BA Strike

quote:Originally posted by Dreamflight
Actually that will be picked up by the pension funds, that are insured for this by themselves. If BA goes into administration, the Pensions Protection Fund (a national body financed by small annual fees charged to all UK pension funds) will take over the pension fund, including all its assets and liabilities, and will top it up to ensure that the pensions will be paid in future.


Apols for driving this to the baseline, that still means the rest of us ...

BA has adopted such an intransigent stance that I fear, as Darren says, this is brick wall and speeding vehicle ... I hope WW realises that negotiating means just that, and soon.

I am appalled by some of the comments on this I have seen on the BBC have your say etc.

Some positivly 18th century along the lines of a good flogging and a tar and feathering with only a half day off for christmas at the very least.

But I sense very little sympathy for the BA management either. with some criticism of BA taking a long term pension fund contribution holiday causing part of the pensions problem.

Also one comment on the lines of give everyone a snack pack on boarding, show them a video and fly without any CC at all !

Just goes to show how much the public thinks the CC has to do !

[RichardMannion]

It's like the VS strike nonsense all over again, and that turned into a 30+ page monster thread. I don't really see a win out of this for anyone, it may not be apparant straight off but the cost has to come somewhere down the line.

According to ITN a union email has gone out to CCs ending with the words 'its better to die fighting than live on your knees' how thoroughly pathetic is that, it also told staff not to be concerned about passengers ruined Christmasses as by next Christmas it will be forgotten, oh dear.

A muppet manager against a prehistoric publicity seeking union. the
collateral damage = BA staff.

[buns]

quote:Originally posted by easygoingeezer
According to ITN a union email has gone out to CCs ending with the words 'its better to die fighting than live on your knees' how thoroughly pathetic is that, it also told staff not to be concerned about passengers ruined Christmasses as by next Christmas it will be forgotten, oh dear.





I too saw that News Report and there was some stern questions to the Head of the Union about 'Did people know that they were voting for a 12 day Strike?', to which there was a feable response and indicates that it is the Local Organisers that have come up with the 12 day strike plan[:(!]

Both sides are so entrenched, that this must be the end of BA as we know it

buns

[Scrooge]

I wonder if GOA is being readied for action again, a quick add to capacity I would think.

We've got two groups of 50 Japanese tourists heading out on 23rd & 24th Dec to Turkey and Egypt. I am trying to get my manager to let me look into chartering a litle something to take them there and back but I don't think he's going to bite.
We're just going to have to refund them fully, lose all our profit and get hit by cancellation fees from hotels so this completely knocks our year out.

[Scrooge]

Train to Paris and fly from there ?

[Darren Wheeler]

I popped over to Cabincrew.com to see what the forum was like. Site is down with db errors. Given up under the weight of post?

EDIT

It's now back, and WOW!!
http://www.cabincrew.com/ccnetwork/foru ... ?TID=36296

Strike has now been ruled illegal by the High Court.

Link to news

So that means everyone can breathe a big sigh of relief...

Never thought I would be feeling sorry for BA but I was this week, glad the strike is off for the time being.

Bit ironic all the fight for your rights guff from the union not let management change your T&Cs and then hold a dodgy ballot, slight contradiction in terms me thinks.

[Darren Wheeler]

For now, unless Unite are really stupid.

The strike may be off for the moment but I can see an outbreak of flu and other contagious diseases amongst BA staff next week ...

[Nottingham Nick]

Whilst I firmly believe that the strike was / is stupid and suicidal, I do think it is a very sad day for Trade Unionism in Great Britain.

Unite held a ballot, which gave them a 90% mandate to call strike action. The employers then go to court and have it declared illegal. [?] I am not for a return to the wildcat days of the seventies, but what happened to workers rights? All this is being done under a supposedly socialist government.

Nick

[Darren Wheeler]

Judge going away for Christmas [:w]

quote:Originally posted by Darren Wheeler
Judge going away for Christmas [:w]


Cup of tea was nearly dropped reading that comment! [oo]

quote:Originally posted by Nottingham Nick
Whilst I firmly believe that the strike was / is stupid and suicidal, I do think it is a very sad day for Trade Unionism in Great Britain.

Unite held a ballot, which gave them a 90% mandate to call strike action. The employers then go to court and have it declared illegal. [?] I am not for a return to the wildcat days of the seventies, but what happened to workers rights?


I'm not sure that the judge's reported comment about the timing of the strike is appropriate given the issue being adjudged was supposedly a point of law.

quote:Originally posted by Nottingham Nick
Whilst I firmly believe that the strike was / is stupid and suicidal, I do think it is a very sad day for Trade Unionism in Great Britain.

Unite held a ballot, which gave them a 90% mandate to call strike action. The employers then go to court and have it declared illegal. [?] I am not for a return to the wildcat days of the seventies, but what happened to workers rights? All this is being done under a supposedly socialist government.

Nick


They appeared to have held a ballot without telling the voters what the result would be ( length of strike and timing )or overall risks
( total decimation of the company ) if a yes had majority and balloted people who were not entitled to vote, some would say that actually is indicative of this socialist government[}:)]

quote:Originally posted by tontybear
The strike may be off for the moment but I can see an outbreak of flu and other contagious diseases amongst BA staff next week ...

If they do they will be sacked, it has been made clear a sickie wouldn't be tollerated this time around.

quote:Originally posted by pjh

I'm not sure that the judge's reported comment about the timing of the strike is appropriate given the issue being adjudged was supposedly a point of law.


This is what the BBC quotes the judge (Mrs Justice Cox) as saying

'A strike of this kind over the 12 days of Christmas is fundamentally more damaging to BA and the wider public than a strike taking place at almost any other time of the year,'

Surely it is the role of the Judge to rule ONLY on the law and not to make comments on other issues not laid before her?

It is comments like this that gets their worships in trouble with the Court of Appeal rather than their decision on the law.

[Scrooge]

Hang on, it was deemed illegal due to people who are already in the process of leaving the company were part of the ballot, something which is a big no no.

Now while that number is small and would not have affected the outcome in the slightest this mistake by the union does give everyone a chance to sit back and rethink things.

[Darren Wheeler]

quote:Originally posted by jaguarpig
quote:Originally posted by tontybear
The strike may be off for the moment but I can see an outbreak of flu and other contagious diseases amongst BA staff next week ...

If they do they will be sacked, it has been made clear a sickie wouldn't be tollerated this time around.


Which in itself may constitute unfair dismissal. If signed off by your Doctor it would be a very brave (or foolish) employer who sacked someone in those circumstances. Tribunals take a hard line in those cases and will not hesitate to award large payouts.

quote:Originally posted by Scrooge
Now while that number is small and would not have affected the outcome in the slightest this mistake by the union does give everyone a chance to sit back and rethink things.

Which is what they need to allow the talks to carry on. Now that Unite have tipped their hand on the length of the strike, how many will be as keen to vote yes again?

quote:Originally posted by Darren Wheeler
quote:Originally posted by jaguarpig
quote:Originally posted by tontybear
The strike may be off for the moment but I can see an outbreak of flu and other contagious diseases amongst BA staff next week ...

If they do they will be sacked, it has been made clear a sickie wouldn't be tollerated this time around.


Which in itself may constitute unfair dismissal. If signed off by your Doctor it would be a very brave (or foolish) employer who sacked someone in those circumstances. Tribunals take a hard line in those cases and will not hesitate to award large payouts.


Any sickness during time of industrial action has to be covered by a doctors note which can be according to your own doctor very easy to get.

On/Off

I have changed to LH and will not change back, and if they even dare to suggest a new strike date of 15th Jan there will be severe consequencies for the local BA staff here[:?]

Iain