VS019 LHR-SFO 13 MAY 12 (Premium Economy)

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On a side note, I was quite impressed with the e-cigarette and think I might replace my normal cigarettes with the e-cigarette to help me quit once my duty free supply has gone.

I don't think there is any evidence that e-cigarettes help people to quit smoking. The people I know who use them use them as an alternative in some places, like airports (not sure who they fly with and if they use them there) or socially. One uses them because they think they are healthy, but I'm wary of that idea (mouth cancer comes from chewing tobacco, but it could be other things in the tobacco plant which causes this).

But unlike the patches, they don't stop the actual actions of the habit, or act in any way to help withdrawal...

I have fake gun, its not a real one though so is it ok if I take that on board ???????

I have fake gun, its not a real one though so is it ok if I take that on board ???????

Way to troll.

Wow. I'm rather shocked by all your responses.

Have any of you ever used an electronic cigarette? You do realise there is no smoke, no flame. It is just a flavourless, odourless vapour.

You make it sound like she smoked a real ciggie in the loo!

I fly aeroplanes. If one of my passengers had an electronic cigarette it wouldn't bother me one jot. It poses no risk to aircraft or occupants.

Loved the TR.

Really? Really? You fly planes and wouldn't have a problem with someone blatantly disregarding crew instructions. Nonsense.

I am an infrequent poster. However some of the comments on here have annoyed me and I am compelled to reply. It is clear it was a foolish thing to do by Freckles but some of those who commented on here need to think of better ways of expressing themselves. Just typing 'idiot' is neither helpful or constructive. If I were viewing this as a guest I would think twice about joining this apparently 'friendly' community.

I am an infrequent poster. However some of the comments on here have annoyed me and I am compelled to reply. It is clear it was a foolish thing to do by Freckles but some of those who commented on here need to think of better ways of expressing themselves. Just typing 'idiot' is neither helpful or constructive. If I were viewing this as a guest I would think twice about joining this apparently 'friendly' community.

She absolutely deserves credit for coming back and apologising, however, I do see why people might be compelled to give harsh feedback when one is seen to be almost boasting about ignoring crew instructions. I don't see any real harm done on either side following the apology.

[Neil]

I am an infrequent poster. However some of the comments on here have annoyed me and I am compelled to reply. It is clear it was a foolish thing to do by Freckles but some of those who commented on here need to think of better ways of expressing themselves. Just typing 'idiot' is neither helpful or constructive. If I were viewing this as a guest I would think twice about joining this apparently 'friendly' community.

I think the strong reaction is because many posters are well aware of the potential consequences. Of course we all know it isn't a real cigarette, but ignoring crew actions (be it this example or any) could result in diversions, delays on departing/landing while pax are rumored or authorities have to enter the aircraft to deal with them. Why should a whole a/c have to suffer because one person decided the rules didn't apply to them.

The other thing that certainly annoyed me initially is the fact the OP seemed to be boasting about their exploits. Not only did they deliberately ignore the CC's orders but then felt it was appropriate to come on to an aviation forum and practically brag about it.

The OP has since apologized and I hope they have learnt a lesson for the future, but I think the reaction was probably appropriate and I hope it may of deterred any other pax thinking about ignoring specific instructions when on an a/c.

this thread has made some interesting reading...

Thanks for the TR and all the discussion after.

I would like to give my opinion on e-cigarettes on flights, or any tight public space, the vapour is laced with nicotine. This is a drug that many people don't want to consume. Smoking in your seat you expose those around you to the drug, and in the toilets the vapour will settle and the nicotine will be on the surfaces for others to touch.

Anyway, OP I admire your balls for coming back and replying :-)

Thanks the TR.

I think the point has been made by everyone else regarding your comment on the use of the e-cigarette and I agree that this was a very silly thing to do and disrespectful to the crew.

I recently had an experience at SFO where another passenger was smoking one of these in the terminal. Now, I smelt the smoke before I saw it. Another passenger approached the guy smoking and told him to "take it outside", when he responded that it was electronic and didn't emit a smell, things kicked off (a story for another time!).

However - we all smelt it, the 15 or so passengers who were directly within the area - saw the smoke (vapour or whatever) and it smelt like a cigarette (perhaps the nicotine as Hamster has mentioned above). If i smelt this on an aircraft, I would think its a real cigarette, causing you all sorts of issues with the crew/when you arrive.

I fly aeroplanes. If one of my passengers had an electronic cigarette it wouldn't bother me one jot. It poses no risk to aircraft or occupants.

So you personally would permit it but what if your employers said these items are not permitted?

So you would be disregarding an explicit instruction from your employer which if you were caught could mean their taking disciplinary action against you.

What other rules would you allow pax to disregard? drinking their own duty free? walking about during take off and landing? not wearing a seat belt? use of mobile phones during taxi and climb and descent?


Anyway kudos to the OP for coming back and apologising. That took some courage.

[honey lamb]

Freckles, thank you for coming back and apologising. It could not have been easy given the onslaught. I think you now realise there could have been serious consequences for your actions and have learned from this.

The rest of your TR though was excellent

How many times do we see other passengers ignoring crew instructions? Pretty much every flight. I don't think I've ever been on any flight when you've landed, taxing to the terminal building and all you can hear is seatbelts being unclicked, mobile phones beeping with messages and the obligatory one person who has to open the overhead locker - all before you're parked at the terminal and the seatbelt sign switched off. Then there's the folk, who, despite numerous requests from the crew, seem perturbed at having to take their headphones off These people to me are clearly regular travellers and just don't like what the crew are telling them and just decide to do their own thing anyway. Appreciation to the OP for her response and apology. And also an otherwise great TR.

Clearly people who are saying this board is harsh or unfriendly have never looked at the BA section of flyertalk.

Clearly people who are saying this board is harsh or unfriendly have never looked at the BA section of flyertalk.

Indeed.

Some of our more robust discussions would be considered mild on FT !

E.g.whilst we have discussed children in the premium cabins on here there is a current FT thread on that subject in the BA board there are people activily encouraging (as well as saying where to get it from) drugging the children so they will sleep and not disturb other pax in Club!

Clearly people who are saying this board is harsh or unfriendly have never looked at the BA section of flyertalk.

You are right of course...

...but the suggestion that elsewhere people behave even more inexcusably is not a great defence of the (uncharacteristic) hostility exhibited here.

Clearly people who are saying this board is harsh or unfriendly have never looked at the BA section of flyertalk.

You are right of course...

...but the suggestion that elsewhere people behave even more inexcusably is not a great defence of the (uncharacteristic) hostility exhibited here.

I honestly do not think out of 40 odd replies to the original post, people have been very hostile. Maybe a couple of curt comments but they were probably said due to annoyance and to the severity of ignoring the FSM‘s instructions

I believe this thread has been given the correct amount of constructive criticism based on the actions of the OP and she has since come back to the forum to acknowledge what she did was wrong

For a very unfriendly and hostile forum, go to the TA Las Vegas one - try putting "bring my children to Las Vegas". That takes being antagonistic to a whole new level

Wow

Overall what a shocking response for the OP. OK she has a sneaky puff oh her "cig" in the loo but I think it is a bit rich of the majority to take the "moral high ground" Have you ever disobeyed a "specific" instruction or law - broken the speed limit, perhaps.

I don't see any reason why she should apologise, she clearly believed that it was a trivial situation but instead she was branded an "idiot".

If I was a passenger, I would much rather someone "smoking" an e-cig as opposed to a real one, causing a real danger and truly BREAKING the law.

Cheers
taylor11

[buns]

And today's outcome of using one of these electronic devices:

BBC News Report

Irrespective of the apparent rights of individuals, in these tense times, we all have a duty to others around us to ensure they do not feel unsafe by our actions

buns

Wow, that puts it into perspective. Imagine an aircraft having to divert and the anxiety and stress it would cause passengers and crew.

I'm sure the OP didn't consider that potential outcome when using her device but as someone else said, with the way the world is now it's important for us all to ensure our actions don't cause others anxiety, especially on an aircraft.

And today's outcome of using one of these electronic devices:

BBC News Report

Irrespective of the apparent rights of individuals, in these tense times, we all have a duty to others around us to ensure they do not feel unsafe by our actions

buns

Interesting; the Evening Standard was still running "Terror Police Swoop on London Bound Bus" story this evening with the reports that people "had seen somebody pouring liquid into a bag"...

[buns]

And today's outcome of using one of these electronic devices:

BBC News Report

Irrespective of the apparent rights of individuals, in these tense times, we all have a duty to others around us to ensure they do not feel unsafe by our actions

buns

Interesting; the Evening Standard was still running "Terror Police Swoop on London Bound Bus" story this evening with the reports that people "had seen somebody pouring liquid into a bag"...

The never to be outdone Standard I did notice myself the original story on the early editions littering the train, but this had been replaced by "Terror Swoop Near Olympic Park" even though the Met had said there was no connection. It used to be full of fine journalism (if a little partisan at times)

buns

And today's outcome of using one of these electronic devices:

BBC News Report

Irrespective of the apparent rights of individuals, in these tense times, we all have a duty to others around us to ensure they do not feel unsafe by our actions

buns

An excellent reference back to this post Buns May this be a lesson to all

rules are rules and should not be broken,"You do realise there is no smoke, no flame. It is just a flavourless, odourless vapour." so I would assume it does not stop the craving for nicotine or would you wear a patch as well! (I was a heavy smoker for over 40 years but gave it up 6 years ago but still have a daily craving for a fix!)