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#249270 by Treelo
15 May 2007, 22:39
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So the day had arrived and off we set for Manchester Airport. We had checked in online the previous day and used the print your boarding pass facility. Wont print one again it runs into 2 x A4 size pages with the next of kin details from the reverse of a regular boarding split between the end of one page and the start of another. Or would that be because of my printer defaults [:I]

Still, never mind. Made good time up the M6 and got to the airport about 2 hrs before departure. Time for breakfast and a quick tour round the duty free shop before settling at the gate with newspaper and MP3 player. Boarding was slick and professional with no unsightly scrum at the priority boarding line, and we were quickly on board G-VROS English Rose (so not even Odyssey IFE [n]). Boarding was so good that we were ready to roll about 10 mins before ETD, UNTIL, on the call for doors to automatic or manual I never get them the right way round we hit the snag [:#]. One of the doors on the upper deck would not perform as directed and so, to cut a long and very tedious story short, the airbridge had to be reconnected to allow engineers on board to fix the problem. They did fix it 1_ hours later and we eventually got underway. Give him his due, the captain kept us informed every ten minutes or so and credit to the crew for the juice and water runs during our enforced stay at MAN [^].

The flight itself was totally uneventful and lunch was the usual chicken/beef/veggie option. The braised beef was rather tasty and even the present Mrs Treelo said her chicken something was OK. Watched Pursuit of Happyness and Dreamgirls on Nova and even managed an hours doze.

Following the door problem, we got in to MCO 1 hr late, made our way into a crowded immigration hall and, after what seemed like hours, made it to baggage reclaim. We then spent 50 minutes in the Dollar rental queue [|)], but all the frustrating waiting vanished as we sat on the pool deck about 40 mins later drinking in the rays of the beautiful Florida sunshine (and the first ice-cold G&T [y] [:o)])

The flight back was also uneventful. PE this time aboard G-VLIP Hot Lips (Nova again). Hot Lips wasnt looking too bad with new (or refurbished) seat covers but some of the plastic trim was a bit worse for wear. Attentive cabin crew offered drinks on arrival at 79A and C (my favourite PE upstairs) and we settled in. Take off was on time with a shortish crossing predicted. No menu cards on board (crew apologised) but new PE amenity kit and blankets (both purple) and fruit bowl in evidence. Mrs Treelo had shrimp and scallops with rice and I chose the chicken (something) with squash and mash. However, on taking off the foil, the meal WARNING for those of you with a delicate stomach, LOOK AWAY NOW resembled something the cat coughed up [:$]. It was immediately whipped away by the CC and was replaced by a wonderful vegetable ravioli. The rest of the meal, raspberry marble cake and coulis and Babybel Blond cheese and crackers was equally as tasty.

Following the Brandy and Baileys round, we tried the Sailor 99-recommended Melatonin sleep cure. Mrs T managed a couple of fitful hours, but as I find it very difficult to sleep on aircraft it came as no surprise to me that I just could not cross the bridge to the land of Nod. But hey, if it works for you. Anyway I watched a really good doculogue ish type film by Emilio Estevez entitled Bobby, about the events leading up to the Bobby Kennedy shooting. Watch it if you can.

Manchester loomed some 40 mins early, luggage came off fairly quickly and we were out of the airport and homeward bound. Left MCO in 330C sun and got to MAN in 80c rain. Still it was worth it [:D].
#406682 by honey lamb
15 May 2007, 22:48
Left MCO in 330C sun and got to MAN in 80c rain

Coo, that was hot! And you came back to warm rain. [:o)]

Thanks for the TR.

Do I take it that although meals in PE are now on plates they still serve the foil covered cartons? [:?]
#406683 by Treelo
15 May 2007, 22:53
Originally posted by honey lamb
Left MCO in 330C sun and got to MAN in 80c rain

Coo, that was hot! And you came back to warm rain. [:o)]

Thanks for the TR.

Do I take it that although meals in PE are now on plates they still serve the foil covered cartons? [:?]


Obviously my sub/super script buttons are not programmed properly! - divide all temperatures by 10 [|:)]

No plates honeylamb, meals served in foil-covered dishettes but with 'real' cutlery.
#406688 by DMetters-Bone
15 May 2007, 23:25
Thanks for the TR, glad you had a good flight, good to hear that the Y FA did the juice/water run while you were delayed.

DMB
#406691 by buns
15 May 2007, 23:28
Treelo

Thanks for the combined TR - ful of useful snipets[y][y]

For someone as techncally challenged as myself, you have confirmed my continued preference for dealing ith a real check in person rather than resorting to printing off boarding cards[:D][:D]

We then spent 50 minutes in the Dollar rental queue

Mrs buns and I have now taken to picking up the rental car from MCO the following day, it saves all the hastle.

Thanks once again


buns
#406695 by honey lamb
15 May 2007, 23:34
Originally posted by buns4vs
Treelo



For someone as techncally challenged as myself, you have confirmed my continued preference for dealing ith a real check in person rather than resorting to printing off boarding cards[:D][:D]

buns



Technically challenged or not, I'd rather a 'proper' boarding card - especially if I were travelling in UC rather than a piece of A4 paper with smudged printing and the colour not quite right because I am running out of ink. In any case I like to hold on to my boarding card stubs
#406705 by MarkJ
16 May 2007, 00:04
Thanks for the TR Treelo - excellent stuff.

I am sure this has been ppsoted elesehwere - but as its releveant to Treelo's TR - To try and minimise the wait time for the Dollar rental car and there at least two of you. Separate and one of you goes to the car rental queue and the other gets the luggage. You will find that most people wait for the luggage together and then go to the car rental queue - so this tip gets one of you ahead of the crowd. If there is a line there, then again, at least you can get in it and so be ahead of some of the others.

I do beleive that last time we were there they had a FVC line too - so if yo are a FVC member use that to bypass the main queue!!
#406715 by HighFlyer
16 May 2007, 00:30
and even the present Mrs Treelo


Aaah, a Radio 2 fan i presume? [:D] Glad you had a good trip to (and from) MCO. I'm with the others in terms of going to the car rental desk BEFORE grabbing your luggage [:D] Especially as 'priority' luggage doesn't seem to make an inch of difference these days.

Thanks,
Sarah
#406733 by AlanA
16 May 2007, 09:12
Originally posted by buns4vs

Mrs buns and I have now taken to picking up the rental car from MCO the following day, it saves all the hastle.

Thanks once again


buns




We use Hertz, good prices and no queuing, straight to the car and away. (well, after a bus ride to the compound....)
#406758 by Treelo
16 May 2007, 12:42
Originally posted by MarkJ
Thanks for the TR Treelo - excellent stuff.

I am sure this has been ppsoted elesehwere - but as its releveant to Treelo's TR - To try and minimise the wait time for the Dollar rental car and there at least two of you. Separate and one of you goes to the car rental queue and the other gets the luggage. You will find that most people wait for the luggage together and then go to the car rental queue - so this tip gets one of you ahead of the crowd. If there is a line there, then again, at least you can get in it and so be ahead of some of the others.

I do beleive that last time we were there they had a FVC line too - so if yo are a FVC member use that to bypass the main queue!!


Good advice about one going to each queue Mark. But surely the FVC tip only works if you have booked through VH. Otherwise, don't you still need to join the 'regular' Dollar queue [?]
#406761 by MarkJ
16 May 2007, 13:18
Originally posted by Treelo

Good advice about one going to each queue Mark. But surely the FVC tip only works if you have booked through VH. Otherwise, don't you still need to join the 'regular' Dollar queue [?]


Not sure - but if I had a FVC card I would probably show it and see!!
#406770 by willd
16 May 2007, 14:10
Originally posted by Treelo
on the call for 'doors to automatic' or manual Ð I never get them the right way round Ð we hit the snag [:#].


That would be doors to automatic. Automatic means that if the door is open the emergency slide is deployed. Manual means the slide must be deployed manually!

Originally posted by TreeloWe then spent 50 minutes in the Dollar rental queue [|)]


We use Thrifty- even though off airport at MCO- much quicker service than Dollar and often cheaper.
#406777 by Decker
16 May 2007, 15:18
I joined Dollar Express FOC and they're GREAT - they drop what you're doing to look after you... shame for the other clients but hey...
#406783 by pjh
16 May 2007, 15:58
Originally posted by MarkJ
I am sure this has been ppsoted elesehwere - but as its releveant to Treelo's TR - To try and minimise the wait time for the Dollar rental car and there at least two of you. Separate and one of you goes to the car rental queue and the other gets the luggage.


Can lead to some tension if there's an intervening shuttle ride between the arrival hall and the car hire desk. The first time I suggested this to the other half when we flew into LAX she was convinced that she'd never see me again...

Paul
#406788 by mike-smashing
16 May 2007, 16:22
Thanks for the informative TR.

Finally some TLC on the Gatwick fleet is paying off, and the 'G-VFOO looked really dirty inside' isn't happening. Really bad news about the 'chicken a la cat sick' though.

Reading about your sleeping on planes issue, it sounds a lot like me. I find it really difficult to sleep, even with 'assistance' and usually end up feeling awful by the time I get off the plane because the sleep drugs didn't work, and I got no sleep too. There's no replacement for being genuinely tired. Then I'll sleep almost anywhere.

Can I make one comment - I think GJ also mentioned this elsewhere, as it's becoming a worrying trend, and I urge everyone to take note - please do each flight as a seperate TR in future.

(There have been several TRs with outward/return or multiple sectors combined recently. I really dislike this trend.)

By doing each sector individually get accurate ratings for outbound from UK and inbound to UK flights - and we can easily see if one is better than the other, and readily work out to which direction things like menus, IFE selections apply, and, dare I say it, attentiveness of crew apply.

In your case, you flew in different cabins, but only supplied one set of ratings - so they don't register properlu against the particular cabin you travelled in, making the 'crime' even more heinous [;)].

Cheers,
Mike
#406826 by Treelo
16 May 2007, 22:22
Originally posted by mike-smashing
Thanks for the informative TR.

Finally some TLC on the Gatwick fleet is paying off, and the 'G-VFOO looked really dirty inside' isn't happening. Really bad news about the 'chicken a la cat sick' though.

Reading about your sleeping on planes issue, it sounds a lot like me. I find it really difficult to sleep, even with 'assistance' and usually end up feeling awful by the time I get off the plane because the sleep drugs didn't work, and I got no sleep too. There's no replacement for being genuinely tired. Then I'll sleep almost anywhere.

Can I make one comment - I think GJ also mentioned this elsewhere, as it's becoming a worrying trend, and I urge everyone to take note - please do each flight as a seperate TR in future.

(There have been several TRs with outward/return or multiple sectors combined recently. I really dislike this trend.)

By doing each sector individually get accurate ratings for outbound from UK and inbound to UK flights - and we can easily see if one is better than the other, and readily work out to which direction things like menus, IFE selections apply, and, dare I say it, attentiveness of crew apply.

In your case, you flew in different cabins, but only supplied one set of ratings - so they don't register properlu against the particular cabin you travelled in, making the 'crime' even more heinous [;)].

Cheers,
Mike


Mike, I apologise for any offence caused by what you puzzingly describe as a 'worrying trend' but I didn't realise there was a prescribed TR template to which one is expected to reigidly adhere [?].
#406827 by Treelo
16 May 2007, 22:25
Originally posted by mike-smashing
Thanks for the informative TR.

Finally some TLC on the Gatwick fleet is paying off, and the 'G-VFOO looked really dirty inside' isn't happening. Really bad news about the 'chicken a la cat sick' though.

Reading about your sleeping on planes issue, it sounds a lot like me. I find it really difficult to sleep, even with 'assistance' and usually end up feeling awful by the time I get off the plane because the sleep drugs didn't work, and I got no sleep too. There's no replacement for being genuinely tired. Then I'll sleep almost anywhere.

Can I make one comment - I think GJ also mentioned this elsewhere, as it's becoming a worrying trend, and I urge everyone to take note - please do each flight as a seperate TR in future.

(There have been several TRs with outward/return or multiple sectors combined recently. I really dislike this trend.)

By doing each sector individually get accurate ratings for outbound from UK and inbound to UK flights - and we can easily see if one is better than the other, and readily work out to which direction things like menus, IFE selections apply, and, dare I say it, attentiveness of crew apply.

In your case, you flew in different cabins, but only supplied one set of ratings - so they don't register properlu against the particular cabin you travelled in, making the 'crime' even more heinous [;)].

Cheers,
Mike


Mike, I apologise for any offence caused by what you puzzingly describe as a 'worrying trend' but I didn't realise there was a prescribed TR template to which one is expected to rigidly adhere [?].
#406831 by n/a
16 May 2007, 23:11
Originally posted by Treelo
Mike, I apologise for any offence caused by what you puzzingly describe as a 'worrying trend' but I didn't realise there was a prescribed TR template to which one is expected to rigidly adhere [?].


Now, now...let's all take a deep breath. Mike was very level-headed in his approach and no one is pushing any pins into you for your TR. It's obviously a good one and attracting lots of thoughtful comments.

May I attempt to offer the keystone piece of the puzzling puzzle around the 'worrying trend?' Basically, of the current top 4 TRs, 3 are combined TRs. The full value of the TR is not realized in such form. By rating each seperate leg, anoraks like me (and I hazard to guess, plenty of others) can get a feel for service variations for direction of flight, route, class, season, etc. Mike -- and I'll admit, I and others -- merely was stating his preference without being accusatory, demeaning or pernicious.

As for the 'rigid adherence' to a template, I think you have a point. Whilst there is most certainly a template for the structure of a TR, there is no obvious guidance -- gentle or otherwise -- that each TR should truly only consist of one leg. That's an opportunity for our web gurus to perhaps include so as to avoid anyone feeling put upon in the future.

In the end, I don't think Mike meant any harm nor foul against you in his tone or his message.

GJ
#406840 by honey lamb
17 May 2007, 00:46
I can see both sides of the equation. Obviously the purists among us (and I admit to being one) would prefer individual TRs for each sector especially when it comes to filling in the little gauges at the side of the TR but the difficulty for many people is that there is very little difference between the trips - especially if the return trip is an overnight one and they have tried to/managed to sleep on that leg. All that is to report on is check-in and take-off and perhaps a food service and this is especially true if both legs are taken in the same class.

I think it should also be borne in mind that not everyone has the same poetic flow of language and while I love the longer, more detailed trip reports, not everyone has the descriptive qualities or nuances of, for example, Black Cat, and I really appreciate the efforts of those for whom it is a burden and a struggle to file a TR and that should be acknowledged. Perhaps a way around it is that a rating system for both outbound and inbound for those who are find it difficult to file a second report can be found.

I do however think that if each leg is in a different class a separate report should be filed. What might be accepted as good enough in economy might be considered poor in PE
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