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@Concorde - exactly right. J & W are much more reliable for much of the year. Y is very school-holiday dependent.

@Flabound - deplaning order at MCO is a major issue - can result in 30-40minutes stuck in a line. The new B-zone cabin will be better for this and will be first off - but PE in the bubble will be behind the Y pax upstairs; I would guess they may not have any priority over the Y downstairs either ....
The old B-zone had the special needs pax- they stay in their seats so did not hold back the UC pax too badly.

@Tontybear - right, there is an element of "income" in the UC fuel "etc." supposedly to cover seat weight, but pax. & luggage weight still needs fuel so it cannot be considered totally revenue.

I suspect that VS decision making is almost entirely office-bound. Little experience on the flights or communication with the customers - that's the issue.

It does not matter particularly if even 60% are not bothered with the changes. If even only 20% are - and just look elsewhere - that can really hurt the bottom line and VS future.

@Flabound - deplaning order at MCO is a major issue - can result in 30-40minutes stuck in a line. The new B-zone cabin will be better for this and will be first off - but PE in the bubble will be behind the Y pax upstairs; I would guess they may not have any priority over the Y downstairs either ....

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Bill-totally agree thats why 79 has always been my preferred seat (along with many),Ive already spent enough of my life qing at immigration thanks !

and agree 100% with your other points too y)

plus if the '20%' are regular flyers its going to cost a lot more just for making maybethe 'once in a lifetime' flyer happy.

One of the reasons I enjoyed the exclusivity of the bubble was that it separated me from Y pax. I don't want to be in the same cabin as them, whether bubble or not, with the people that I was happy to pay a premium to avoid. There are always "incidents" on the MCO and LAS routes in Y. Oil and water do not mix.

As an exercise in marketing communications it is appalling and another example of the ineptitude of Virgin. Great adverts, but they cannot walk the talk.

And to all those that are dribbling out the "could be worse" platitudes, quite why we should be "grateful" for this change (albeit in the speculative stage) just because there are worse things in the world is adding no value at all. I don't think anyone has said "it is God's will", or "it is the will of Allah" yet which is just as idiotic.

One of the reasons I enjoyed the exclusivity of the bubble was that it separated me from Y pax. I don't want to be in the same cabin as them, whether bubble or not, with the people that I was happy to pay a premium to avoid. There are always "incidents" on the MCO and LAS routes in Y. Oil and water do not mix.

Luckily then you'll have a dedicated PE cabin downstairs.

[preiffer]

@Tontybear - right, there is an element of "income" in the UC fuel "etc." supposedly to cover seat weight, but pax. & luggage weight still needs fuel so it cannot be considered totally revenue.

I suspect that VS decision making is almost entirely office-bound. Little experience on the flights or communication with the customers - that's the issue.

It does not matter particularly if even 60% are not bothered with the changes. If even only 20% are - and just look elsewhere - that can really hurt the bottom line and VS future.

Bill - this fuel surcharge not "income" thing is utter BS...

So, on that logic, please also remove from any revenue calculations the cost of staff, food, baggage handling, de-icing of planes, airport ops, pilot wages. Only, we don't - because they're a cost of doing business for an airline, *just as fuel is*.

The "surcharge" is a brain-washing by the airline industry to make us feel sorry for THEIR costs increasing. At the end of the day, it goes into THEIR bank account - nobody else's, so it's *revenue*. Plain and simple.


(Sorry - soapbox I know, and different issue to the main thread, I know - but this perception that fuel is an extra cost of flying needs to stop, and we don't help it by referring to it as non-revenue)

[preiffer]

One of the reasons I enjoyed the exclusivity of the bubble was that it separated me from Y pax. I don't want to be in the same cabin as them, whether bubble or not, with the people that I was happy to pay a premium to avoid. There are always "incidents" on the MCO and LAS routes in Y. Oil and water do not mix.

Having experienced a disgusting display of human behaviour from a group of PE passengers not too long ago, I couldn't' disagree with this statement more.

I fly in Upper *not* to "avoid" PE or Economy passengers, but because it's more comfortable - and would never make such a generalisation about 350 people I don't know, and have never met. And people think J passengers are up their own ar$es... ii)

One of the reasons I enjoyed the exclusivity of the bubble was that it separated me from Y pax. I don't want to be in the same cabin as them, whether bubble or not, with the people that I was happy to pay a premium to avoid. There are always "incidents" on the MCO and LAS routes in Y. Oil and water do not mix.

As an exercise in marketing communications it is appalling and another example of the ineptitude of Virgin. Great adverts, but they cannot walk the talk.

And to all those that are dribbling out the "could be worse" platitudes, quite why we should be "grateful" for this change (albeit in the speculative stage) just because there are worse things in the world is adding no value at all. I don't think anyone has said "it is God's will", or "it is the will of Allah" yet which is just as idiotic.

That's got to be sarcasm. Please please tell me that it is. Either that or trolling, but I've seen precious little of that in the year I've been on this board.

Personally I could easily fly PE or J on hols, but I don't (ok, there's a degree of matrimonial enforcement there as many of you know). So when I'm in Y, does that suddenly make me one of the great unwashed that you seem so keen to avoid?

One of the reasons I enjoyed the exclusivity of the bubble was that it separated me from Y pax. I don't want to be in the same cabin as them, whether bubble or not, with the people that I was happy to pay a premium to avoid. There are always "incidents" on the MCO and LAS routes in Y. Oil and water do not mix.

Having experienced a disgusting display of human behaviour from a group of PE passengers not too long ago, I couldn't' disagree with this statement more.

I fly in Upper *not* to "avoid" PE or Economy passengers, but because it's more comfortable - and would never make such a generalisation about 350 people I don't know, and have never met. And people think J passengers are up their own ar$es... ii)

You leave generalisations to me and we'll get on just fine.

[preiffer]

One of the reasons I enjoyed the exclusivity of the bubble was that it separated me from Y pax. I don't want to be in the same cabin as them, whether bubble or not, with the people that I was happy to pay a premium to avoid. There are always "incidents" on the MCO and LAS routes in Y. Oil and water do not mix.

Having experienced a disgusting display of human behaviour from a group of PE passengers not too long ago, I couldn't' disagree with this statement more.

I fly in Upper *not* to "avoid" PE or Economy passengers, but because it's more comfortable - and would never make such a generalisation about 350 people I don't know, and have never met. And people think J passengers are up their own ar$es... ii)

You leave generalisations to me and we'll get on just fine.

I doubt that. "Oil and water don't mix".

One of the reasons I enjoyed the exclusivity of the bubble was that it separated me from Y pax. I don't want to be in the same cabin as them, whether bubble or not, with the people that I was happy to pay a premium to avoid. There are always "incidents" on the MCO and LAS routes in Y. Oil and water do not mix.

As an exercise in marketing communications it is appalling and another example of the ineptitude of Virgin. Great adverts, but they cannot walk the talk.

And to all those that are dribbling out the "could be worse" platitudes, quite why we should be "grateful" for this change (albeit in the speculative stage) just because there are worse things in the world is adding no value at all. I don't think anyone has said "it is God's will", or "it is the will of Allah" yet which is just as idiotic.

That's got to be sarcasm. Please please tell me that it is. Either that or trolling, but I've seen precious little of that in the year I've been on this board.

Personally I could easily fly PE or J on hols, but I don't (ok, there's a degree of matrimonial enforcement there as many of you know). So when I'm in Y, does that suddenly make me one of the great unwashed that you seem so keen to avoid?

I don't know. However if you fall into the category of drunken, fighting, loud, uncontrollable kids running amok, drinking your duty free, being rude to the FAs, then yes you are part of the "great unwashed". Which reminds me - add the category of unwashed shellsuited pax too.

Everyone's experience mileage varies and mine has been excpetionally negative in Y to the point I don't want to see them or hear them. Perhaps I should change my name to Colonel Jessup.

I doubt that. "Oil and water don't mix".

Then we are in agreement. I knew we had something in common.

[Darren Wheeler]

Or just change airlines and let the Virgin passengers travel without you.

If the "great unwashed" are so offensive to you, might I suggest giving these a call?

http://www.premieraviation.com/

[Neil]

SilverFox,

I wish you well in your quest to find a new airline that offers PE exclusively on the upper deck of their a/c, I think you might just struggle.

So, you are left with horrible experience of having to sit only a curtain away from a Y pax - how will you cope!

[preiffer]

Or just change airlines and let the Virgin passengers travel without you.

If the "great unwashed" are so offensive to you, might I suggest giving these a call?

http://www.premieraviation.com/

If that was an option for Silver Fox's wallet, Darren, I'm sure he wouldn't be sat with the "semi-unwashed" in PE in the first place... ii)


(For everyone else's benefit, I am, of course, joking - but oh. my. god. The things you see written on this site.)

I am getting a tad concerned about the tone of some of the comments on this thread which seem to be more about the people who fly in a particular cabin rather than the services provided in that cabin.

Lets face it there are lovely people who fly in UC/PE and Y and there are some horrible people who also travel in UC/PE and Y.

One of the reasons I enjoyed the exclusivity of the bubble was that it separated me from Y pax. I don't want to be in the same cabin as them, whether bubble or not, with the people that I was happy to pay a premium to avoid. There are always "incidents" on the MCO and LAS routes in Y. Oil and water do not mix.

Having experienced a disgusting display of human behaviour from a group of PE passengers not too long ago, I couldn't' disagree with this statement more.

I fly in Upper *not* to "avoid" PE or Economy passengers, but because it's more comfortable - and would never make such a generalisation about 350 people I don't know, and have never met. And people think J passengers are up their own ar$es... ii)

Personally, I fly Upper because I can't bear to be in the same cabin as the bourgeois oiks in PE...

Personally, I fly Upper because I can't bear to be in the same cabin as the bourgeois oiks in PE...

HA HA HA.
^) ^) ^)

If we are being snobby, I find that PE is too Daily Mail for my Independent reading Upper Class Tastes



Well at 8 pages, it certainly seems to be an emotive subject. I personally didn't realise how much LGW/MAN PE passengers valued the Bubble. Very interesting to see though.

One of the reasons I enjoyed the exclusivity of the bubble was that it separated me from Y pax. I don't want to be in the same cabin as them, whether bubble or not, with the people that I was happy to pay a premium to avoid. There are always "incidents" on the MCO and LAS routes in Y. Oil and water do not mix.

Having experienced a disgusting display of human behaviour from a group of PE passengers not too long ago, I couldn't' disagree with this statement more.

I fly in Upper *not* to "avoid" PE or Economy passengers, but because it's more comfortable - and would never make such a generalisation about 350 people I don't know, and have never met. And people think J passengers are up their own ar$es... ii)

Personally, I fly Upper because I can't bear to be in the same cabin as the bourgeois oiks in PE...

y) As is your right. But be careful, some people are quite sensitive about people that would express such a sentiment.

[preiffer]

One of the reasons I enjoyed the exclusivity of the bubble was that it separated me from Y pax. I don't want to be in the same cabin as them, whether bubble or not, with the people that I was happy to pay a premium to avoid. There are always "incidents" on the MCO and LAS routes in Y. Oil and water do not mix.

Having experienced a disgusting display of human behaviour from a group of PE passengers not too long ago, I couldn't' disagree with this statement more.

I fly in Upper *not* to "avoid" PE or Economy passengers, but because it's more comfortable - and would never make such a generalisation about 350 people I don't know, and have never met. And people think J passengers are up their own ar$es... ii)

Personally, I fly Upper because I can't bear to be in the same cabin as the bourgeois oiks in PE...

oo) oo) ^) ^)

[Decker]

Might now be a good time to remind people that on V-Flyer we play the ball NOT the player?... Just putting it out there...

While he's not got a good way of saying it, you can't deny that theres more incidents in economy than PE on the likes of Vegas or Orlando trip. Its certainly not all passengers thats for sure, but like stag parties on planes to Prague, he has some sort of valid point...

Also there's less likely to be a family of six, with four children running riot in PE. Sure, it happens in UC and PE sometimes, but they are far less likely to pay premium for the children...

My goodness! What happened - let's keep this forum the friendly, helpful, civilised place I joined.

I propose we assume the comment by silver fox to have been tongue in cheek - and leave it at that.

I'm interested in this concept of issues in Y on the MCO route etc - never heard or witnessed it...

I have had trips in W to MCO with thuggish parents of totally out of control and non-house-trained children...J passengers who think they are a cut above and been generally rude, ignorant and patronising to all....a trip to BGI in Y surrounded by families going on holiday with some of the best behaved children I've seen in a long time - yes, honestly.

Is it not the case that there's good and bad in all walks of life?

We pay for the increased comfort and service level, do we not?

[buns]

My goodness! What happened - let's keep this forum the friendly, helpful, civilised place I joined.



Is it not the case that there's good and bad in all walks of life?

We pay for the increased comfort and service level, do we not?

Concorde

Well Said y) y)

buns