presume or infer guilt here of course....
#124000 by VS-EWR
22 Jun 2006, 22:10
Isn't "helping out with an investigation" usually just a nicer way of saying someone's being investigated?
#124038 by ChuckC
23 Jun 2006, 02:56
Yes, I'm afraid that's too true, Nick. US evening news broadcast on National Public Radio made it plainer, indicating that VS is one of the carriers being investigated.

Chuck-
#124048 by catsilversword
23 Jun 2006, 06:48
Just seems like propaganda to me - just think about it, the OFT seems to be an essentially toothless set up - just think about what else it's been investigating this week - water companies for example, chalking up profits on over 30%, while having hiked prices to customers and allowed leakage to get far worse.. ah yes, bit brother OFWAT won't actually DO anything about that either. Call me cynical, but I think they get back handers....[:I]
#124053 by slinky09
23 Jun 2006, 08:03
Originally posted by ChuckC
Yes, I'm afraid that's too true, Nick. US evening news broadcast on National Public Radio made it plainer, indicating that VS is one of the carriers being investigated.

Chuck-


The story I read in the UK referred specifically to BA and AA being investigated - obviously because they are in alliance transatlantically. VS are outside of this but I'd be surprised if VS wasn't being looked at, there have been many posts here about the similarity between VS and BA ticket prices, however that's surely simply down to mirroring.
#124055 by BlackCat
23 Jun 2006, 08:37
Ticket pricing is down to IATA (a legal cartel). The investigation is around the suspiciously similar (in price and timing) fuel surcharges.

BC
#124089 by ChuckC
23 Jun 2006, 12:58
Originally posted by slinky09
Originally posted by ChuckC
Yes, I'm afraid that's too true, Nick. US evening news broadcast on National Public Radio made it plainer, indicating that VS is one of the carriers being investigated.

Chuck-


The story I read in the UK referred specifically to BA and AA being investigated - obviously because they are in alliance transatlantically. VS are outside of this but I'd be surprised if VS wasn't being looked at, there have been many posts here about the similarity between VS and BA ticket prices, however that's surely simply down to mirroring.


slinky,
Believe that United was also mentioned.

Chuck-
#124139 by V-Ben
23 Jun 2006, 17:31
Anyone watching BBC News 24? Hehehe
#124142 by SteveE
23 Jun 2006, 17:43
Maybe we should move this back to the VA News Bites forum, or retitle it VA News Bites BA?
#124150 by Richard28
23 Jun 2006, 18:18
over on a.net there's a thread saying that it was VS who tipped off BA to the OFT...

bbc link here
#124343 by willd
25 Jun 2006, 14:00
Well from what I have heard- BA and VS are being looked at- as is AA and UA....its the fuel charge where the fixing seems to be rather than the prices. Skyteam are being looked at by the EU- and Star and Oneworld are "helping investigations".

What is interesting is the OFT seem to have been doing alot of busting on "cartels" of this sort- only recently the top 30 British Public Schools (For the americans- private boarding schools) have been investigated for all fixing their fees. Couple this with Sotherbys/Cristies as was mentioned earlier and there has been a fair amount of it lately that has been brought to the attention of the public.
#124371 by preiffer
25 Jun 2006, 16:00
But it emerged yesterday that Virgin, which is owned and chaired by Sir Richard Branson, tipped off the OFT.


Ouch! [:0]
#124372 by Jon B
25 Jun 2006, 16:00
Originally posted by catsilversword
Just seems like propaganda to me - just think about it, the OFT seems to be an essentially toothless set up[:I]


Don't think the OFT could ever be described as toothless..... As a well known 'cola' company found to their cost in recent years.

The powers the OFT have are huge and any company who faces an investigation on whatever scale will always take it extremely seriously..... After all there is a possibility of a 10% fine in global sales revenue (not just profits)

You would be surprised at the level of controls from the very top downwards that large companies now have in place to ensure that they don't deliberately or inadvertently breach the regulations.

You would have to be a very brave (or stupid) CEO to risk the penaltly

Jon B
#124485 by locutus
26 Jun 2006, 09:33
The BBC made it sound like Virgin reporting BA was an attempt to preempt it so they don't come out of it looking too guilty.

Still, I'm sure it's just a coincidence that BA and VS prices are always so similar.
#124489 by Bazz
26 Jun 2006, 10:21
Steve Ridgway was interviewed on BBC Breakfast at 7:35 (ish) this morning and refused to confirm or deny that it was VAA who reported the alledged price fixing over fuel surcharges to the OFT. He would only say VAA were cooperating fully with the investigation!

Other than that he was fairly bullish over their performance and confirmed all VAA staff would get a bonus equiv to to weeks pay.
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