JFK / EWR / IAD / BOS Disruption 10 Feb

VS3, London (LHR) to New York (JFK), 09:20-12:20 CANCELLED
VS45, London (LHR) to New York (JFK), 12:00-15:05 DELAYED UNTIL 1900HRS
VS1, London (LHR) to New York (EWR), 16:00-19:15 CANCELLED
VS9, London (LHR) to New York (JFK), 16:50-20:00 DELAYED UNTIL 2025HRS

All due to weather disruption... not great at all! Luckily im on the VS45 so hoping for that time not to change! [V]

Yup indeed, and I am on the VS1 or was. VS have put me on the VS17 instead which is highly undesirable but the best that could result in the circumstances. I hope they change it from a cruddy 343.

Mind you, the text message I received made no sense, and the Web site doesn't mention the VS1 being cancelled. So all in, typically squared up VS communication.

Update, after holding for 30 mins for the premier team, after receiving a message from VS saying:

'We regret to advise that due to severe weather in the US VS0000 30DEC has been cancelled. You have been rebooked onto VS17 departing Heathrow 2010 arriving Newark 2325'

Which according to the premier team is codswallop. There is no such rebooking.

Now I am irritated [V].

So does that mean you are not yet rebooked onto another flight as of yet?

How accurate are these estimates? Obviously with the weather its very unpredictable so I'm guessing that there isn't going to be a great chance of getting out @ 1900hrs... contemplating whether its worth it for a 4 day trip.

quote:Originally posted by MrSquare
So does that mean you are not yet rebooked onto another flight as of yet?

How accurate are these estimates? Obviously with the weather its very unpredictable so I'm guessing that there isn't going to be a great chance of getting out @ 1900hrs... contemplating whether its worth it for a 4 day trip.


You're lucky, my two day trip is now 1 1/2 days - I'd cancel if I didn't have an important customer meeting on Friday morning. But VS can't tell me any details because the prem. team can't access bookings now they are in the hands of the airport team. VS is incredibly infuriating in these circumstances - why someone can't just 'view' and not even 'edit' or 'delete' information is ridiculous. Rant over.

So no. As yet I am not sure what VS's plan is, nor if they will stick to it. If I were you I'd ask to be rebooked at a later date - that is unless you will lose money cancelling hotels or whatever.

Interestingly, BA have cancelled 8 out of 10 flights, VS currently 2 out of 6. Who is being optimistic and who is being pessimistic?

This on the VS website (red highlight is mine)

The following flights have been cancelled :
Departing from the UK

Flight No Departure Date From To
VS3 10 February 2010 London Heathrow New York JFK
VS21 10 February 2010 London Heathrow Washington
VS1* 10 February 2010 London Heathrow New York Newark


*All passengers will be rebooked to VS17 departing from London Heathrowat 20:10H on 10 February and scheduled to arrive at New York Newark at 23:25 on 10 February 2010.

Departing from the US

Flight No Departure Date From To
VS4 10 February 2010 New York JFK London Heathrow
VS22 10 February 2010 Washington London Heathrow
VS2** 10 February 2010 New York Newark London Heathrow
**All passengers will be rebooked to VS18 departing from New York, Newark at 08:00H on 11 February and scheduled to arrive at London Heathrow at 20:00H on 11 February 2010.

I see from CFMU system that VS havent filed anything for NYC this evening. Are they cancelleing vs17 too?

quote:Originally posted by dpscrest
I see from CFMU system that VS havent filed anything for NYC this evening. Are they cancelleing vs17 too?


Please don't say that - I'm leaving for the airport now!

Just checked again no plans filed as yet for any VS - NY flights. Rather strange

vs017 confirmed

vs017 cancelled

quote:Originally posted by dpscrest
vs017 confirmed

quote:Originally posted by dpscrest
vs017 cancelled

What a difference 40 seconds can make!

thats what i tell the mrs!

latest from the VS website. I do get hacked off when companues dont date / time messages so you can see how up to date they are !

Hope this helps

The following flights have been cancelled

Departing from the UK

Flight No Departure Date From To
VS3 10 February 2010 London Heathrow New York JFK
VS21 10 February 2010 London Heathrow Washington
VS1 10 February 2010 London Heathrow New York Newark
VS11 10 February 2010 London Heathrow Boston
VS45 10 February 2010 London Heathrow New York JFK
VS9 10 February 2010 London Heathrow New York JFK
VS17 10 February 2010 London Heathrow New York Newark
Departing from the US

Flight No Departure Date From To
VS4 10 February 2010 New York JFK London Heathrow
VS22 10 February 2010 Washington London Heathrow
VS2 10 February 2010 New York Newark London Heathrow
VS12 10 February 2010 Boston London Heathrow
VS46 10 February 2010 New York JFK London Heathrow
VS10 10 February 2010 New York JFK London Heathrow
VS18 11 February 2010 New York Newark London Heathrow
Some of our other flights to the east coast of the United States over the next couple of days will be delayed as a result of these cancellations and the continuing weather conditions. Please check Flight Status for the latest information on your flight schedule before you travel to the airport.

quote:Originally posted by dpscrest
vs017 confirmed


Ha ha very funny. So, CDC picks me up, we leave for the airport, ring VS, VS17 still on. Arrive, VS17 off. That little round about at the top of the ramp is very good for turning around and heading home again [:D].

Flights tomorrow rammed. No business in the US this week [:#].

The #1 is very miffed [:p].

[Scrooge]

I just came across THIS

The roof on a hangar collapsed at IAD, crushing a couple of hundred million dollars worth of BIZ jet tails.

OUCH ! someone is going to get hit with a very large bill !

By the way, how does, say 1m depth by 100 sq m of snow weigh?

[mitchja]

Snow is about 30% water on average, but this does vary depending on the conditions. The more compact the snow is, the more water it will contain.

1 cubic meter of water weighs 1000Kg at 4'C, therefore, 30% of 1000 = 300Kg.

so 1 cubic meter of snow weights approx. 300 Kg

I *think* my maths is right!!!

Regards

The hanger is 164' x 252'

That's 3840 sq metres!!! Internal!

at 300kg/m - Over 1,150 tonnes !!

this from wiki anserws

Ken Hellevang from the University of North Dakota says, 'The weight of snow varies greatly. Light fluffy snow may only weigh about seven pounds per cubic foot. More average snow may weigh 15 pounds per cubic foot and drifted compacted snow may weigh 20 pounds or more...'

Based on that I calculate it to be

There are about 35 cubic feet in a cubic metre

so 35 * 15 lb = 525 lb / cubic metre

so 100 cubic metres = 525 * 100 = 52,500 lbs

2.2 lb in a kilo = 52,500/2.2 = 23,863 kg

so 100 cubic metres of snow = approx 23,963 kg

Like James I think this right !

But thats an average for a whole area. if it drifted onto a smaller area then there would obviously be more weight concentrated on a smaller area.

update from Bill!

3840 sq meters (assuming an even 1 metre depth = 3840 cubic metres

3840 * 525 lbs of snow/cubic metre = 2,016,000 lbs of snow

2,016,000 / 2.2 = 916,364 KG

there are 1,016 kg in an imperial ton so 916,364 KG = 902 tons

quote:Originally posted by tontybear
this from wiki anserws

Ken Hellevang from the University of North Dakota says, 'The weight of snow varies greatly. Light fluffy snow may only weigh about seven pounds per cubic foot. More average snow may weigh 15 pounds per cubic foot and drifted compacted snow may weigh 20 pounds or more...'

Based on that I calculate it to be

There are about 35 cubic feet in a cubic metre

so 35 * 15 lb = 525 lb / cubic metre

so 100 cubic metres = 525 * 100 = 52,500 lbs

2.2 lb in a kilo = 52,500/2.2 = 23,863 kg

so 100 cubic metres of snow = approx 23,963 kg

Like James I think this right !

But thats an average for a whole area. if it drifted onto a smaller area then there would obviously be more weight concentrated on a smaller area.


OK - by those snow weight figures - 910 tonnes!

Either way it's around 1000 tonnes!

Looking at the other photographs, the top of the hangers seem to be covered as much by ice as snow!

edit:
or even ~ 1000 tons [|:)]

It now looks as though the adjacent hanger roof has gone as well even though they have cleared most of the snow off.


The layout is shown here.
The hanger designators 'A' and 'B' can just be seen on the above photo.

The original photo only shows hanger A collapsed. Photo Courtesy of FlightAware.com