McClaren Must Die

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#426539 by n/a
21 Nov 2007, 22:53
Well that's it, then. A couple final thoughts on the game:

1. If Brian Barwick doesn't have an announcement within the hour regarding McClaren's sacking, then he's not fit to lead the FA

2. If anyone thinks Beckham is overrated, they are insane.

It's a shame that it took a defeat to prove either point -- both were quite self-evident to me -- but there you have it.

GJ

#666539 by n/a
21 Nov 2007, 22:53
Well that's it, then. A couple final thoughts on the game:

1. If Brian Barwick doesn't have an announcement within the hour regarding McClaren's sacking, then he's not fit to lead the FA

2. If anyone thinks Beckham is overrated, they are insane.

It's a shame that it took a defeat to prove either point -- both were quite self-evident to me -- but there you have it.

GJ

#426544 by AlanA
21 Nov 2007, 23:02
they played us off the pitch.
Sharp passing, movement, hell I thought we were supposed to be the quick leagues, that crap of slow build up, then reverting to hoofing the long ball..pathetic.

Absymal marking, with the exception of Beckham rubbish passing of the ball, and no guts to go and get the ball from them. Too many of them just standing there ball watching.

Time for a huge clear out of these overpaid could not care less about their country, wasters, from Barwick downwards.

#666544 by AlanA
21 Nov 2007, 23:02
they played us off the pitch.
Sharp passing, movement, hell I thought we were supposed to be the quick leagues, that crap of slow build up, then reverting to hoofing the long ball..pathetic.

Absymal marking, with the exception of Beckham rubbish passing of the ball, and no guts to go and get the ball from them. Too many of them just standing there ball watching.

Time for a huge clear out of these overpaid could not care less about their country, wasters, from Barwick downwards.

#426546 by Paul H
21 Nov 2007, 23:09
New word for the English dictionary. Can be used in phrases thus.

Whoops I have stood in some McClaren.
I`m just off for a McClaren.
You`re McClaren and you know you are.
You`re so McClaren it`s unbelieveable.
etc. etc.

Only Crouch can look in the mirror tonight.

#666546 by Paul H
21 Nov 2007, 23:09
New word for the English dictionary. Can be used in phrases thus.

Whoops I have stood in some McClaren.
I`m just off for a McClaren.
You`re McClaren and you know you are.
You`re so McClaren it`s unbelieveable.
etc. etc.

Only Crouch can look in the mirror tonight.

#426552 by Scrooge
21 Nov 2007, 23:32
Originally posted by RichardMannion
Does this mean they are out of Euro 2008? Thank f*ck for that - will stop some of the stupidity we see at each World Cup/Euro by certain English 'fans'.


[V]

Add Mannion to the list of people that will go against the wall [y]

#666552 by Scrooge
21 Nov 2007, 23:32
Originally posted by RichardMannion
Does this mean they are out of Euro 2008? Thank f*ck for that - will stop some of the stupidity we see at each World Cup/Euro by certain English 'fans'.


[V]

Add Mannion to the list of people that will go against the wall [y]

#426553 by n/a
21 Nov 2007, 23:39
Richard, whilst I can certainly understand your dismay with the behaviour of certain hooligan elements, I do not think that the side's relegation from Euro 2008 ought to be celebrated for the reason you state.

In truth, World Cup and Euro competitions create a vast array electric, joyful and memorable experiences. Speaking from experience -- having been to Berlin in the last World Cup season and attending Germany v Argentina -- I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of people are there to support their side, their sport, their country -- not to cause trouble and affray. I'll never forget WC2006, in Berlin, and then later in the week whilst down in Italy, and the camaraderie and fun that existed there between supporters.

To your point, though, it's a shame that there are yobs whose behaviour create opinions such as yours -- it's understandable and all I can say is that it's not just England fans that exhibit it.

GJ

#666553 by n/a
21 Nov 2007, 23:39
Richard, whilst I can certainly understand your dismay with the behaviour of certain hooligan elements, I do not think that the side's relegation from Euro 2008 ought to be celebrated for the reason you state.

In truth, World Cup and Euro competitions create a vast array electric, joyful and memorable experiences. Speaking from experience -- having been to Berlin in the last World Cup season and attending Germany v Argentina -- I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of people are there to support their side, their sport, their country -- not to cause trouble and affray. I'll never forget WC2006, in Berlin, and then later in the week whilst down in Italy, and the camaraderie and fun that existed there between supporters.

To your point, though, it's a shame that there are yobs whose behaviour create opinions such as yours -- it's understandable and all I can say is that it's not just England fans that exhibit it.

GJ

#426554 by RichardMannion
21 Nov 2007, 23:46
I suppose it's a little deeper rooted for me. I have a general disdain for band-wagons that we as the UK seem to be expected to jump on. Let's take the recent Rugby World cup. There are the true fans that watch the sport through thick and thin, and then those that only get interested when they look like there may be a chance of the team winning.

I've watched football 'fans' rip into each other based on their personal team preferences but then stand there and support players they have criticised in the past because they are now playing for 'England'.

I will watch sport, but I don't particulary support a team - just because I am British (no such thing as being English) doesn't mean I have to stand loyal to our national teams.

And if you want an interesting debate, fans vs corporate money is a fascinating one. Is it sport nowadays or is it a lucrative business?

Thanks,
Richard

#666554 by RichardMannion
21 Nov 2007, 23:46
I suppose it's a little deeper rooted for me. I have a general disdain for band-wagons that we as the UK seem to be expected to jump on. Let's take the recent Rugby World cup. There are the true fans that watch the sport through thick and thin, and then those that only get interested when they look like there may be a chance of the team winning.

I've watched football 'fans' rip into each other based on their personal team preferences but then stand there and support players they have criticised in the past because they are now playing for 'England'.

I will watch sport, but I don't particulary support a team - just because I am British (no such thing as being English) doesn't mean I have to stand loyal to our national teams.

And if you want an interesting debate, fans vs corporate money is a fascinating one. Is it sport nowadays or is it a lucrative business?

Thanks,
Richard

#426559 by Decker
21 Nov 2007, 23:50
Watched the last 10 minutes in the bar. Did Croatia dominate the entire game? I don't know a LOT about football but they seemed very good.

#666559 by Decker
21 Nov 2007, 23:50
Watched the last 10 minutes in the bar. Did Croatia dominate the entire game? I don't know a LOT about football but they seemed very good.

#426560 by VS075
21 Nov 2007, 23:58
Methinks a P45 form is what Mr McClaren deserves.

#666560 by VS075
21 Nov 2007, 23:58
Methinks a P45 form is what Mr McClaren deserves.

#426563 by RichardMannion
22 Nov 2007, 00:07
Originally posted by VS075
Methinks a P45 form is what Mr McClaren deserves.


So I've just searched - £2.5m a year salary? WTF. And a severance clause of a years salary to him. Double WTF.

#666563 by RichardMannion
22 Nov 2007, 00:07
Originally posted by VS075
Methinks a P45 form is what Mr McClaren deserves.


So I've just searched - 2.5m a year salary? WTF. And a severance clause of a years salary to him. Double WTF.

#426564 by n/a
22 Nov 2007, 00:07
Originally posted by Decker

Did Croatia dominate the entire game?


Except for an all-too-brief England rally after the half, yes, they did.

Originally posted by RichardMannion
I have a general disdain for band-wagons that we as the UK seem to be expected to jump on.


I assure you, we have the same dynamic here and it's laughable. Our American football team, the Seahawks, went to the Superbowl recently and suddenly everyone was wearing kit to work. Laughable. All I can tell you is I would be an England fan if we never qualified for a tournament again and a Manchester United fan if we went down to the Conference.

I've watched football 'fans' rip into each other based on their personal team preferences but then stand there and support players they have criticised in the past because they are now playing for 'England'.


[:I] Wellllllll...I have been known to hurl invective at England players Stevie G, Crouchy and other Scousers whilst they wear the Liverpool shirt. But I count it up to my advanced mind and its ability to compartmentalise emotional attachments as circumstances require [|:)]

just because I am British (no such thing as being English) doesn't mean I have to stand loyal to our national teams.


If one is born in England, doesn't that make one English? Not taking the pi**, just asking. And I am a textbook example of not being a supporter of my own national team...I happen to support England because of its style of play (forgetting tonight...), its history/tradition, and the sheer spirit of its fans. It's a club to which I am proud to belong [y]

And if you want an interesting debate, fans vs corporate money is a fascinating one. Is it sport nowadays or is it a lucrative business?


Speaking only for myself, when I step onto a pitch, at age 44, with aching knees and lower back, to play in 30 degree weather with driving rain, I can assure you -- it's still about the sport, mate!

GJ

#666564 by n/a
22 Nov 2007, 00:07
Originally posted by Decker

Did Croatia dominate the entire game?


Except for an all-too-brief England rally after the half, yes, they did.

Originally posted by RichardMannion
I have a general disdain for band-wagons that we as the UK seem to be expected to jump on.


I assure you, we have the same dynamic here and it's laughable. Our American football team, the Seahawks, went to the Superbowl recently and suddenly everyone was wearing kit to work. Laughable. All I can tell you is I would be an England fan if we never qualified for a tournament again and a Manchester United fan if we went down to the Conference.

I've watched football 'fans' rip into each other based on their personal team preferences but then stand there and support players they have criticised in the past because they are now playing for 'England'.


[:I] Wellllllll...I have been known to hurl invective at England players Stevie G, Crouchy and other Scousers whilst they wear the Liverpool shirt. But I count it up to my advanced mind and its ability to compartmentalise emotional attachments as circumstances require [|:)]

just because I am British (no such thing as being English) doesn't mean I have to stand loyal to our national teams.


If one is born in England, doesn't that make one English? Not taking the pi**, just asking. And I am a textbook example of not being a supporter of my own national team...I happen to support England because of its style of play (forgetting tonight...), its history/tradition, and the sheer spirit of its fans. It's a club to which I am proud to belong [y]

And if you want an interesting debate, fans vs corporate money is a fascinating one. Is it sport nowadays or is it a lucrative business?


Speaking only for myself, when I step onto a pitch, at age 44, with aching knees and lower back, to play in 30 degree weather with driving rain, I can assure you -- it's still about the sport, mate!

GJ

#426567 by RichardMannion
22 Nov 2007, 00:21
Always fun to ask people what nationality they are, and watch them say English. Then ask them to consult their passport for them to show me where it says 'English'. British is the answer they are really looking for. Pedantic. Never.

Nice to know the old boys still play football!

#666567 by RichardMannion
22 Nov 2007, 00:21
Always fun to ask people what nationality they are, and watch them say English. Then ask them to consult their passport for them to show me where it says 'English'. British is the answer they are really looking for. Pedantic. Never.

Nice to know the old boys still play football!

#426568 by n/a
22 Nov 2007, 00:29
Originally posted by RichardMannion
Always fun to ask people what nationality they are, and watch them say English. Then ask them to consult their passport for them to show me where it says 'English'. British is the answer they are really looking for. Pedantic. Never.


Fair point.

Nice to know the old boys still play football!


You should see me, mate -- last defender between the ball and the keeper and i let nothing through! [y]

GJ
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