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#814381 by wraf137
21 Jun 2012, 14:13
COMPARISON – British Airways World Traveller Plus versus Virgin Atlantic Premium Economy

For anyone thinking of travelling either British Airways World Traveller Plus (BA WTP) or Virgin Atlantic Premium Economy (Virgin PE), I’ve drawn up a quick reference comparison table – the information is from the respective airline’s websites and my recent experience of both products. Greater detail is given below the table.

(Can’t seem to post the table so have broken it down into a list instead.)

Dedicated check-in desk
WTP – No
PE – Yes

Checked baggage allowance
WTP – 2 x 23kg
PE – 2 x 23kg

Priority baggage
WTP – No
PE – Yes

Priority boarding
WTP – No (in fact WTP is very last group to board)
PE – Yes

Seat pitch
WTP – BA website does not specify but SeatGuru says 38”
PE – 38”

Cabin layout
WTP – on 777, 2-4-2, 3 or 5 rows
PE – on 747, 2-2 upstairs and 2-4-2 downstairs; 2-3-2 on A340 and A330

Dedicated toilets
WTP – No. On 777, where 3 rows WTP, toilets are in middle of Economy cabin; where 5 rows, toilets are in Economy cabin but immediately behind WTP
PE – depends on aircraft and configuration

Entertainment (IFE)
WTP – varies according to aircraft
PE – varies according to aircraft

Dedicated cabin crew
WTP – No
PE – Yes

Pre-departure drink
WTP – No
PE – Yes

Different meal to Economy
WTP – Yes; to/from LHR and LGW, not clear for other routes
PE – Yes

Food extras
WTP – No
In our experience:
One drinks run on 8½ hour flight, then a few water/juice runs during flight
One drinks run on 7½ hour flight, no water/juice runs
PE - Yes
Help-yourself fresh fruit
More food on the tray (eg cheese and biscuits)
Ice cream (all classes, not just WTP)
Other snacks (sweet and savoury) offered during flight
In our experience:
Drinks readily available – crew either do drinks runs (offering water/juice or actually asking what you want) or you could go to galley any time

Bottle of water provided
WTP – No
PE – Yes

Reading material
WTP – No (except BA in-flight magazine)
PE – Yes; newspapers and magazines as you board, newspapers offered onboard

Extra mileage points
WTP – 25%
PE – 125-150%


I have flown Virgin PE numerous times and have just completed my 4th transatlantic flight in BA WTP.

I am not impressed with BA WTP. It is not a good product, especially when compared to Virgin PE, even though it is a similar cost and is marketed as being comparable. In reality, a more accurate comparison would be with United Airlines Economy Plus, ie just extra legroom. Unlike Virgin, there is no separate check-in desk, no priority boarding (in fact, just the opposite!), no priority luggage, no dedicated cabin crew and no pre-departure drink.

The BA website says WTP is, “given priority when leaving the aircraft”. Personally I do not believe this is a specific benefit for WTP but simply a result of WTP being located between Business and Economy. What the website does not tell you is that BA’s policy is to board by row number from the rear forward which makes perfect sense but means that WTP boards last of all, which doesn’t quite fit with the idea of a premium product.

Despite the BA website mentioning a complimentary newspaper, none were offered at all on my 2 recent WTP flights. The “complimentary bar service … throughout your journey” consisted of one drinks run and I was only given one small can of soda. Other than wine, no drinks were offered with the meal. Some water/juice runs were made on one flight, none on the other. Bottles of water were not provided. I saw no evidence whatsoever of the advertised “snacks”; and I think the “3-course meal for breakfast, lunch or dinner” is a figment of the BA marketing people’s imagination, certainly where my special meal (fruit platter) was concerned.

By comparison, on my most recent flight in Virgin PE, by the time I took my seat I had been given 2 newspapers, a Hello magazine and a bottle of water. Before departure I had been offered sparkling wine, orange juice or a mixture of the two, and more newspapers. Drinks were offered regularly, by the dedicated cabin crew who came around and asked as well as being available in the galley, and who always gave 2 of the small soda cans. A full bar service was offered with the main meal; there was an ice cream run and several water/juice runs; a fruit bowl was available to help yourself from; and other snacks were offered during the flight (including hot savoury snacks). The meal was the usual appalling airline food but there was more of it, including cheese and biscuits, so more chance of finding something vaguely edible.

I think the seats and legroom are comparable, although Virgin PE upstairs on a 747 wins hands-down every time. Unfortunately the exclusivity of the 747 ‘bubble’ is being phased out with the current refitting of Virgin’s Gatwick/Manchester 747 fleet. I have not yet flown in the new ‘purple’ Virgin PE seats, nor have I travelled in the new WTP cabin. The IFE varies from aircraft to aircraft with both airlines.

Given a choice, I would always choose Virgin PE over BA WTP. It is a much superior product, distinctively different from Economy, and far better value for money. BA should either improve their WTP product to bring it in line with Virgin PE or re-brand it as extra legroom only and reduce the cost accordingly.

However, Virgin’s routes are far more limited than BA. I do not want to travel Economy and cannot often afford Business, so BA WTP is sometimes my only option. No doubt this effective monopoly is why BA can get away with providing an inferior product at an inflated cost.
#814389 by hat
21 Jun 2012, 14:56
having travelled last year in a BA 777 in standard WT (economy) in the bulkhead row right behind WTP, i can say i was underwhelmed by the look of the WTP cabin. Basically it looked like you got a bit more seat pitch & that was it, & to be honest in a 3-3-3 configured 777, the standard seat pitch & elbow room was comfortable enough even on a 11hr flight
#814406 by MarkedMan
21 Jun 2012, 18:01
I'd be curious to try WTP on the 747s where the cabin sits between F and CW, as I suspect one would, by default, have a much better experience. For one thing they let you grab snacks from the "larder". The product as such always seemed weaker than PE overall, though the one time I tried it many years ago I found the seat to be comparable (bells and whistles such as leather and IFE notwithstanding); I slept well on it.

I may try it again on the 747 if I stick with AA EXPlat, and access to Galleries First will make up for any deficiencies in the on board grub, for sure :D
#814408 by jodash
21 Jun 2012, 18:49
have not Flown BA since 1983 and that was the lowest class,so cannot comment,but since then we have only flown Virgin in all classes,did not rate last years MCO (PE) in the new airbus at all,got 2 flights coming up which will assume will be Air buses
#814421 by Hev60
21 Jun 2012, 19:51
Certainly the 'extras' offered by VS makes their PE product far superior but sometimes (not often) a WTP fare will be on offer at a better price than the VS PE fare and if you can 'reserve' the two side seats in their small WTP cabin - then IMO its worth giving up on the little extras and travel with BA.
#814430 by Hev60
21 Jun 2012, 20:27
clarkeysntfc wrote:The only redeeming feature I can think of for BA WT+ is that the sale fares can be upgraded to Club for as little as 10k Avios one way.


That sounds interesting, I've got quite a few of those Avios points after an 'uneventful & uninspiring' ): BA flight earlier this year.
#814447 by slinky09
22 Jun 2012, 00:50
clarkeysntfc wrote:The only redeeming feature I can think of for BA WT+ is that the sale fares can be upgraded to Club for as little as 10k Avios one way.


That is the one advantage BA has, plus their route network and alliance, and you can upgrade from any fare class. However, you cannot upgrade by more than one cabin at a time.
#814647 by StarGuy
23 Jun 2012, 02:56
MarkedMan wrote:I'd be curious to try WTP on the 747s where the cabin sits between F and CW, as I suspect one would, by default, have a much better experience. For one thing they let you grab snacks from the "larder".


They only let you if they do not realise that you are actually sat in WTP, they take no prisoners in normal circumstances. The Club Kitchen is for Club customers, end of story as far as 99% of BA crew are concerned.
#814660 by MarkedMan
23 Jun 2012, 08:29
StarGuy wrote:
MarkedMan wrote:I'd be curious to try WTP on the 747s where the cabin sits between F and CW, as I suspect one would, by default, have a much better experience. For one thing they let you grab snacks from the "larder".


They only let you if they do not realise that you are actually sat in WTP, they take no prisoners in normal circumstances. The Club Kitchen is for Club customers, end of story as far as 99% of BA crew are concerned.


Not intimately familiar with the BA practice here, was on a BA 747 upstairs for the first time in years earlier in the month and when I wandered downstairs to take a gander at what was on offer they had a section on the forward middle shelf of the galley, unmarked, with crisps, biscuits and chocs, and an area on the back portside shelf by the exit that had fridge, more goodie selections and was marked Club Kitchen. I had assumed the former stuff was free for all, though admittedly I did not see anyone in the area and couldn't tell you how it works.

WTP cabin looked nice and quiet, though it attracts the scorn of F pax for its location when 2L exit only is opened on arrival, as it was that day.
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