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#260708 by willd
18 Sep 2009, 12:08
Mods maybe we need a split topic here- one for G-VAST and her forthcoming wet lease?

This is an interesting development indeed. Certainly makes much more sense for VS to try and get some cash for her rather than just putting her out in the graveyards.

The question of where she may go is very interesting. I know that Lion Air of Indonesia have just taken 2x744's so that they can expand servies to Jeddah. I believe Lion Air are waiting for the EU ban on Indonesian airlines to be lifted, so they can start services to Europe. However I don't see why they would take a leased 744 for a relative short period of time (unless they need it for the Hajj).

Of course with the Hajj flights coming up in late Novemember should could end up flying for one of the Hajj specialist such as Kabo/Guarada/Saudi etc. I believe that only authorised airlines are allowed to fly these special flights and often are more obscure airlines so they lease in planes to cope with the huge surge in passengers.

Other than that I cannot think of who would be requiring a 744. The northern hemisphere charter market is over for another year and down in the southern hemisphere they really do not do charters. Given the current market its very hard to imagine this plane going to a well known airline (E.G: SQ have in the past leased 744's off MH to fly SIN-AKL), besides the market is currently flooded with spare 744's as SQ and QF are replacing theirs with 380's.
#725609 by Scrooge
18 Sep 2009, 12:14
I will leave it up to one of the Mods that is in far better condition to split a topic than me right now, interesting though.

I am with Willd on this one, the only thing I can think of is a Hajj charter as well, other than that there are plenty of 744's floating around looking for short term/ long term leases.

Also, a D check is not cheap, I have to wonder if this is more off a long term thing AND VS is letting another airline use the UCS as well.
#725613 by Bill S
18 Sep 2009, 12:27
If its Hajj charter, that guarantees a new cabin refit before she returns.
#725616 by willd
18 Sep 2009, 12:32
quote:
Originally posted by Bill S

If its Hajj charter, that guarantees a new cabin refit before she returns.


Yep or possibly ripping all VS seating out whilst she is on the D, leasing her out and then replacing. Of course we do not know how the lease will be for, if its going to be for a prolonged period then removal of all VS seating could be a viable option especially if the introduce the new Y seat that is being tested.

I believe though that UCS will be taken out if it is for Hajj, as they fly in an all Y set up.

EDIT: Just thought that maybe she could go to NZ with UCS kept in. However I dont think this is an option as they are retiring their 744's currently in readiness for the arrival of 77W's.
#725618 by Bill S
18 Sep 2009, 12:54
Hajj:
quote:20 ton over max gross weight takeoffs, barely clearing the lights after rotate, passengers using the seats for toilets, fighting in the cabin, overheads overspilling with zam zam water etc.
It may take more than just seats to bring back into service!
#725620 by willd
18 Sep 2009, 13:44
quote:Originally posted by virginboy747
Have just posted the question on our internl forum, so will see if the fleet department deign to give us an answer - will keep you posted!


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#725663 by tugpilot
19 Sep 2009, 01:37
Really sad to see so much beng parked up. Am I right to think G-VATL and VGOA are parked at Lourdes! and barely six years old!
#725664 by Tinkerbelle
19 Sep 2009, 02:50
quote:Originally posted by tugpilot
Really sad to see so much beng parked up. Am I right to think G-VATL and VGOA are parked at Lourdes! and barely six years old!


Yes they are both parked at LDE. If you look at this thread, there is a link showing VGOA parked up.
#725672 by Darren Wheeler
19 Sep 2009, 09:59
For a Hajj-jet it would be better stripped out, crammed with Y- seats and flown within an inch of its life.
#725680 by Capt.Pag
19 Sep 2009, 11:48
quote:Originally posted by Darren Wheeler
For a Hajj-jet it would be better stripped out, crammed with Y- seats and flown within an inch of its life.

Bit like the LGW fleet then?.. [:w]
#725702 by jpcox1
19 Sep 2009, 20:22
We regulary hear headlines here that the Hajj is being scaled back (fewer visa's etc) this year due to swine flu.

There is lots of growth in this region for new aircraft (i.e. FlyDubai, Eithad etc) but not for a 744.

An African airline maybe?
#726007 by mike-smashing
22 Sep 2009, 12:59
quote:Originally posted by willd
EDIT: Just thought that maybe she could go to NZ with UCS kept in. However I dont think this is an option as they are retiring their 744's currently in readiness for the arrival of 77W's.


ZK-NBS being stood down in January this year was a very specific case, as she was due a heavy check.

She had accumulated very high cycles (about 12000) as a result of ANZ leasing her to Cathay for the first 18 months of her life, and being dedicated to HKG-BKK-SIN shuttles, and used for base training - accumulating at least 4 or 5 cycles every day on average, which is relatively high for a long haul/wide body airframe (which normally log between 1 and 3 a day).

The other 744s of a similar vintage, NBT and NBU didn't get this 'treatment' and shouldn't fall due their next heavy mx until after the 773ERs arrive - and so will be stood down once replaced by 773s.

Given the downturn in the economy, ANZ decided they could manage without NBS for 2009, covering the hiatus by rejuggling the existing fleet until the 773ERs start arriving early next year - at which point we can expect the remaining 744s start to be stood down, probably in order of required heavy checks.

If ANZ did need 744 cover due to MX, etc., then leasing from VS could make sense due to the J seat, with one exception, which is that VAST would need to be re-fitted to something approximating old-style LHR config to match ANZ's cabin config.

Anyway, we're getting slightly off-topic...

A post said that VAST is being 'wet leased' (so with flight and cabin crew), so that somewhat indicates that it will be flying in some sort of VS config.

Mike
#726024 by slinky09
22 Sep 2009, 14:31
quote:Originally posted by mike-smashing
A post said that VAST is being 'wet leased' (so with flight and cabin crew), so that somewhat indicates that it will be flying in some sort of VS config.

Mike


The 'wet lease' quote got me too, if leased in this way it would indicate no internal reconfig or the cabin crew would need retraining as well ... wonder who in the world will be flying VS Y, PE and J in the coming months?
#726048 by willd
22 Sep 2009, 16:47
quote:Originally posted by slinky09
quote:Originally posted by mike-smashing
A post said that VAST is being 'wet leased' (so with flight and cabin crew), so that somewhat indicates that it will be flying in some sort of VS config.

Mike


The 'wet lease' quote got me too, if leased in this way it would indicate no internal reconfig or the cabin crew would need retraining as well ... wonder who in the world will be flying VS Y, PE and J in the coming months?


Not necessarily, I am sure VB747 or Tinks can clarify, but surely if the cabin is reconfigured into say an all Y cabin the crew should have no need for retraining?

To be fair I believe that 9W are currently wet leasing a couple of 77W's to TK and IIRC they are on wet leases but with only two 9W cabin crew onboard per flight, VS could operate on a similar operation.

The wet lease nature does raise an interesting issue though, that being, VAST will operate under the Virgin Atlantic AOC. Taking that into account, I cannot see this aircraft going off for Hajj duties.

Damp or moist or even dry would get round all of these issues.

Mike, thanks for that, I wasn't aware that at the moment it was only one 744 NZ had taken out of service. Your knowledge is outstanding [oo].
#726054 by Bill S
22 Sep 2009, 17:44
I wonder if they are fitting a conference room?
#726088 by Denzil
22 Sep 2009, 21:05
From what i can gather ZK-NBS was worth more in parts (engines, landing gear etc) than it was to sell...

quote:Not necessarily, I am sure VB747 or Tinks can clarify, but surely if the cabin is reconfigured into say an all Y cabin the crew should have no need for retraining?

It's emergency equipment that is important plus doors etc, differing seat configs should not require retraining..
#726470 by Denzil
27 Sep 2009, 22:06
My money is on G-VAST having a quick 'C' check at TAECO, Xiamen & wouldn't be shocked to see it come out minus it's VS livery.....
#726476 by slinky09
27 Sep 2009, 23:23
quote:Originally posted by Denzil
My money is on G-VAST having a quick 'C' check at TAECO, Xiamen & wouldn't be shocked to see it come out minus it's VS livery.....


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