Could anyone pass on a message to a fellow passenger?

It looks as though the lady will receive my message.

Thanks to those of you who have shown me positive support

Well that sounds you are at least 50% there then... Can only echo what DL and others are saying and I hope your message gets the response you are obviously hoping for.

Good luck, I think there are enough of us on here supporting you and hope we hear a happy ending, or at least some sort of ending to this interesting story

[honey lamb]

Aaaw, bless! I've been reading this with fingers crossed but then I'm an old romantic at heart.

Even if the young lady chooses not to respond, at least you will know you have tried

It looks as though the lady will receive my message.

Thanks to those of you who have shown me positive support

Very pleased for you, don't expect to much, be delighted if you get a reply.

It looks as though the lady will receive my message.

Excellent. y)

Very pleased for you, don't expect to much, be delighted if you get a reply.

Agreed. y)

...but then I'm an old romantic at heart.

Ditto, as you know dear lady.

The strangest and most unexpected things CAN and DO happen both in and with the help of cyberspace. ii) ii)

It looks as though the lady will receive my message.

Excellent, glad to hear it. Believe me, you don't want to go through life with too many "what ifs?" hanging around.

well then I hope you receive a response - good or bad, otherwise you will never know whether she wasnt interested, or that the message didnt actually get passed on

It looks as though the lady will receive my message.

Thanks to those of you who have shown me positive support

Excellent news - wishing you well for a positive repsonse.

Hope it works out well, at least you'll know one way or the other.

Good luck ii)

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you y)

Have read some of the negative comments ! ! ! Unbelievable good luck mate I really hope it works out. Life's too short and you've got to follow your heart. I am sure some at VS is capable of emailing that peron to inform her that a fellow passenger would like to contact her and can we send this information to you? end off without breaching he DPA or offending her or risking her life etc etc

Let us all know how it goes

It IS a breach of the Data Protection Act for VS to email a passenger in this way unless VS have stated this is one of the reasons why it holds and processes personal data in its registration. And I can't see that VS would have applied for such authorisation - it is a travel company not a dating agency.

Wishing it was not so is just wishing and not going to help.

This does not mean that some of us don't wish the OP well (which has been incorrectly thought) but that we are simply aware of the detail and implication of the law.

VS is already in trouble with the Information Commissioner re the unauthorised release of certain individuals travel plans (and what opinions are held about the individuals concerned does not mean that the law does not apply to them) and it will not want to add to that.

Wishing you the best! Please let us know how it turns out. We romantics are crossing our fingers for you.

It IS a breach of the Data Protection Act for VS to email a passenger in this way unless VS have stated this is one of the reasons why it holds and processes personal data in its registration. And I can't see that VS would have applied for such authorisation - it is a travel company not a dating agency.

Wishing it was not so is just wishing and not going to help.

This does not mean that some of us don't wish the OP well (which has been incorrectly thought) but that we are simply aware of the detail and implication of the law.

VS is already in trouble with the Information Commissioner re the unauthorised release of certain individuals travel plans (and what opinions are held about the individuals concerned does not mean that the law does not apply to them) and it will not want to add to that.

I'm amazed how sure you are that there is a breach of the Data Protection Act with what VS have done for me. They CAN email the passenger asking her whether or not she wants my message sent onto her. If she says yes then the message will be sent. Simple.

One more go and then I am giving up.

The world sometimes seems to be full of people who derive some obscure pleasure from using the DPA to say no. I encounter this professionally all the time. You can often spot it: such people often make reference to the statute itself and then talk in terrified tones about a possible £500k fine.

If you look at some of the data protection consents that VS publishes...

http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/gb/privacyandsecurity/infouse.jsp

... you will see that they are hazy and mushy enough to give the airline some wiggle-room on this. No one is saying that VS is a dating agency, but it can be argued that this request is not unreasonable and that it just about falls within the scope of the uses of data that VS outlines. Of course it is not clear cut, but so what? That's life.

Again: VS could perfectly reasonably decline the request, because it could equally reasonably argue that this is nothing to do with its contractual obligations to passengers. It does NOT need the DPA to do this.

And I'm sorry, but the case you mention about the travel plans being leaked is completely irrelevant to this thread.

Aspects of this thread have really baffled me -- and none more so than the finger-wagging sanctimony supposedly backed up by 'data protection' concerns. The guy seemingly just wanted to pass a message on. Is that so terrible? You cannot expect people not to enquire if someone else is interested! How would relationships start otherwise? In some spontaneous and wordless embrace?

If she's not interested, she's not interested. Fine. If VS doesn't want to do it, fine. If he stalks or harasses her or refuses to take no for an answer, NOT fine. If he already has a restraining order, NOT fine (although presumably she would have made a bit of a fuss on the plane!). And in the 'not fine' scenarios, there is already plenty of adequate legal recourse.

Seriously, in life you manage risk. You cannot eliminate it. If you try to use the DPA or worst-case stalker scenarios to do so, you are going to live a pretty anaesthetised existence.

One more go and then I am giving up.

The world sometimes seems to be full of people who derive some obscure pleasure from using the DPA to say no. I encounter this professionally all the time. You can often spot it: such people often make reference to the statute itself and then talk in terrified tones about a possible £500k fine.

If you look at some of the data protection consents that VS publishes...

http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/gb/privacyandsecurity/infouse.jsp

... you will see that they are hazy and mushy enough to give the airline some wiggle-room on this. No one is saying that VS is a dating agency, but it can be argued that this request is not unreasonable and that it just about falls within the scope of the uses of data that VS outlines. Of course it is not clear cut, but so what? That's life.

Again: VS could perfectly reasonably decline the request, because it could equally reasonably argue that this is nothing to do with its contractual obligations to passengers. It does NOT need the DPA to do this.

And I'm sorry, but the case you mention about the travel plans being leaked is completely irrelevant to this thread.

Aspects of this thread have really baffled me -- and none more so than the finger-wagging sanctimony supposedly backed up by 'data protection' concerns. The guy seemingly just wanted to pass a message on. Is that so terrible? You cannot expect people not to enquire if someone else is interested! How would relationships start otherwise? In some spontaneous and wordless embrace?

If she's not interested, she's not interested. Fine. If VS doesn't want to do it, fine. If he stalks or harasses her or refuses to take no for an answer, NOT fine. If he already has a restraining order, NOT fine (although presumably she would have made a bit of a fuss on the plane!). And in the 'not fine' scenarios, there is already plenty of adequate legal recourse.

Seriously, in life you manage risk. You cannot eliminate it. If you try to use the DPA or worst-case stalker scenarios to do so, you are going to live a pretty anaesthetised existence.

Great post.

Cheers

I'm amazed how sure you are that there is a breach of the Data Protection Act with what VS have done for me. They CAN email the passenger asking her whether or not she wants my message sent onto her. If she says yes then the message will be sent. Simple.

I've held back from sending this post a number of times, but can't anymore...

I've not thought that your attempt to contact the named passenger was creepy or stalkerish.

However, after the continual repeated posts with you being so displeased about some nice peoples advice about the law governing Virgin Atlantic, and how likely they are to do what you want, has made me think now, that you are quite creepy and stalkerish...

I'm amazed how sure you are that there is a breach of the Data Protection Act with what VS have done for me. They CAN email the passenger asking her whether or not she wants my message sent onto her. If she says yes then the message will be sent. Simple.

I've held back from sending this post a number of times, but can't anymore...

I've not thought that your attempt to contact the named passenger was creepy or stalkerish.

However, after the continual repeated posts with you being so displeased about some nice peoples advice about the law governing Virgin Atlantic, and how likely they are to do what you want, has made me think now, that you are quite creepy and stalkerish...

I have personally found this post to be somewhat uncomfortable. However for me I feel it would be wrong to pass any judgement on the OP requested actions. This forum is not a place to air such views and when that happens, it too becomes uncomfortable. Therefore I have removed my original response as not to cause any offence, which was never my intention

Aspects of this thread have really baffled me -- and none more so than the finger-wagging sanctimony supposedly backed up by 'data protection' concerns. The guy seemingly just wanted to pass a message on. Is that so terrible? You cannot expect people not to enquire if someone else is interested! How would relationships start otherwise? In some spontaneous and wordless embrace?

Usually there's a spontaneous 'spark' which can be wordless, then followed through by conversation.

You do a good line in finger wagging yourself. There's been healthy concern and potential explanations. The first reply was a good luck message, followed by explanations as to why VS might not pass on a message. Perhaps the healthy dose of realism isn't what you or the OP wanted to hear, but so what? Advice was requested for and provided. And it was just that: advice.

Finally, I can't see anything in VS "Information Sharing" page that permits them to pass on details to a passenger.

Can we please get back to the light hearted fun of a few pages ago?

Can we please get back to the light hearted fun of a few pages ago?

We aren't here to have fun slinky09.

I am begining to feel that I am being picked on here and that I am some sort of unromantic heartless b*****d when in fact I wasn't the first to raise privacy concerns - slinky was in the SECOND response to the OP quickly followed by preiffer!

In fact I suggested that the OP post on the VS FB page (which he thanked be for but I actually don't think he did).

Whatever anyone things of the DPA it is the law of the land and yes I have had to administer the DPA and deal with the the Information Commissioners Office re a complaint about an unauthorised disclosure that was done with the best intentions but which was still a breach. Luckily the ICO and the person concerned were happy with a written apology and an assurance that I organise training on DPA obligations.

As to £500k fines - they have been applied for serious breaches so are not some myth used as a warning or scare tactic.

I'm amazed how sure you are that there is a breach of the Data Protection Act with what VS have done for me. They CAN email the passenger asking her whether or not she wants my message sent onto her. If she says yes then the message will be sent. Simple.

I've held back from sending this post a number of times, but can't anymore...

I've not thought that your attempt to contact the named passenger was creepy or stalkerish.

However, after the continual repeated posts with you being so displeased about some nice peoples advice about the law governing Virgin Atlantic, and how likely they are to do what you want, has made me think now, that you are quite creepy and stalkerish...

The word 'troll' has been in my mind since day one

A first time Poster, joined on 4th July ( should have waited until April 1st )

Has receives 92 replies and received over 6100 views. Wow that's a good way to get attention v(

Have to agree a total creep and this post has been very uncomfortable :$ :$

One word - appalling.

at240 - great post.

To the OP - Unfortunately modern day society is full of people that are quick to quote the DPA, other law and policies bla bla. IMO, they need to get out more. I'd also not bother to post here anymore and keep any updates over to The Dibb where it's a lot more friendlier and supportive.

One word - appalling.

at240 - great post.

To the OP - Unfortunately modern day society is full of people that are quick to quote the DPA, other law and policies bla bla. IMO, they need to get out more. I'd also not bother to post here anymore and keep any updates over to The Dibb where it's a lot more friendlier and supportive.

I agree with you here scnickr - Whilst I agree with a previous poster that the Law is the law we have ALL bent it in the past. Glass houses, stones, etc, etc.
As for the "Creepy" tags, not sure that is called for. Whilst the OP's pickup M.O. seems to be lacking not sure he has got anywhere near what I would call creepy yet....
A troll?? Perhaps, perhaps not. What good has it done the OP??