Would this be allowed?

An adult published fare is charged for the Unaccompanied Minor service

http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/gb/pa ... ctions.jsp

quote:Originally posted by Galley Guy
[quote][i]Just do not try and bring the children up to Upper Class. This is also very common and a major headache for the crew!




and a headache to other passengers in Upper Class too [y]

Strewth, out of 2 pages of replies, most are opinions to the suitability of my parenting and for some reason, others have decided to chat about the age at which a child pays child or adult fare -how random!

Thanks again to the straight answer from the cabin crew and the cpl of posts of support who dont think I should be reported to social services for asking if it was possible to sit on a different side of a curtain to our kids.

And before it comes up - no aplogy for not joining the elitist part of this club and paying to use an internet forum...........

quote:Originally posted by flabound
a guy who used to fly UC and dump his GF (spouse) in econ (he worked for VS).

I KNOW of some V-Flyers that do this [:w]

I must say that I always enjoyed the time spent in economy with the children . It gave us all a chance to chat excitedly about the holiday. In the days before audiobooks I would make up stories for them and put them onto tape for when I wanted them to calm down or sleep and they always stuck their momentos into their 'holiday book' to show the grandparents where they had been on the way back. They are adults now but the journey was very much part of the holiday and I wouldn't have missed it for the world. I would also say that for all other occasions turning left is a must!

quote:Originally posted by hackneyguy
quote:Originally posted by flabound
a guy who used to fly UC and dump his GF (spouse) in econ (he worked for VS).

I KNOW of some V-Flyers that do this [:w]


In view of this thread I have taken the precaution of registering him as an UGOM (Unaccompanied Grumpy Old Man) and can assure the CC he is very well behaved and toilet trained - apologies for the snoring though!!![:D]

I have to agree with Inkiboo here.

I have never understood why parents would treat their kids differently to themselves (no, I am not one of these woolley jumper types that think kids are mini adults etc and don't need discipline). If you can't afford to all go U/C then find a cabin which you are all comfortable in.

I assume that if you have a nice fillet steak you don't give the kids Pedigree Chum as 'Fillet Steak is wasted on them'. Before people get hot under the collar - I know that is an exageration, but it illustrates the point.

Maybe I was brought up differently - but it was always 'if you can't all do it, then none of you do it'.

As for being separated by a curtain - how many times on here have you read that pre-assigned seats have been changed (it happens in U/C as well).

I would be over the moon to be sitting in Y with 3 kids with no adult supervision! I am not completely au fait with the UM stuff, but on many flights I have seen kids misbehaving when the parents are there and the crew has done bugger all about it. What a 13 year old deems acceptable may not be what the passenger in the next seat sees as ok.

Not sure what the law is, but I 'think' 13 is too young to babysit at home - why think that is acceptable 35,000 feet in the air?

In an emergency, would you rush back to Y to help out, because I am damn sure a 13 year old would not be able to cope. Then again, would you be allowed to as that would create more havoc.

quote:Originally posted by kingcole1974
Strewth, out of 2 pages of replies, most are opinions to the suitability of my parenting and for some reason, others have decided to chat about the age at which a child pays child or adult fare -how random!

Could you do everyone here a favour? Could you post your travel dates to Dubai please. That will give people here the option of either upgrading or downgrading to PE as that would be the only cabin we could avoid the trio of you, your wife and your children.

Ta very much.

quote:Originally posted by Jacki
quote:Originally posted by hackneyguy
quote:Originally posted by flabound
a guy who used to fly UC and dump his GF (spouse) in econ (he worked for VS).

I KNOW of some V-Flyers that do this [:w]


In view of this thread I have taken the precaution of registering him as an UGOM (Unaccompanied Grumpy Old Man) and can assure the CC he is very well behaved and toilet trained - apologies for the snoring though!!![:D]



[y] I love it Jacki ! [^][:X]

[HighFlyer]

Ladies and Gentleman, can we please keep this thread courteous? Personal attacks are not welcome at V-Flyer.

quote:I have never understood why parents would treat their kids differently to themselves (no, I am not one of these woolley jumper types that think kids are mini adults etc and don't need discipline). If you can't afford to all go U/C then find a cabin which you are all comfortable in

I do not have (and do not want) children but if I did I would quite happily leave my offspring in Y once they reached a suitable age while I flew up the front. Children rarely understand or appreciate the benefits of flying up the front and I also think its an opportunity to instill a little grounding. Daddy and I fly up the front because we work damn hard and life doesnt come on a plate for us all. I see no harm in it if the children are old enough (and that is a matter for the parent to decide, along with VS).

Thanks,
Sarah

[Darren Wheeler]

quote:Originally posted by inkiboo
quote:Originally posted by kingcole1974
Strewth, out of 2 pages of replies, most are opinions to the suitability of my parenting and for some reason, others have decided to chat about the age at which a child pays child or adult fare -how random!

Could you do everyone here a favour? Could you post your travel dates to Dubai please. That will give people here the option of either upgrading or downgrading to PE as that would be the only cabin we could avoid the trio of you, your wife and your children.

Ta very much.


That was uncalled for.

As Nick pointed out in in post 19, the OP asked if he would be allowed to, not that his was going to.

This all getting personal agains the OP.

quote: Daddy and I fly up the front because we work damn hard and life doesnt come on a plate for us all.

Thanks,
Sarah


You make an interesting point Sarah.

Now, how do I tell Mrs S the next time she travels on VS with me that I am 'at the front because I work damn hard, but she is in Y as she doesn't work'?

I think after the divorce settlement I may not be flying at the front anymore.

quote:
That was uncalled for.



But it was funny though !

quote:Originally posted by HighFlyer
[ Children rarely understand or appreciate the benefits of flying up the front and I also think its an opportunity to instill a little grounding. Daddy and I fly up the front because we work damn hard and life doesnt come on a plate for us all.
Thanks,
Sarah


On the other hand and counter arguement Sarah is when I fly with my Sister and her family, who all fly up front be it First or Business class, I can assure you that my nephew and niece DO appreciate and understand what is about. They have loved lying in their bed watching the films, eating proper food with proper silverware, eating with the rest of the family and knowing if they work as hard as their parents they too can do this for their families and if not the alternitive is sitting down the back.

I think it is a finely balanced argument but there is no way I would want any of my family sitting away from me unless it can't be avoided. Once they are adults then they can make the decison for themselves where they sit and judge the benefits of that decision for themselves but, IMHO, 13 and under are too young for that process to be understood. (But last year I did walk my 11yo Nephew down the back to show him, and he was wearing one of Dean's badges (you can guess for yourselves which one[:w]) - it was an eye opening experience for him believe me)

[Neil]

quote:Originally posted by spiceke
quote:
That was uncalled for.



But it was funny though !


I didn't find it the slighest bit funny. This board is
not the place for personal insults and we should respect each others thoughts and opinions without the need for stupid and hurtful name callng or comments.

quote:Originally posted by Neil
quote:Originally posted by spiceke
quote:
That was uncalled for.



But it was funny though !


I didn't find it the slighest bit funny. This board is
not the place for personal insults and we should respect each others thoughts and opinions without the need for stupid and hurtful name callng or comments.


Oh please.

We have a poster who has asked a question, got a response he didn't like and then resorted to swearing at a member of this board.

My post was entirely serious; if I knew I was going to be on the same flight as the OP and his family, given the attitude he has shown here, I would prefer not to be on that flight.

quote:Originally posted by Neil
quote:Originally posted by spiceke
quote:
That was uncalled for.



But it was funny though !


I didn't find it the slighest bit funny. This board is
not the place for personal insults and we should respect each others thoughts and opinions without the need for stupid and hurtful name callng or comments.

I didn't find it even vaguely amusing either.This has gotten very OT and rather unpleasant. The OP merely asked a legitimate question.
What he ultimately decides to do is his decision.No need for the nastiness [V].
DL

quote:Originally posted by DragonLady
I didn't find it even vaguely amusing either.This has gotten very OT and rather unpleasant. The OP merely asked a legitimate question.
What he ultimately decides to do is his decision.No need for the nastiness [V].
DL


Where is your post criticising the OP for swearing and saying he would punch someone if they made a comment to his face?

The only unpleasant person in this thread is the OP and that is the exact reason why I would not want to be on the same flight as him and his family.

[Darren Wheeler]

While not excusing the edited post, it is equally not acceptable to question any members parenting ability. End of story.

quote:Originally posted by Darren Wheeler
While not excusing the edited post, it is equally not acceptable to question any members parenting ability. End of story.


Well if that's end of story then I'm glad I know for next time. For future reference could you let me know what other member's abilities we can not question?

I would imagine that there is a link between parenting abilities and not being able to control one's mouth/threatening to punch someone.

quote:Originally posted by Neil
quote:Originally posted by spiceke
quote:
That was uncalled for.



But it was funny though !


I didn't find it the slighest bit funny. This board is
not the place for personal insults and we should respect each others thoughts and opinions without the need for stupid and hurtful name callng or comments.


Our humour is obviously different - I read it as a humourous reposte.

We will agree to differ on this.

I really don't see it as a problem, it does happen quite often. As long as the kids are okay with it I don't see the need for arguments. All families are different, and I don't think peoples personal opinions should really matter to the op.
Personally my parents never left me on a flight mainly due to me being an only child and that we never really went anywhere too far. However it would have made me feel very grown up to be left in charge and fly 'alone' even if mum and dad are only a few feet away.

quote:Originally posted by kingcole1974
Strewth, out of 2 pages of replies, most are opinions to the suitability of my parenting and for some reason, others have decided to chat about the age at which a child pays child or adult fare -how random!

Thanks again to the straight answer from the cabin crew and the cpl of posts of support who dont think I should be reported to social services for asking if it was possible to sit on a different side of a curtain to our kids.

And before it comes up - no aplogy for not joining the elitist part of this club and paying to use an internet forum...........



To be fair you are aggrieved because you interpret someones answer to you question as insulting, and yet you now introduce a different subject and insult members generally, I am not elitist and pay to join this site because I want it to remain on line, my monetary contribution and everyone elses membership fee goes towards this.

I would not personally do what you are asking and whilst having no right to directly insult you because I would see things differently I would have a right to offer an explanation why my view would be different to your own AND answering your question directly.

Whilst you would resent being called a bad parent, selfish etc I resent being labelled elitist. Some of us strive for whats best by hard work.

My 7 year old loved UCS and appreciated everything greatly in responce to the person who thinks kids don't appreciate it, the CC spoiled him rotten.

I'm starting a sweepstake on when this thread is locked. Five more posts anyone?

Of course, there's always the heated hold [B)].

I think the OP now has a number of replies to consider, and like others I see nothing wrong in UMs travelling, whether their parents are in the front or not. I too went on long trips as a UM when a child, to LAX, South Africa and Chile back then. Since this is a perfectly regular and normal thing to do, I don't see why people should get so agitated and start questioning parental skills.

Some children will love being in the front, most won't mind. So let's not argue about that.

The question in my mind remains whether it is appropriate for the 4 year old to be with its siblings and I think not. Resolve that one, and kingcole probably has the answer that will not create a further spat!

[fozzyo]

So summarise the thread, teenagers alone as UM in Y while your in J no worries - they would probably even enjoy the responsibility of being alone. The issue is more them having responsibility for their 4yo sibling. This is something only you can decide on what is best for you, and for the others around.

Mat