Grrr LHR Clubhouse

Last time I was here we had to evacuate the clubhouse for a fire alarm and spent an hour loitering in the corridor.

Now we have just arrived to be told there is no hot water and hence no food other than what is available on the cold buffet and also some treatments that require hot water, the spa and showers are out.

Am I just unlucky or are there frequently issues here

[Darren Wheeler]

Unlucky I think.

You must be very unlucky. I've never had a problem before.

[Darren Wheeler]

Jinx more like it [;)]

[HighFlyer]

Thats unfortuate. Mental note - dont travel when griffog does [:D]

On a serious note, I have been in the Clubhouse once when the hot water hasnt been working and a number of treatments in the Cowshed were cancelled. I was having a hair cut that day and had my hair washed in ice cold water which wasnt much fun but at least i still got my requested treatment.

Thanks,
Sarah

LOL, ah well, the wine is still lovely and everything else is as good as ever. The check-in was smooth apart from the bundle through passport control and the shoe check and registered for IRIS.

My daughter's haircut is still On so that's Ok and I can chill with a glass of red and get some work done!

Originally posted by griffog
Now we have just arrived to be told there is no hot water and hence no food other than what is available on the cold buffet

Ok, am I being really thick here, but why do you need hote water to cook food?

Boo

Originally posted by Boo Boo

Originally posted by griffog
Now we have just arrived to be told there is no hot water and hence no food other than what is available on the cold buffet

Ok, am I being really thick here, but why do you need hote water to cook food?

Boo

A good question ... it can't be to do with the cleaning ... perhaps they have steam ovens?

As to luck, or circumstance, there was a time when the clubhouse in its first phase and work was going on in the terminal which left it free of hot water on more than one occasion - since then it's not recurred for me.

They cite 'elfin safety' as the reason, I had thought it might be because they hand wash the dishes but who knows!

[fozzyo]

Same problem hit Dean last week when he flew to HK!

Originally posted by slinky09
A good question ... it can't be to do with the cleaning ... perhaps they have steam ovens?

Surely steam ovens use cold water in and the electric oven heats the ware to the required temperature. I am pretty sure that most dishwashers work the same way - cold water in, heat it to wash the dishes...

Ok, maybe you still need a LITTLE hot water to wash a few things by hand, but what has happened to using a kettle to heat-up a little water (not boil it)? Maybe that is where the 'health & safety' comes in? Can't trust a responsible grown adult not to heat the water too much (and dillute it with enough cold water) to not scold themselves? [ii]

Would hope that you could sanitise hands with cold water (and the right chemicals).

I don't know, just seems VERY lame to me: surely a bit of ingenuity and common sense could ensure that hot food was still produced. I agree that health and safety is important, but in this case it seems to be a very lame excuse (since personally I cook a hot meal just about every night and NEVER use hot water...).

Boo

Unfortunately with no hot water you are not allowed to serve food as the staff are unable to wash their hands. Cold water is not acceptable. I work for Virgin Trains and it is the case with us as well! The joys of Health and Safety!

Originally posted by dan87027
Unfortunately with no hot water you are not allowed to serve food as the staff are unable to wash their hands. Cold water is not acceptable. I work for Virgin Trains and it is the case with us as well! The joys of Health and Safety!

I believe you completely, but it just seems so ridiculous... surely their are plenty of hand sanitisers out there that don't require hot water? Very unnecessary H&S regulation.

I wonder how many people actually wash their hands with hot water too... to be honest, I use LOTS of soap, but the water that I normally use to wash my hands isn't usually very hot. And, in all honesty, I don't to have to rely on the scorching heat of the water to get rid of any germs... (don't want to 'boil wash' my hands... [ii] ).

God I hope that another world war breaks out - we would be sunk in this country because nobody would be able to do anything because of health and safety [:w]. Not that 'no hot water at the clubhouse' equates to a world war (by any stretch of the imagination), BUT these days there just seems to be a lack of 'make the best of things and work around problems' to get things done (often enforced by silly regulations etc).

Sorry, rant over...

Boo

I quite agree, think everyone is scared of their own shadow these days! The use of common sense seems to be sadly lacking in such circumstances.

[Darren Wheeler]

Most water-free hand cleaners, such as hospitals use, contain alcohol to kill bugs such as E-coli, salmonella and listeria. As such you cannot use them in a food preperation area.

*rant mode on*
Most H&S is plain commonsense. It's the over-zealous use of it as an excuse that causes the problems. A classic example is no conkers without goggles. The HSE said it was total rubbish. It's not a case of eliminating risk but of managing it to a acceptable level.
*rant mode off*
Off to darkened room

Originally posted by Darren Wheeler
Most water-free hand cleaners, such as hospitals use, contain alcohol to kill bugs such as E-coli, salmonella and listeria. As such you cannot use them in a food preperation area.

Do you know whether there is any acceptable (for use with cold water) alternative? Is hot water a necessity for clean hands? Is thoroughly washing with soap, but using cold water unacceptable? I don't mean from an HSE point of view, I mean from a germ killing point of view?

I am curious how hot (scientifitcally) the water has to be to kill germs (I would think HOT) and how many people do actually wash their hands in water of that temperature... [?]

Originally posted by Darren Wheeler
*rant mode on*
Most H&S is plain commonsense. It's the over-zealous use of it as an excuse that causes the problems. A classic example is no conkers without goggles. The HSE said it was total rubbish. It's not a case of eliminating risk but of managing it to a acceptable level.
*rant mode off*
Off to darkened room

Completely agreed, the only way that you can eliminate risk completely is not do something (don't fly, don't drive, don't leave the house, don't eat). That isn't practical or desirable.

It is interesting that commercially risk is often related to cost. I remember that in one industry that I worked in, there was a 'cost per life' (i.e. a financial price tag that each death cost). Safety measures were introduced IF either they required by law/regulation OR if the financial cost in 'lives saved' outweighed the 'cost to implement'. A lot of people would think/hope that EVERYTHING is done to prevent death/injury, but that is not the case: what is required is done and what is practical (financially) is done.

I think that too much H&S works to eliminate common sense (as people rely on it more, they don't use common sense and don't think for themselves enough). I remember seeing a programme on TV that said that if we all had a spike in the middle of our steering wheel (instead of an airbag), then we would all drive a lot safer and have less accidents!

Interesting area: risk - H&S etc... (just not when it gets silly!)

Boo