A board level decision was made against A330 lease for more than one reason, they had got very close to signing. One reason was the fact that the A330 is to be replaced & it was more prudent to wait and see what the A350/B787 had to offer. There are more & the staff, if they have any understanding of the industry & the VS position in it, should be able to work it out.
AS for this buying BMi stuff, how much do you think they are worth in comparison to VS?? Their recent purchase of BMed should indicate that SMB is far from retiring & has good cash reserves behind him.
Originally posted by Denzil
AS for this buying BMi stuff, how much do you think they are worth in comparison to VS?? Their recent purchase of BMed should indicate that SMB is far from retiring & has good cash reserves behind him.
Having met the man, I think he's looking forward to all the things he'll be able to turn his attention to in his retirement.
And I do like a rumour ... what if VS has actually deferred/cancelled the remaining 346s, and also the 380s being late, that leaves some cash flow to spend ... perhaps quite a lot, that is if the business is on target. What might VS spend it on ? Denzil is adament that its not BMI ...
There's a plane at JFK, to fly you back from far away
all those dark and frantic transatlantic miles
all those dark and frantic transatlantic miles
Originally posted by Denzil
Do you think they really tell you everything as VS staff members??? This kind of decision would be made at board level & if you're VS staff you'll have read SR's recent round up. Does it start to make sense???
They tell us more than what you think. VS have got wind of this rumour and I know for a fact that VS are going to put it straight once and for all in the next week to its STAFF.
I don't know where Denzil found this information, I can only provide my source.
http://www.edinavtn.co.uk/assets/files/PDFs/A330.pdf
I am afraid although most of us won't like it, Denzil is right on this.
It's on page 23.
http://www.edinavtn.co.uk/assets/files/PDFs/A330.pdf
I am afraid although most of us won't like it, Denzil is right on this.
It's on page 23.
Originally posted by Snow
I don't know where Denzil found this information, I can only provide my source.
http://www.edinavtn.co.uk/assets/files/PDFs/A330.pdf
I am afraid although most of us won't like it, Denzil is right on this.
It's on page 23.
Thank you for the link, yep it does appear that Denzil is right [:#]
From what is to be announced to staff this week this topic is far from the truth.
A380 has nothing to do with it. Sorry can't and won't say no more.
Thanks Snow for that-
So have VS just cancelled the HGW a/c we had on order? VS still have a further 13 options from 2009 correct?
A change of aircraft would be drastic considering the amount of 346's in the fleet and it would be a real loss to Airbus considering VS was one of the launch customers for the a/c and the comapnies loyalty to them in recent years.
Taking into account VS' continued expansion I see a number of reasons/options:
1. Changing to another aircaft type. Although given that the 777 line is full and the 330/340 line is as well I cant really see them being brand new aicraft as VS by all accounts need aircraft asap. I doubt they will go 2nd hand.
2. Merge with another carrier- Denzil says no- and I personally cant believe that the city hasn't predicted it.
3. SQ transfering across some aicraft. Possibly the 345's?!? Or have SQ transfered their 773 slots to VS?!? Or SQ giving up their own 330 slots?!?
Of course all pure speculation- maybe we will have to wait and see...
So have VS just cancelled the HGW a/c we had on order? VS still have a further 13 options from 2009 correct?
A change of aircraft would be drastic considering the amount of 346's in the fleet and it would be a real loss to Airbus considering VS was one of the launch customers for the a/c and the comapnies loyalty to them in recent years.
Taking into account VS' continued expansion I see a number of reasons/options:
1. Changing to another aircaft type. Although given that the 777 line is full and the 330/340 line is as well I cant really see them being brand new aicraft as VS by all accounts need aircraft asap. I doubt they will go 2nd hand.
2. Merge with another carrier- Denzil says no- and I personally cant believe that the city hasn't predicted it.
3. SQ transfering across some aicraft. Possibly the 345's?!? Or have SQ transfered their 773 slots to VS?!? Or SQ giving up their own 330 slots?!?
Of course all pure speculation- maybe we will have to wait and see...
Originally posted by VS045
Why does VS have HGWs on order anyway?[?]
VS.
Please don't take this as fact, but...
There are some routes like HKG-LHR where head winds can limit the amount of cargo that can be carried due to the fuel that has to be loaded.
Any aircraft has a mtow, it is a mix of aircraft weight, pax weight, luggage weight, fuel weigth and cargo weight.
Now with some routes some aircraft become load restricted due to the length of the flight and the winds, a HGW aircraft is better able to over come these limits without to high a cost when purchased new.
Again please don't take this one as factual, just my thoughts on why.
Originally posted by willd
Thanks Snow for that-
So have VS just cancelled the HGW a/c we had on order? VS still have a further 13 options from 2009 correct?
A change of aircraft would be drastic considering the amount of 346's in the fleet and it would be a real loss to Airbus considering VS was one of the launch customers for the a/c and the comapnies loyalty to them in recent years.
Taking into account VS' continued expansion I see a number of reasons/options:
1. Changing to another aircaft type. Although given that the 777 line is full and the 330/340 line is as well I cant really see them being brand new aicraft as VS by all accounts need aircraft asap. I doubt they will go 2nd hand.
2. Merge with another carrier- Denzil says no- and I personally cant believe that the city hasn't predicted it.
3. SQ transfering across some aicraft. Possibly the 345's?!? Or have SQ transfered their 773 slots to VS?!? Or SQ giving up their own 330 slots?!?
Of course all pure speculation- maybe we will have to wait and see...
I agree with you on this, I don't see VS going with a whole new line of aircraft due to the wait times on them.
I dont see the 345's coming over to VS due to the CASM of them on VS routes..however there are a few of them coming up for sale and if the price is right who knows.
The 330 is the perfect aircraft right now for the VS medium length/off peak routes, but they are in demand froma lot of airlines.
Scrooge is AFAIK pretty much spot on.
Some routes that VS operate are load restricted due to the distance involved, weight of seats, IFE, cargo etc. The introduction of V Port and the UCS resulted in the plane being a lot heavier. This results in destinations like HKG, NRT and I believe the SA routes carrying less cargo in order to be able to get off the ground.
NZ have a simular problem- they are allowed to fly Australia-LAX route but cannot due to the fact that there 744's are so heavy, thanks to the new UCS, new IFE etc that they wouldnt be able to make it and they don't want to operate it load restricted.
VS decided to order the HGW version because it has a strengthened structure, increased fuel capacity, more powerful engines and new manufacturing techniques like laser beam welding. This means that it has a higher MTOW- allowing VS routes, like NRT and HKG to no longer be load restricted. In simple non jargon speak- they have bigger engines to get off the ground so can carry more weight.
Basically its a way of making more money!!! At present Qatar and Emirates are operating them.
The weight of the 346 is very critical to VS- in fact the original models destined for VS were given to CX and IB as they wings were too heavy to be able to operate VS routes to the Far East.
Some routes that VS operate are load restricted due to the distance involved, weight of seats, IFE, cargo etc. The introduction of V Port and the UCS resulted in the plane being a lot heavier. This results in destinations like HKG, NRT and I believe the SA routes carrying less cargo in order to be able to get off the ground.
NZ have a simular problem- they are allowed to fly Australia-LAX route but cannot due to the fact that there 744's are so heavy, thanks to the new UCS, new IFE etc that they wouldnt be able to make it and they don't want to operate it load restricted.
VS decided to order the HGW version because it has a strengthened structure, increased fuel capacity, more powerful engines and new manufacturing techniques like laser beam welding. This means that it has a higher MTOW- allowing VS routes, like NRT and HKG to no longer be load restricted. In simple non jargon speak- they have bigger engines to get off the ground so can carry more weight.
Basically its a way of making more money!!! At present Qatar and Emirates are operating them.
The weight of the 346 is very critical to VS- in fact the original models destined for VS were given to CX and IB as they wings were too heavy to be able to operate VS routes to the Far East.
As a pax this is all very interesting. Having flown both the 343 and 346 recently, at the front anyway the 343 gives a poorer ride (in turbulence) and is noisier.
If the 343 fleet is to be expanded, I hope money saved on the 346s means the 343s get V-PORT. Does anyone know how the seat-mile cost of a fully laden 343 vs 346 on say LHR-DEL assuming a typical frieght load. As an aside will 343s return to DEL in the summer?
330s would seem to better economically than either on the new routes, the Middle East and India. But I am only an interested amateur.
If the 343 fleet is to be expanded, I hope money saved on the 346s means the 343s get V-PORT. Does anyone know how the seat-mile cost of a fully laden 343 vs 346 on say LHR-DEL assuming a typical frieght load. As an aside will 343s return to DEL in the summer?
330s would seem to better economically than either on the new routes, the Middle East and India. But I am only an interested amateur.
Originally posted by VS045
JNB is often weight-listed I think so would be a good route for HGWs although having only one in the fleet seems a bit pointless[:?]
VS.
Yes JNB is- I belive CPT is as well- especially given that only some of the 343 fleet can fly out of it due to differing engine power and altitude.
Agreed- although, taking Snows source into account that is what we will be left with.
Of course the Boeing equiv of the 346 HGW is the 773er- which SQ have a lot on order at the moment [:?].
It all strikes me as very very odd.
Not sure of your informant willd but they aren't correct on a few counts. Firstly the A346 operated by CX are actually different weights & operate over longer sectors than VS (HKG-JFK), they have lot's of little differences to VS aircraft (all are T556 powered) & i'm 99% sure they were never destined for VS. Secondly Emirates do not operate A346HGW (or any A346's), they operate A343 & A345 & did not take up their order for the A346HGW (& why would you if you operate the superior B773ER). Lastly with reference to the HGW, basically all aircraft built will be to the new HGW standard & the engines are actually the same but at the max rating (in fact VS have a mix of T553 & T556 but may derate all their Trent 500 engines to T553 as it reduces maintenance costs).
As for our friend virgin is the best, the most exciting announcement i can imagine would be an order for A350's or B787's & the least exciting would be the return of G-VSKY to VS!!!!
As for our friend virgin is the best, the most exciting announcement i can imagine would be an order for A350's or B787's & the least exciting would be the return of G-VSKY to VS!!!!
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