Inappropriate crew member

Also many crew have contacts in vegas who are more than happy to add 'passengers' to the guest lists to help jump the lines. The door staff at the frequent clubs we visit are more than happy to help our pax jump the lines, and have given out phone numbers to call.

The crew member was simply sharing her knowledge with the pax, the clubs we get into are not simply to flirt with men.

If anything I'm more upset that you think all our crew are hookers.

At no point did I say that all crew are "hookers". You have taken this view yourself, you have also confirmed my full post. I was simply stating that I thought the crew member acted very unprofessionally.

The general consensus seems to be that it's ok for a member of crew to give this advice to complete strangers, I however think it's totally wrong. I can't think of another airline, budget ones included, where crew would have this type of conversation with passengers.

[honey lamb]

The general consensus seems to be that it's ok for a member of crew to give this advice to complete strangers, I however think it's totally wrong. I can't think of another airline, budget ones included, where crew would have this type of conversation with passengers.

Has it been established that the conversation you had overheard was to a complete stranger? Taken out of context how do you know to whom the information was given other than another passenger? Was it to a friend or relative who had secured an upgrade and who was seeking this information? Was it to a passenger who had requested this? If it was unsolicited information then, yes, I would say it was inappropriate but we have all sought information from friends, relatives and complete strangers on internet forums such as this about various things to do and see whenever we go to new places. What is so different about this? You listened into a private conversation between adults

You also state that you cannot think of another airline where crew would have this type of conversation. Airlines the world over have crew that are questioned about activities at their various destinations. Some of these are noted sex tourism destinations and it would be naive to suppose that such questions would not be asked of crew. In some instances answers you might not like to hear similar to the ones in the original post are given. However if some of them involved criminality such as paedophilia, I would be reporting that to the most senior cabin crew on board and to the police on landing

It is not a private conversation when everyone around can hear. In employment law this issue would be classed as gross misconduct. Leading paying customers in to potential danger. If the conversation had been on the ground and out of work then fine.

This reply is to be expected, it seems that on this forum if you have anything at all to say against the Virgin brand then you are shot down in flames, the elitism shown on this forum from members who fly upper is quite shocking (also very hypocritical as most of you get these upper flights free from work). On balance upper is a poor product when compared to Emirates for example. Even BA/AA have a better product and most importantly you are treated with a bit of respect. As for first class, Virgin can completely forget about that.



As I fully know I won't be welcomed back on this forum I will delete my account.

I have always found the advice provided by crew to be very helpful. It's not in their job spec, but the fact that they often spend time in the destinations we pay to fly to, their experience is great! Many times I have received great advice!

It's all a matter of opinion. To one person, the crew have exceeded a customers expectations and provided personal advice/recommendation. To another they may have deemed it inappropriate,

In my opinion, no one has said your posts are wrong, but have simply given their opinion. For me, I speak highly of the VS brand because I ave had great experience.

I wish I got upper class flights with work, unfortunately I have to pay. For me, this site will help those who have started out in Y or PE to make the most of the VS FC! Also, once you turn left, it's very hard to turn right again!

I would like to see an employment tribunal rule whether someone dismissed for this was enaging in gross misconduct or not. That does presuppose a formal complaint is made to VS and they take disciplinary action against that member of staff of course.

From what you said there was no leading or enticement of the pax to do anything and no illegal activity was proposed either. You might believe it was immoral but others do not.

That does not make you wrong or anyone else right though. We are all entitled to our opinion.

My view is that only the pax actually engaged with the cc in this conversation has a legitimate complaint as to whether the conversation was appropriate or not. Again from what you said the pax took the information willingly. We do not know if she acted upon it either. If she did that would be up to her (and her friends). I really cannot see how VS would have any liabilty to the pax though if anything happened.

You have clearly stated that you were unhappy with this conversation and you are perfectly entitled to this view. But it is also clear that others do not share that view.

All my flights are paid for by myself and I know that the same applies for many others who post on this site too.

Stating a contrary view to yours is nothing to do with blindly supporting the virgin brand (in fact my last 3 trans atlantic flights have not been on VS so I am hardly cheer leader in chief!) or being elitist.

My feeling is that any criticism of VS is listened to and responsed to with respect and where the issue merits it it is with concern and advice on what to do to try and remedy it e.g. cloudscudder and his recent experience. Threads such as 'eclairgate' are the exception and to a degree the person involved deserved the robust response they got and not just from this site.

If you want to read aggressive and elitist posts I can recommend another airline related site.

If you choose to close your v-flyer account that is fine. It is also fine if you choose not to fly VS as well.

No one is forcing you to fly VS and no one forces the members here to either. We fly VS for all sorts of reasons.

It is not a private conversation when everyone around can hear. In employment law this issue would be classed as gross misconduct. Leading paying customers in to potential danger. If the conversation had been on the ground and out of work then fine.

This reply is to be expected, it seems that on this forum if you have anything at all to say against the Virgin brand then you are shot down in flames, the elitism shown on this forum from members who fly upper is quite shocking (also very hypocritical as most of you get these upper flights free from work). On balance upper is a poor product when compared to Emirates for example. Even BA/AA have a better product and most importantly you are treated with a bit of respect. As for first class, Virgin can completely forget about that.

As I fully know I won't be welcomed back on this forum I will delete my account.

Hmm you posted and people disagreed, no need to run for the hills, happens a lot here. You should have read Cloudscudder's recent TR to see a good example on non-VS cheerleading - of course we're here because we like VS, but we're not blind.

Yes, there does tend to be an Upper bias, because those who fly frequently are likely to post more, and those who fly frequently aim to use miles or other wheezes to get the more comfortable seats - but there are plenty who pay for themselves.

I haven't commented on your original post because it set me thinking, my immediate reaction was prudish ... so I sat and thought, then realized I have no idea if the CC and passenger knew each other, no idea if this is normal for young women, and no idea about the context. So I stayed schtum. Often the best policy.

[Nottingham Nick]

....As I fully know I won't be welcomed back on this forum I will delete my account.

You put a point up for debate - it was debated. Some people agreed with you, some didn't. That is the point of a debate.

Personally I didn't agree with you, but that doesn't mean your opinion is any less valid than mine. We encourage debate, we discourage insults and personal attacks. It is your call about deleting your account, but I would encourage you not to.

Stick around, join in discussions and (hopefully) pick up tips that will make your VS experiences better - that is why V-Flyer exists.

Nick

If forced, I'd have to err on the side of "close to the line, but no step over".

I very much doubt this was in contravention of any part of a crew members employment contract, but I can see the argument that it's inappropriate - I wouldn't, for example, wish my daughter to overhear that; but were I still single I'd love to have overheard, and maybe get to know said passenger.

It's all in the -- ear of the listener?

I know this may come as a shock to the oldies and parents, but this kinda thing happens all the time and all over the world. In Vegas, especially so. I know of club promoters and planners actively scour the room for attractive girls to bring to their (very high paying) clients table in clubs. Free drinks for the girls, the guys feel like handsome devils as well as big shots and the hosts/server/club gets a good payout at the end of it from all the additional cash the clients spend on impressing their new found lady friends.

Now, I'm not saying its right or wrong. It just happens and to be honest I would have thought everyone would have 'got' the logic behind this kinda tactic. Its a tactic and thats all it should be recognised as. I'd be really surprised if the VS cabin crew got a kickback, but more than likely she was being 'helpful' in regards to how to get free drinks on what is usually an expensive night out as a young attractive female in Vegas.

[Nottingham Nick]

I know this may come as a shock to the oldies and parents, but this kinda thing happens all the time and all over the world......

LOL It may come as a shock to your generation, but carnal activities, and the facilitation thereof, is nothing new. 8D

Today's youth haven't invented any physical activity that their parents (and many, many generations before them)didn't partake in .... it is just done under the influence of different stimulants today, and the ways of 'getting together' are more hi-tech in the 21st century.

Nick

LOL It may come as a shock to your generation, but carnal activities, and the facilitation thereof, is nothing new. 8D

Noooooo! I didn't want that particular thought in my mind!

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LOL It may come as a shock to your generation, but carnal activities, and the facilitation thereof, is nothing new. 8D

Thanks Nick ... those of us on the cusp (now who is #1 in the pop charts again?) still hang on to dreams of one last fling of the carnal past.

Mind you, didn't we do it better? Getting sloshed and throwing up on the street seems so boring to me.

Wondered whether to post on this one, but here goes....

I think I am fairly liberal minded, but maybe more discretion was needed by the cc. So, advice would have been fine, but not so people can overhear it.

In the same way, if at work I say something I shouldn't it is not a defence that no offence was meant - it is wheteher someone took offence or could possibly take offence. That 'someone' doesn't have to be the 'recipient' of the comment.

Maybe we have all become too touchy, but that does seem to be the way of the world now.

I wish someone could point out clubs to me where the men are bought drinks by the women - but then again Mrs S may have something to say about that !

To be honest I wonder that earwigging on other peoples conversations might be worse than whats erm " overheard".
People these days are a little quick to be offended and often look for reasons to be offended so they can be superior and moralise. If a conversation is taking place between two people and your not one of them, just mind your own business or put your headphones on. Unless someone is being threatened or some crime is being planned.
Oh I fly UCS and pay my way.

I imagine people ask CC "How do I skip the line to get in to a club" every flight to LAS.

Fancy posting a controversial thread and then throwing a strop at the discussion. Highlights a little repressed intolerance if you ask me, chill out life is short.