#763135 by rich1664
03 Jan 2011, 13:07
Did the usual Addison Lee to Paddington, and it being Sunday 2nd Jan the journey was quick. HEX to LHR and it was a small train so was very busy. I keep forgetting I have a number of free first class upgrades for the HEX....

Arrived at T3 to check in for my flight to Boston in plenty of time, to make sure I got a good use of the clubhouse.

UC check in was busy and a member of staff came over to ask where I was flying too. When I told her Boston, she replied with an 'Ahh....'

So to cut a long story short, the flight to Boston went tech this morning. They had a new departure time of 5pm, but she couldn't guarantee it would go so she offered me the chance to switch to the BA flight at 4pm. Her words were "If you need to get to Boston today, then I would take the BA flight if I were you."

As I was traveling for work and start at 8.30am on Monday morning, I decided I would switch to the dark side and take the BA flight.

First off, there was some time spent with the Virgin ticket desk whilst they re-booked me onto the BA flight. I enquired if I would still get my miles, and was told that I'd need to ring the FC to claim them and they would honour them. I forgot to ask about tier points - will report back when I've made that call!

Once I was issued with my new ticket, it was back to the HEX to transfer to T5. A bit of a wait for a train, but I was soon there and up in the lift to the departures hall. There was no obvious signage for Club World check in so I asked a nearby member of staff - she pointed me to zone H. I'd come up from the HEX into zone A, so it was a walk the entire length of the check in zones - that place is huge! Once at zone H I was seen straight away, explained the situation and I was soon checked in. I had to go through the APIS again (as that was all on my Virgin booking). The check in agent was fine. Not particularly friendly or rude, just fine.

Off to a deserted fast track security, and once through began the tortuous route to the lounge, down an escalator, make a choice North or South lounge (I went for South), walk half the length of the building again, then back up two escalators.

There are what appears to be a number of lounges here - a Concorde lounge for invited people only, a 1st class lounge then the Galleries lounge. At the entrance to the Galleries lounge were 4 BA staff to check me in. I was the only person in the lobby, and not one of them looked up, or said hello. So I went over to one person, who without saying a word scanned my boarding card and waved me through. As I passed her I turned to look at the computer monitors they were all staring at, and all of them were looking at various internet pages! Certainly nothing like the welcome you always get at the clubhouse!

I had a good wander about the lounge, and I do quite like the layout. It is big, but is broken down into smaller areas well, with lots of comfy sofas or chairs. I got there as the lunch buffet was being put out, and there was a good selection of hot food (pasta, rice, aribiata sauce, 2 curries, hot tuna rolls) and a good salad bar. Dotted around are help yourself drinks bars and coffee machines. I got settled and logged on to the wifi - which was was fast and always on. I tried some of the beef madras (fine) washed down with a few beers - as I didn't notice a bar where cocktails could be made.... boo!

There are no boarding calls in the lounge (I guess as there are so many flights the announcements would be non stop) so keeping an eye on the screens, I took off once I could see the gate for my flight was open.

It was a boarding a bus and then being taken out to the plane - which I always find surprising at T5 - so much for this great new terminal!

On board I was in seat 10K - which is the first seat of the CW section on the right hand side by the window - and facing backwards. The seat was clean, and in it's normal position quite comfortable with good arm rests. I liked the little drawer to stow laptop and book, but missed anywhere obvious to put a bottle of water. I knew that there would be no sleep suit on this flight, but was surprised that there were no little socks to put on - I asked a passing CC, who replied with a curt "we hand those out later in the amenity pack". That was me told then.....

Someone then took their seat in the 'partner' with mine - and as I put in the other thread, they are sitting facing you, and are really in your eyeline. For the time being I left the screen where it was (more on that later!)

I was asked if I'd like a champagne/bucks fizz/water, so opted for the bucks fizz. At this point we were allowed to have our amenity pack, so I could get my shoes off, socks on, and finally get settled.

We pushed back roughly on time and took to the skies about 20 minutes late. Once in the air and the seatbelt sign off, the drinks trolley came round. The CC served me the beer I asked for and then the dividing screen suddenly shot up - I didn't see the CC do it, it was that quick. So there we were then. Screen up it was to be! Being by the window did make it feel very secluded - I'm not claustrophobic but if you were, I could imagine that it might make you feel a little uncomfortable.

The IFE was turned on (it wasn't VOD) and after the BBC news programme I chose my film on channel 4. (Can't remember what it was called - but I chose it as it was a bank hiest type film set in Boston). Anyway it started and I was half watching it and noticed that none of the actors I was watching were credited in the magazine... I saw the same CC go past me (well just the top of his head over the screen) and told him that the film didn't match what was listed. He replied that he thought that had happened, as the media crew hadn't shown up to switch the tapes over to the new January films but the people who changed the magazine had.... He then disappeared to make this announcement to the whole plane, so the first cycle of films had started but no-one knew what there was! So I got my book out.

I'd also noticed that another member of the CC was taking dinner orders. She'd started in the other aisle, and was now making her way up our aisle, so I was the last she got too. There was a choice of two starters (a beetroot salad or a peppers and cheese thing) , three mains (beef, fish cakes, vegetarian chilli), chocolate tort and cheese and biscuits. I went for the Peppers starter.... oh no I didn't - the conversation went like this:

Me: Can I have the peppers starter please?
CC: No, we've run out. Do you want the beetroot?
Me: No thanks, I really can't eat beetroot. It makes me ill very quickly. Is there anything else?
CC: No. We were only loaded with 5 pepper starters and there are 37 of you in here and you're the last to order.
Me: Well, none of that seems to be my fault. Why were you only loaded with 5 starters?
CC: I don't know. That's nothing to do with me. And I've got to start somewhere with the orders.
Me: Of course, I understand that, but it seems very unfair to go round a cabin of 37 with only a choice for 5 people. Do you have the fishcakes main course?
CC: Yes. So do you want the beetroot or not?
Me: No, as I said, it maked me ill.

And off she went.....

Two minutes later the male CC came back and said that there were some starters not being used from the 1st cabin, and I could have one of those. By this point I was slightly seething with the other CC attitude, but as he was trying to fix it, I took him up on the offer and had a stilton starter.

The rest of the meal was fine - in fact the fishcakes were excellent.

After dinner I was feeling pretty tired so decided to make the bed - had a bit of a wrestle with the foot stool - not the easiest thing to operate! No duvet, just a blanket, but it was comfortable enough and I slept for the next three hours of the flight.

I was woken by the cabin lights being turned back on, and the afternoon tea service. A couple of sandwiches, scone with jam and cream and a cup of tea. All fine.

We landed slightly early, and were soon at the gate and off the plane. Immigration was very quiet and I was quickly through and waiting for my bags. there didn't seem to be any priority, but I didn't have too long a wait and I was out into the surprisingly mild Boston air and in a cab off to my hotel.

So - a bit of a quick comparison from BA CW to Virgin UC:

Check in - fine. Not as usually as friendly as VS.

Fast track security. Not as swish as the VS wing, but it was quick.

Lounge: I liked the layout and the food. The check in staff were not a patch on the Clubhouse welcome. After that, as it's all serve yourself, I didn't speak to anyone else. The seats were comfy, the wifi excellent.

The plane Seat: Comfy, but the layout isn't a patch on UC. The foot stool was a pain to operate, I missed the sleep suit and duvet. IFE - I didn't really use. Each time the CC wanted to pass me something the dividing screen would zoom up and down - I felt a bit sorry for the bloke in the seat next to me. Not a brilliant design at all.

The Food: What I got was good. To only load 5 of one starter for 37 people is poor.

The service: Overall it was efficient, but not friendly. the male CC was ok, but the others I dealt with seemed 'cold'.

Overall - I was thankful that Virgin got me to Boston on time, even though it wasn't on their plane. If it was my money buying a ticket and I could afford CW/UC then based on this experience it would be Virgin every time. As it is, I'm glad the company are happy to use Virgin!
#763137 by tontybear
03 Jan 2011, 13:30
Thanks for the TR - glad you arrived safely.

I guess they planned the meals and the ratio between the starters based on X load factor but with probably a sudden influx of VS pax (I assume you wern't the only one to be offered the switch) thay had a Z load and probbaly hard to get the extra in the same proportions.

Still that dosent mean the CC should be snotty about it.
#763138 by rich1664
03 Jan 2011, 13:33
tontybear wrote:Thanks for the TR - glad you arrived safely.

I guess they planned the meals and the ratio between the starters based on X load factor but with probably a sudden influx of VS pax (I assume you wern't the only one to be offered the switch) thay had a Z load and probbaly hard to get the extra in the same proportions.

Still that dosent mean the CC should be snotty about it.


You could be right, but at the VS desk they told me that they were only offering the 8 - 10 UC passengers the chance to move across, and, as it was the VS plane did fly. So even if no one from VS moved to BA still would have been 27 BA passengers chasing 5 starters.

Maybe it was the 'I fly Gold' FC luggage tag on my carry on that did it.....
#763139 by tontybear
03 Jan 2011, 13:38
rich1664 wrote:
Maybe it was the 'I fly Gold' FC luggage tag on my carry on that did it.....


All the more reason for them to be nice to you and try and get you to switch!
#763145 by slinky09
03 Jan 2011, 15:37
Thanks for the TR - I always like the comparisons and you provided rich detail. You've added to the number of comments recently about how inferior the BA experience is. I'll continue to avoid BA where possible.

tontybear wrote:
rich1664 wrote:
Maybe it was the 'I fly Gold' FC luggage tag on my carry on that did it.....


All the more reason for them to be nice to you and try and get you to switch!


Exactly! Maybe they're more preoccupied by their next strike!
#763151 by rich1664
03 Jan 2011, 17:01
slinky09 wrote:Thanks for the TR - I always like the comparisons and you provided rich detail. You've added to the number of comments recently about how inferior the BA experience is. I'll continue to avoid BA where possible.


Thanks for the nice comments.

I'd be interested (though can't imagine it ever happening!) to see how it is flying in first class with BA. I'd always thought that UC is a combination of business/1st class, so I would like to know how much better the BA 1st class product is over their CW product. Looking into the 1st cabin as I got off the plane it looked liked a more spacious VS UC cabin. Though for the prices they charge for 1st you'd hope it was significantly more impressive than CW!
#763168 by MrT
03 Jan 2011, 19:46
Thanks for the TR.

You would think that they would make a special effort to put on a great in flight service when they have a bunch of the competition's premium pax gifted to them!
#763169 by honey lamb
03 Jan 2011, 20:03
Thanks for the trip report.

Your experience in Club World was similar to mine with the screen shooting up and down every time the crew needed to give you something, the almost claustrophobic feeling when it was up and the general indifference of the crew. In fact the only difference between your flight and mine was the absence of a drinks run on mine v(
#763171 by rich1664
03 Jan 2011, 20:34
honey lamb wrote:Thanks for the trip report.

Your experience in Club World was similar to mine with the screen shooting up and down every time the crew needed to give you something, the almost claustrophobic feeling when it was up and the general indifference of the crew. In fact the only difference between your flight and mine was the absence of a drinks run on mine v(


I wasn't bothered about the isolation of the suite - though I did feel I was intruding when I was having to step over the legs of the person in row 11 aisle seat so I could get to the aisle.

I had also forgotten that the CC who brought round the afternoon teas was very smiley and cheerful - so just her and the male CC seemed to make an effort.

Thinking about it, and I'm really not sure if I'm saying anything here - just an observation, is that the age of the CC was older than on the Virgin flight. How this could impact on their perceived friendliness, I wouldn't like to comment... just something I noticed.
#763172 by locutus
03 Jan 2011, 20:38
Interesting comparison. I have to admit I quite like the BA seat, it's got a nice Z position that is quite comfy, and I like being able to go from bed to seat without having to get up, as I can never make up my mind what to do.

Shame you didn't get a 747 with AVOD, that is a massive improvement over VS's effort on the Boston service where is usually Odyssey/Nova (Or at least it has been when I've looked at doing this route), though it wasn't like you had a choice of flights!

As soon as the safety announcement is done, that shutter goes up. It is a bit odd having someone so close. I'd always be worried about things being spilt on me if I was in the aisle seat.
#763175 by tontybear
03 Jan 2011, 20:53
rich1664 wrote:
Thinking about it, and I'm really not sure if I'm saying anything here - just an observation, is that the age of the CC was older than on the Virgin flight. How this could impact on their perceived friendliness, I wouldn't like to comment... just something I noticed.


Last week there was a report on CBS News about a flight attendant who was 74 and who was still full of the joys of her job even after 53 years. True she had number 1 seniority so had 1st choice about what routes she chose but she still loved her job and serving her pax.
#763208 by rich1664
04 Jan 2011, 11:53
Just to add in a little more - I've just come off the phone to the FC who will credit me with the miles and tier points into my Virgin FC account from the BA flight.

I got straight through to an agent, who was fantastically helpful.

So all good!
#763209 by honey lamb
04 Jan 2011, 12:28
rich1664 wrote:Just to add in a little more - I've just come off the phone to the FC who will credit me with the miles and tier points into my Virgin FC account from the BA flight.

I got straight through to an agent, who was fantastically helpful.

So all good!

Excellent! y)
#763219 by Guest
04 Jan 2011, 16:47
rich1664 wrote:
I'd be interested (though can't imagine it ever happening!) to see how it is flying in first class with BA. I'd always thought that UC is a combination of business/1st class, so I would like to know how much better the BA 1st class product is over their CW product. Looking into the 1st cabin as I got off the plane it looked liked a more spacious VS UC cabin. Though for the prices they charge for 1st you'd hope it was significantly more impressive than CW!


IME a good UC experience is just as good, but no better, than a good CW one. BA First is way and above what VS can, and do offer in J, but as ever much of it depends on the cabin crew and indeed when one flies and the route. Upper Class is not a mix of J and F but J; many carriers currently exceed that which Virgin offer in J if the TRs are anything to go by (Emeriates for example) - the Virgin product has been somewhat eroded over the last few years and for many the loyality to the brand tested and failed as is demonstrated by the number of V-Fylers now flying BA as a carrier of choice. I currently book VS J (or BA J on some routes) because of the CDC; however if BA bring this service back to their full fare J pax (as is rumoured) then this equation may well tip back. I still use BA First as a leisure PAX on flights over 10hrs as I believe it delivers me VFM (and free connecting flights in some instances).

My first VS J flight was awful but I did not base my views on the service from that alone; to be honest I have been lucky as it was the only true awful one I have experienced. The same can be said of any carrier, class or indeed flight sector.

I do hope you get the chance to fly BA First (look out for a promotion - there are many about offering one way free upgrade from J to F) and I would be very interested to hearing your views.

Thanks for you TR - interesting read.
#763228 by rich1664
04 Jan 2011, 18:19
hackneyguy wrote:IME a good UC experience is just as good, but no better, than a good CW one.


Interesting - as for me - if the level of service from the CC was exactly the same on the two different flights, then VS UC would still be preferable as IMO the layout of the UC cabin is superior to the CW cabin layout.

But is that like trying to compare apples with oranges? Would it be fairer to compare the layout of the VS UC with the BA 1st?
#763306 by HighFlyer
05 Jan 2011, 16:37
Interesting read, thanks for sharing, and I am glad you made it to BOS okay.

As someone who has shifted from being firmly in the VS camp to being firmly in the BA camp, I can nod to much of what HackneyGuy has said. I've had good and bad flights on both carriers, neither is perfect. BA lack some of the 'fun' that is a huge part of the VS brand but for me personally its a fair trade for the largely professional (if not a little stand-offish) service that I tend to receive. I have not yet experienced giggling crew reading Heat magazine or fussing over their hair pieces as I have seen on VS.

The lounge experience with BA (and much of the OW network) isnt great, I sorely miss having a bar onboard and the few BA 777s operating without AVOD can be a dissapointment but for me personally the CW bed is the winner. I much prefer the sleeping position and I have found the temperature onboard to be much better than VS. Flying home from HKG on Monday I must have slept for 9 hours which I could never manage with VS before -- I think its the high walls of the suite that prevent sufficient airflow.

BA Fs layout is slightly similar to VS UC but there are a lot less seats in F and more space generally. BA F is also being refreshed at the moment and I'm keen to try it out :)
#763355 by MarkedMan
06 Jan 2011, 04:44
I've tried both, and a third option too (my current one of choice) and I have to say that I am firmly in the "difficult to decide" camp, too. CH and bar are the winners for VS in my book as well - though one sometimes feels simply because they are sunk costs - too expensive or simply pointless to try and change.

When I firmly switched to VS in 2002 for 7 years, it was a great product. My BH still uses one of the UC amenity kit bags we used to get, khaki rectangular box with almost all around zipper, to store medications, which come out every day, and the container survives to this day intact, it a little marked up here and there. Then again it's been all around the world! This to say that in days back quality in the VS experience went all the way to the bag you got with the amenity kit. I still use the OB luggage tags, like the cuff links etc etc. Not no more. F? I don't think so.

One might have been able to say, in a nutshell, that there was something to the J/F claim 8 to 10 years ago. Not today. Not by a long shot.

I also agree with HF that a more open cabin layout favors air circulation, and I much prefer a seat that progressively goes flat to one that has more of an all-or-nothing setup. I almost never sleep fully flat, in fact I typically choose rear facing seats as I like to have my head slightly raised anyway. The ability to control recline is a major plus. And the real all around winner? Keep the AVOD on from boarding to landing - you will get an extra movie in just because of that. I just don't understand why everyone doesn't do this. Just plain common sense.
#763664 by rich1664
10 Jan 2011, 18:08
rich1664 wrote:Just to add in a little more - I've just come off the phone to the FC who will credit me with the miles and tier points into my Virgin FC account from the BA flight.

I got straight through to an agent, who was fantastically helpful.

So all good!


Just so you know, the miles and tier points were credited to my Virgin FC account today.

Now the question is.. should I try and claim the miles again to go on my rarely used BA executive club account....?!
#763667 by Guest
10 Jan 2011, 18:47
rich1664 wrote:
Now the question is.. should I try and claim the miles again to go on my rarely used BA executive club account....?!


As you wouldn't have been booked on a revenue ticket but a quid pro quo then it will be be a no v(
#763700 by rich1664
11 Jan 2011, 01:14
hackneyguy wrote:
As you wouldn't have been booked on a revenue ticket but a quid pro quo then it will be be a no v(


Sorry hackeyguy, but by entering the ticket number on the new ticket I was given on the missing miles on the BA website, I've been credited with miles and points into my BA account.

Bonus!
#763701 by DocRo
11 Jan 2011, 01:39
The cabin crew can and do make the difference. Unfortunately, it seems the BA crew are likely to be conspicuous by their absence come the end of this month once again.
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