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#261098 by Scrooge
29 Oct 2009, 10:58
VROC lost a tire on take off from JNB, there is damage to the landing gear and the landing gear door.

No idea how long it will be out of action yet, but you can bet the schedule just went to hell.

So where did VS park those spare aircraft, nice and close like I told them to ????
#728571 by Neil
29 Oct 2009, 11:36
Will be interesting to see how the new streamlined VS fleet cope with this.
Neil
#728611 by FamilyMan
29 Oct 2009, 12:53
quote:Originally posted by Scrooge
VROC lost a tire on take off from JNB, there is damage to the landing gear and the landing gear door.

No idea how long it will be out of action yet, but you can bet the schedule just went to hell.

So where did VS park those spare aircraft, nice and close like I told them to ????

Curious Scrooge - did it continue to London or did it reland at JNB?

FM
#728637 by honey lamb
29 Oct 2009, 14:46
quote:Originally posted by FamilyMan
quote:Originally posted by Scrooge
VROC lost a tire on take off from JNB, there is damage to the landing gear and the landing gear door.

No idea how long it will be out of action yet, but you can bet the schedule just went to hell.

So where did VS park those spare aircraft, nice and close like I told them to ????

Curious Scrooge - did it continue to London or did it reland at JNB?

FM

It continued on to LHR and landed there losing the landing gear door in the process and leaving debris on the runway. Don't know how that affected operations in LHR first thing
#728638 by slinky09
29 Oct 2009, 14:51
Wow, could have been nasty - did they not know until landing.

What with ferrying Gordon Brown, US football league, parked planes etc. This can only be bad news.
#728663 by kered
29 Oct 2009, 20:10
I saw G-VROC at a T3 stand today, as we taxied past on our way to the active for my LHR-DUB on EI.

Didn't notice anything amiss with her though [:(]
#728666 by Scrooge
29 Oct 2009, 20:27
Trust me on this one, she is hurting right now.
#728723 by kered
30 Oct 2009, 15:38
Oh Im not doubting you or saying you are wrong at all Scrooge [:#]

Just that I didnt notice anything out of the ordinary yesterday when I saw her at the gate.

We were taxing down past T3 & I was looking at A340 after A340 & was wondering if VS had any 744s left at LHR at all, when I spotted V-ROC at the gate.
#728776 by Scrooge
30 Oct 2009, 23:56
Sorry, I just can not be real open about my source, but it happened right at take off and could be heard through out the plane, I am actually kind of surprised they didn't dump fuel and return to JNB.
#728782 by honey lamb
31 Oct 2009, 01:08
quote:Originally posted by Scrooge
Sorry, I just can not be real open about my source, but it happened right at take off and could be heard through out the plane, I am actually kind of surprised they didn't dump fuel and return to JNB.

I have the same source and I too was surprised they didn't return to JNB especially when I learned the extent of the damage. When I was flying back on VS2 there has been a debate about cancelling the flight when a door was inoperative. This incident in JNB to me was more serious but then I'm not the captain
#728796 by Scrooge
31 Oct 2009, 12:23
Exactly, it is really not our place to second guess the captain, though I am sure the CAA will be looking at it.
#728804 by ilikebluesmarties
31 Oct 2009, 13:36
I am not a pilot myself but can possibly see why the captain made the decision to carry on to LHR.

Once the damage was sustained the outcome of the following landing would of been the same at either JNB or LHR, however the downside would be that maintenance from Virgin's own engineers would be further away, Passengers would of had to be repatriated on SAA/BA's flights and as previously mentioned a great deal of fuel would of gone to waste.

Once at LHR the aircraft/captain had the required lower landing weight, had several large airports as diversionary options, greater technical support from its own engineers and less complications from side of things i.e. repatriation/hotels.

Whilst most of these points are probably neither here nor there and business points rather than safety implications, pilots are required, once safety concerns have been met to deal with and factor in, and as an emergency landing would more than likely have the same outcome in LHR as JNB then with the limited facts I think the pilot did the right thing, landing at a regular airfield over one with less familiarity
#728849 by Scrooge
31 Oct 2009, 22:14
The only thing is and again I really shouldn't be second guessing the Captain here, but flying a number of hours at altitude with a wounded plane isn't really that great of an idea.
#728866 by slinky09
01 Nov 2009, 08:19
quote:Originally posted by Scrooge
The only thing is and again I really shouldn't be second guessing the Captain here, but flying a number of hours at altitude with a wounded plane isn't really that great of an idea.


Did he/she know how wounded I wonder? And, if not, what might that lead to in terms of deciding to fly on ... guess we'll see how long it takes VROC to come back into service.
#728869 by Golf747
01 Nov 2009, 09:18
Think there is enough slack in the schedule to cope with ROC out for a few days. She wasn't due to fly that day anyway so diidn't cause any disruption to the schedule. Hopefully will be back in the air soon....
#729251 by FamilyMan
05 Nov 2009, 11:28
quote:Originally posted by ilikebluesmarties
Once the damage was sustained the outcome of the following landing would of been the same at either JNB or LHR, however the downside would be that maintenance from Virgin's own engineers would be further away, Passengers would of had to be repatriated on SAA/BA's flights and as previously mentioned a great deal of fuel would of gone to waste..

Another advantage of LHR would have been a daylight landing - returning to JNB for a night landing surely would not have been preferred. However I take the point on the wounded plane at altitude. Interesting. And thanks HL for answering my original question.[y]

FM
#729272 by Bill S
05 Nov 2009, 14:13
The tire may have blown in the last stages of take-off (if it was early they would have rejected) but the aircraft damage seemed to have occurred on landing when the weight came on the gear.

A 'heavy' landing with full fuel load could have been decidedly less safe, at night and at a less well equipped airport.

As always - wait for the report....
#729366 by jwhite9185
06 Nov 2009, 16:45
She was due to be painted in the new livery shortly. Wonder how this affects things?
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