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#257951 by GodAtum
02 Feb 2009, 17:46
Found a very good review of Virgin vs BA, not sure if anybody has read it before but it makes an interesting read:

http://jetsetgo.org/2008/03/21/virgin-vs-ba-the-smackdown/

He compares the lounge, cabin, seats, food and service of Virgin UC and BA Club World.
#466964 by Scrooge
02 Feb 2009, 18:40
It's an interesting piece, written a while back (I am typing this as I read) so my comments with address each of his points.

CH v Terraces [y]

Cabin different strokes, I like them both

Seats mmmm to quote 'a soft mattress on the underside of the seat. Soft pillows and a down duvet follow' has anyone found this soft mattress yet ? I have heard about it, but never seen it [?] and the pillow...mm I am taking my own on my next UC flight.

However I have not flown in the latest generation of CW, but comparing the old NCW with the UCS, the UCS wins.

Food 'Virgin's food is simply terrible' until this latest menu I would have to agree and still BA wins [y]

Now the service he has spot on, as we have seen from the TR's lately on both BA and VS.

When it comes down to it, I would have no issue flying either carrier in J, after all it is far better than Y on either carrier.
#466966 by GodAtum
02 Feb 2009, 18:46
quote:Originally posted by Scrooge
Seats mmmm to quote 'a soft mattress on the underside of the seat. Soft pillows and a down duvet follow' has anyone found this soft mattress yet ? I have heard about it, but never seen it [?] and the pillow...mm I am taking my own on my next UC flight.

Food 'Virgin's food is simply terrible' until this latest menu I would have to agree and still BA wins [y]


Are UC beds not that comfy then? Have Virgin brought out a new menu? Do both carriers have proper metal cutley as shown in the pics?
#466969 by kered
02 Feb 2009, 18:59
I would have to give that review the thumbs up [y] as it pretty much sums up my feeling on both airlines. I've yet to sample the T5 Galleries lounges offered by BA, but seriously doubt they could come close to the Clubhouse. In March I get to see the 'Concorde Room' & 'Galleries First' at T5, but again, I can't see how either could equal, never mind top the Clubhouse.

I've also yet to try out the new CW, but expect it really to be just a re-decorated version of the previous one.

As a matter of interest, this is how I compared BA to VS over on another Frequent Traveller forum [:w]...........



If I were asked to summarise between BA & VS, based on my experiences to date, I would say that there was very little difference between the two, with VS nudging ahead somewhat. That is based on my travel with both airlines over the years, spread across the Y, W & J cabins.

In ÓYÓ, they are pretty much the same Ð Òa bus with wingsÓ nothing special, nothing horrific, just cattle class.

In ÓWÓ, VS have the edge over BA, in that I've always found the seat to be vastly more comfortable than BA's WTP seat. Pre-take off drinks is a nice touch that VS have over BA. Food is pretty much the same, which is essentially nothing more than economy food dressed up a little. Overall I've always felt that with BA, when travelling WTP you are really still ÒonlyÓ in economy albeit with a nicer seat. While this is essentially true, I have found that in VS's Premium Economy, you ÒfeelÓ as if you are in a class a step above economy.

Then in ÓJÓ I think the two airlines are pretty much level pegging. The VS Clubhouse is streets ahead of BA's lounges, but the product in the air is pretty much the same. I will concede that the food in Upper Class is not what it should be, but must counter that by saying that I've never had anything particularly brilliant in Club World either. It is after all airline food, which is never going to win any Michelin Stars. Seats wise, I prefer the UCS setup. It is a little annoying that you have to get up off your seat to turn into a bed, rather than being able to slowly recline you're way to horizontal, like you can in CW. However the direct aisle access from a window seat, more than compensates for this. As does the fact that you're not looking into the face of a stranger, if travelling alone, while the divider between the seats is done in CW.

There are two things though, that to my mind VS absolutely win hands down over BA. Two things that for me, have either made or broken a flight.

1) Seating pre-assignments - I always like to know where I'm going to be sitting & when planning a trip I will choose a flight that has a window seat available, or a window pair when travelling with ÒMrs KeredÓ. If that particular flight does not have those seats available, I will change to another flight or even to another date in order to get the seats I want. I absolutely hate that BA no longer allow seating pre-assignments to those without status, when booking a discounted ticket. I think it appalling that when shelling out thousands on a J class flight, you cannot select your seats in advance.

2) Individual air vents Ð I have spent many a hot & stuffy flight on a BA plane, with little or no air at the mercy of the climate control settings selected by the crew. In fact on occasion ÒMrs KeredÓ has ended up feeling quite ill on arrival, after an overnight flight home with BA. Whereas we have both got off VS flights, feeling bright & fresh. That small thing, of an air vent, makes such a huge difference to our flights.

Whenever we go on our long planned trip to Oz, we would never consider flying BA, as we both feel that it is just too long to spend on an airplane with no air.

We have our first ÒFirstÓ trip with BA in March to MIA & while we're really looking forward to it, we are concerned about the air issue. Although I think that the First cabin will be sufficiently roomy, that we should be ok.

So in general, I think there is very little to differentiate between the two airlines.

This of course is based solely on my own experiences, but that's all I have to go on. I fully respect & understand though that others would have a very different view to mine. But I can only relate my experience.

I also appreciate that the seating pre-assignments & individual air vents are very much personal preferences, but they do play an important part in our travel choices these days.
#466971 by Scrooge
02 Feb 2009, 19:36
quote:Originally posted by GodAtum
quote:Originally posted by Scrooge
Seats mmmm to quote 'a soft mattress on the underside of the seat. Soft pillows and a down duvet follow' has anyone found this soft mattress yet ? I have heard about it, but never seen it [?] and the pillow...mm I am taking my own on my next UC flight.

Food 'Virgin's food is simply terrible' until this latest menu I would have to agree and still BA wins [y]


Are UC beds not that comfy then? Have Virgin brought out a new menu? Do both carriers have proper metal cutley as shown in the pics?


It's not that the beds are uncomfortable, just they are not soft.

Yes there is a new menu that seems to be way better than the previous few.

Yep really cutlery.
#466979 by DragonLady
02 Feb 2009, 19:53
Down duvet?? Polyester yes, down?, ceratinly not.
#466982 by MarkedMan
02 Feb 2009, 19:56
Kered - you are more familiar than I am with the other forum's BA debates on both the seating assignment, and the First/CW food. But I'd say you're spot on on the seating, as controversial of a topic as this is. I just don't get it.

For me, main reasons for VS are 'cabin feel' and 'service style'. BA is the food. So our reviewer gives service short shrift relative to other topics, but the discussions on this and other sites suggest this is critical, in the end. Seating, type of food, wine, etc tend to be more uniform over time, level of service can shift more quickly IMO and flip customers.
#466983 by Guest
02 Feb 2009, 20:00
quote:Originally posted by GodAtum
quote:Originally posted by Scrooge
Seats mmmm to quote 'a soft mattress on the underside of the seat. Soft pillows and a down duvet follow' has anyone found this soft mattress yet ? I have heard about it, but never seen it [?] and the pillow...mm I am taking my own on my next UC flight.

Food 'Virgin's food is simply terrible' until this latest menu I would have to agree and still BA wins [y]


Are UC beds not that comfy then? Have Virgin brought out a new menu? Do both carriers have proper metal cutley as shown in the pics?


The NGWC bed win hands down for me over the UCS beds - I much prefer them in the recline and sleep position.

The new Concorde Room together with the Ememis spa wins me over the LHR Clubhouse (but i have a soft spot for the LGW one) but some may see that as apples and pears.

Food on either can be good or terrible.

Cabin Service with Virgin is better than with BA in my recent experience - and certainly the VS CDC checkin is the deal clincher for me.
#466994 by slinky09
02 Feb 2009, 21:07
Hmmm [:?] nothing new in any of it then. Whoopeee, BA has better grub and a reclining seat!
#467004 by s1990
02 Feb 2009, 21:59
Definately not a soft mattress.
However as a 6'4' person the extra length of the UCS as a bed makes a big difference.
Also no duvets or 'Sleep suits' on BA so for a night flight the UCS is my choice!
#467172 by oxmatt
04 Feb 2009, 10:36
On my CW flight from Sao Paulo on Sunday the white wine choice was Sauvignon Blanc or Pouilly-Fume... Not great if you don't like Sauvignon Blanc. Mrs Oxmatt was not pleased.

In my view the only thing that BA had over VS was the ability to recline into flat bed yourself, the fold down changing shelf in the WCs and also the layout was slightly nicer if you are travelling with a partner (but I acknowledge that makes it much worse if travelling alone).

Other than that service, meals and beverages were on a par. The best service I have had in business class remains on Delta (believe it or not) where the meal service was much better with the table being properly laid and each course served properly with new cutlery/glasses/wine etc.

VS has the edge on lounges, bed (longer and the duvet/PJs etc make it much better) other than the fact it can't be set up when the fasten seatbelt sign is on and the bar.
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