quote:Originally posted by Bill S
There is also an argument for giving a single 'taster' of an upgrade to someone who normally (but quite frequently) only travels Y or PE.
How many here have flown once in UC and then become addicted?
Guilty as charged [:I]
quote:Originally posted by honey lamb
quote:Originally posted by Bill S
There is also an argument for giving a single 'taster' of an upgrade to someone who normally (but quite frequently) only travels Y or PE.
How many here have flown once in UC and then become addicted?
Guilty as charged [:I]
Raises Paw !
quote:Originally posted by Bill S
There is also an argument for giving a single 'taster' of an upgrade to someone who normally (but quite frequently) only travels Y or PE.
How many here have flown once in UC and then become addicted?
Guilty as charged [:I]
Raises Paw !
Huzzah for International Jet-setting !
quote:full fare Y is more than a discount PE ticket doesn't mean a thing to them, however taking 4-5 flights a year on a full fare Y ticket will still leave that person as a FC red, but they will have paid a lot more than someone flying 4-5 discount PE tickets. quote:
A very good point, and they must feel very short changed if they pay for the flights themselves; but I am making a big assumption that if you are purchasing 4-5 full fare y tickets a year then would it be odds on you are a business traveller and paid for by your company? Again another big assumption is that the pax who buy the discounted PE tickets are paying out of their own pocket. Big, big assumptions and generalisations but the percentages would be interesting to know.
A very good point, and they must feel very short changed if they pay for the flights themselves; but I am making a big assumption that if you are purchasing 4-5 full fare y tickets a year then would it be odds on you are a business traveller and paid for by your company? Again another big assumption is that the pax who buy the discounted PE tickets are paying out of their own pocket. Big, big assumptions and generalisations but the percentages would be interesting to know.
quote:Originally posted by ClaireAW
I think the answer to that is that they pay 1,800 a year and if you read the thread under the cards forum re titanium, it has been indicated the Amex have had to pay Virgin a pretty penny for the privilege ... I suppose the assumption must also be that they have a greater spending power, again good for Virgin if they change their loyalty ... I do understand your statement though, but if you are a red card holder, you will not be a sustained regular with Virgin.
No, I don't naturally agree with that either - Amex may pay VS a hundred bucks for this, but that's nothing compared to a few full fare Y or full fare W flights where VS is making heaps more.
quote:Originally posted by ClaireAW
A very good point, and they must feel very short changed if they pay for the flights themselves; but I am making a big assumption that if you are purchasing 4-5 full fare y tickets a year then would it be odds on you are a business traveller and paid for by your company? Again another big assumption is that the pax who buy the discounted PE tickets are paying out of their own pocket. Big, big assumptions and generalisations but the percentages would be interesting to know.
I agree, as a frequent full fare W traveller my company can pay nineteen hundred quid for travelling to New York. And it REALLY irritates me that I don't get some pretzels with my drink while my fare is likely more than most people in UC!
quote:Originally posted by Scrooge
Hence my idea of revenue + status.
It's an interesting idea, would certainly separate the freebies from the real travellers and the cheapies from the people who deliver the profit. In practice though, complex ...
My tuppennyworth is a repition - FC does needs to be restructured and improved for those who fly regularly and contribute to VS profits ... in this economy it may be impossible however.
I think the answer to that is that they pay 1,800 a year and if you read the thread under the cards forum re titanium, it has been indicated the Amex have had to pay Virgin a pretty penny for the privilege ... I suppose the assumption must also be that they have a greater spending power, again good for Virgin if they change their loyalty ... I do understand your statement though, but if you are a red card holder, you will not be a sustained regular with Virgin.
No, I don't naturally agree with that either - Amex may pay VS a hundred bucks for this, but that's nothing compared to a few full fare Y or full fare W flights where VS is making heaps more.
quote:Originally posted by ClaireAW
A very good point, and they must feel very short changed if they pay for the flights themselves; but I am making a big assumption that if you are purchasing 4-5 full fare y tickets a year then would it be odds on you are a business traveller and paid for by your company? Again another big assumption is that the pax who buy the discounted PE tickets are paying out of their own pocket. Big, big assumptions and generalisations but the percentages would be interesting to know.
I agree, as a frequent full fare W traveller my company can pay nineteen hundred quid for travelling to New York. And it REALLY irritates me that I don't get some pretzels with my drink while my fare is likely more than most people in UC!
quote:Originally posted by Scrooge
Hence my idea of revenue + status.
It's an interesting idea, would certainly separate the freebies from the real travellers and the cheapies from the people who deliver the profit. In practice though, complex ...
My tuppennyworth is a repition - FC does needs to be restructured and improved for those who fly regularly and contribute to VS profits ... in this economy it may be impossible however.
There's a plane at JFK, to fly you back from far away
all those dark and frantic transatlantic miles
all those dark and frantic transatlantic miles
I have been a GC member for a long, long time and on my last flight I was in PE as I was told there were not seats to upgrade to UC, I asked 4 times during check in an while I was in the lounge.
However once sat down the 4 people next to me ( 2 separate couples) were upgraded to UC.
I give up!
However once sat down the 4 people next to me ( 2 separate couples) were upgraded to UC.
I give up!
quote:Originally posted by mitchja
UA must also look at *A status as I've been op-up'd on at check-in by UA when I flew SIN>HKG which had my BD Au card on the booking.
I believe you are correct. You would not outrank any UA status-possessing flier, but there aren't going to be too many of those on SIN>HKG.
Don't remember if this thread has ever been posted, but a very thorough account of how op-ups are sorted for United. One for the airport operations fanatics.
UA must also look at *A status as I've been op-up'd on at check-in by UA when I flew SIN>HKG which had my BD Au card on the booking.
I believe you are correct. You would not outrank any UA status-possessing flier, but there aren't going to be too many of those on SIN>HKG.
Don't remember if this thread has ever been posted, but a very thorough account of how op-ups are sorted for United. One for the airport operations fanatics.
This has been answered obviously, but as further evidence, I was on VS9 to JFK last night, and all the way down to Heathrow, I had my fingers crossed. When I went to check in online, I wasn't able to select my seat in PE, it said there were no seats available to choose. The last time that happened I got bumped to UC at the check in desk.
Yesterday, I got to Heathrow with a few hours to spare (normally I'm rushing and get quite close the the 1hr cut off!), went to the check in desk to get my boarding card, and was told that PE was oversold, and if everybody turned up, to keep my fingers crossed at the gate as there was a good chance I would get moved into UC as I was a GC holder.
I cursed myself for only ambling along to the gate, as the light flashed red for the 2 GC holders infront of me, and they were moved from PE to UC, (wasn't sure if at that point it was a first come first upgraded thing) but uncrossed my fingers when the light flashed red for me too, AND the guy behind! So that was four of us in a row that all got moved up a cabin.
Basically, I think your best chances of being upgraded are if you are a GC holder in an oversold economy or pe cabin.
Yesterday, I got to Heathrow with a few hours to spare (normally I'm rushing and get quite close the the 1hr cut off!), went to the check in desk to get my boarding card, and was told that PE was oversold, and if everybody turned up, to keep my fingers crossed at the gate as there was a good chance I would get moved into UC as I was a GC holder.
I cursed myself for only ambling along to the gate, as the light flashed red for the 2 GC holders infront of me, and they were moved from PE to UC, (wasn't sure if at that point it was a first come first upgraded thing) but uncrossed my fingers when the light flashed red for me too, AND the guy behind! So that was four of us in a row that all got moved up a cabin.
Basically, I think your best chances of being upgraded are if you are a GC holder in an oversold economy or pe cabin.
Best chances are always when you have an oversold cabin, I'm sure you are right. I believe it doesn't matter when you turn up at the gate, it's going to get sorted behind the scenes and you either get beeped or you don't (well, that's tautologically true, I suppose). Congrats on your good fortune!
it's definately not a first come first serve at the gate sort of thing, we know a good couple of days in advance if a cabin's oversold and if people will need upgrading. On the day you'll get checked into your normal class but obviously seats will run out, unless they're suitable themselves, they'll look who's already checked in, prioritise and then grade change said passengers, sending seat changes down to the gate.
unless you star in something such as emmerdale and get bumped up at the gate on a half full flight!
unless you star in something such as emmerdale and get bumped up at the gate on a half full flight!
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