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#822916 by at240
06 Sep 2012, 13:41
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So: a new aeroplane, a new seat, and a new amenity kit. How was it for me? :) Sorry for the long report; read the last paragraph if nothing else. :)

This was my first trip on VS3. I live a bit too far from LHR to make the early start realistic, but on this occasion my diary conspired against me and I needed to get to NY for a late-afternoon meeting. In the end I decided to stay overnight at LHR. At around 6 I got up and made myself ready, and then used the local bus to get to the airport (the Hoppa is a scandal when there is a free local transfer just across the road!).

Check in was deserted at 6.40 but the wing was open. I was the only person there and was so disoriented by the absence of a queue that I forgot to take out my laptop. Oh the shame! After a quick stop at a couple of shops for essentials, I made my way up to the Clubhouse, where a nice breakfast and a quick treatment were very nicely done.

Whilst in the CH I saw that I would be on G-VGBR, Golden Girl, whose maiden flight this was. She was spick and span, as you would hope and expect. Funnily enough, the crew didn't mention that it was her first commercial flight. Perhaps only certain types of people care. :)

On the ottoman of my seat was the new amenity kit. It has garnered some criticism already, but I liked it. My iPad now has a nice case, and I thought that the inclusion of tissues and a pen is an improvement. Admittedly it is not a gold-plated fountain pen with your initials carved into it, but it does the job -- which is to fill out the US customs form. The earplugs are in a strange lipstick-like container; they seem different and a bit better than the old ones. The reduction in toothpaste size is the principal mistake, in my view--why was this necessary?

Anyway, onto the new UCS. I echo some of the comments made by others, but my overall assessment is more positive. The cabin is visually quite sleek, but to be honest I'm not a fan of the brown colour. If it is supposed to suggest hard wood (this appears to be the intention of the IFE surround), it doesn't really carry it off. Plus, on entering the cabin I was struck by how cramped everything is. They have really squeezed in a lot of seats, and it is very apparent. It is also quite a dark cabin, I think, because the angle of the seats somehow blocks some of the natural light -- and the brown colour is a bit gloomy.

I thought the seat itself was comfortable; in fact, I thought it was better than the old seat. My toes could not touch the ottoman end, so it seemed longer. As for width, well it seemed similar to the old suite. However, this is deceptive because the steeper angle of the suite cuts into your space and makes it feel more cramped than it is. I would not be at all surprised if this is why there is the little window through to the next suite - if that bit of the seat wall were totally opaque, it would feel like a cell. I wasn't bothered by seeing what my neighbour was doing (and by implication being watched by someone else), but I guess some people will not like this. The walls of the seat are actually more sturdy than the old one--I like this because the old one shakes whenever your neighbour rolls over in his/her sleep. The drinks shelf is better located than the old one; the arm rest is sort of handy. The controls are fine, and I liked the reading light, once I'd worked out where it was. The table has a fierce spring mounting that makes it tough for you to exit the seat when the table is up. It is a bit wobbly when you type on a laptop on it, but it didn't bother me and I worked happily for much of the flight.

As others have said, the IFE is excellent. The screen is good, the interface nice. I could only find one film I wanted to watch, but I am quite fussy and I've just accepted that IFE will be poor no matter who I fly with - so I take work, a crossword, and a book. Problem solved.

So in summary, the seat itself is good, and I think that thus far it has got too much of a bad press; for me the problem is really with the cabin, which is really very cramped and you are very aware of your proximity to others in a way that wasn't formerly the case. There are a couple of very private seats at the front and rear of the cabin, but they have other disadvantages (proximity to galleys/bar). There is one seat which is absolutely awful (9A), and 9K didn't look too great either. 8G looked quite cosy.

The rest of the cabin is OK. The bar is quite striking, but one really poor aspect is that the portside toilet is shared with PE--if the curtain is drawn it is actually in the PE cabin! A reduction in UC toilets is not a sensible decision; queuing for ages is not a sign of a premium product.

But basically, despite the flaws, I quite liked it all. I think I am more relaxed than others about the proximity of other passengers. Plus, the A330 is quiet and the more modern, cleaner fittings really compare well with the 747s -- the toilets in particular are so much more pleasant on the Airbus. I thus see no reason to avoid the A330 in the future - but obviously others will disagree.

What about the flight? It was great; the crew-member serving me was fantastic, really fantastic. We had September menus which I assume are new--I ate beetroot-smoked salmon, then chicken with gnocchi and spinach. It was good, as good as anything I've had in UC. The chocolate pudding was nice, too. The afternoon tea I really quite like - fresh, spongy sandwiches, with a nice warm scone.

Soon we landed and after a quick walk to immigration I was greeted by an empty hall and then excellent priority baggage, so was out of the airport 30 minutes after wheels down, which is jaw dropping at JFK!

I want to conclude on a positive note. When I started reading v-flyer, quite a few years ago, I was struck by the general enthusiasm for the UC product and VS itself, and it really encouraged me to save up money and miles to try it myself. That enthusiasm seems to have waned a lot in recent years, and there is an awful lot of negativity now. Well, here's a contrary view: we now have a new seat, new IFE, a new aircraft, a new amenity kit, a revamped meal service. It is essentially a new product, in all but name. None of it is perfect, but it is a pretty good package in my view, and on this flight it was raised to a different level altogether by the young and enthusiastic crew. Well done to them. y)
#822926 by barg
06 Sep 2012, 14:59
It's delightful to read a positive report about the A330. V-Flyer has turned into a whipping boy for Virgin Atlantic, and the relentless negativity doesn't do this site any favours.
#822927 by joeyc
06 Sep 2012, 15:18
Wow a possitive TR from the A333 :0

Very dipolomatic of you.. will be judging the amenity kit myself in a couple of weeks. Hopefully the doomsayers are wrong on here, but from the photos you can see it is a bit tacky for the ticket price.. yep I am being snobbish no doubt ;)

It is good that you enjoyed the seats, moreso focused on the good as opposed to the bad. I do not deny they are more comfortable and the angle of recline is better, just the cabin needs a bit of work. No crack across the bar?

JFK immigration and customs in 30 mins?? Nice one.

As for your last paragraph... :P I'm still a new boy so to speak, will let someone else jump on you for that.

Thanks for posting y) y)

P.S any green tea? :w
#822940 by ratechaser
06 Sep 2012, 17:41
barg wrote:It's delightful to read a positive report about the A330. V-Flyer has turned into a whipping boy for Virgin Atlantic, and the relentless negativity doesn't do this site any favours.


Erm - so when there are deficiencies in a product, it's the customer's fault for complaining? And even more so if they do it a lot? ?|

I think you'll actually find that the majority of regular posters on this site are actually long term supporters of the Virgin brand, and actively fly VS over other airlines where they can. I know I do, and not just for the FC miles that I get. At the same time, I reserve the right to be a strong critic where I feel it's warranted, and IMHO, VS have made a number of wrong steps recently.

Anyway, I digress... AT240, thanks for the TR. Interesting comment about the ottoman - I can only assume my feet are somewhat larger than average because I simply couldn't get comfortable on the new wedge shape!
#822954 by Decker
06 Sep 2012, 20:18
I can't say I'd noticed anyone castigating V-Flyer for Virgin's perceived failings as was previously implied? Nor have I noticed anyone castigating Virgin for V-Flyer's failings as the opposite would imply.

As ratechaser points out, most people here WANT Virgin to succeed and to regain what they used to have. The sad truth is that of late it has all been form over substance. I am frightened by what the recent announcement of Swarovski eye masks implies VS think of their Pax. Most people I know don't do tacky bling.
#822955 by buns
06 Sep 2012, 20:28
AT

Thanks for the detailed TR y) y)

What comes across loud and clear is how you approached this flight with an open mind and I greatly value your views that it might not be all bad after all :)

Admittedly the feeling that the cabin is cramped will be a big turn off for many as will the "gloomy" ambience with the dark colours, but after reading your TR I would be prepared to give the 330 a try when it appears on a different route

BTW top marks to you for reporting the golden paint jobs two days before the VS FB page published ):

buns
#822970 by pjh
06 Sep 2012, 23:01
buns wrote:after reading your TR I would be prepared to give the 330 a try when it appears on a different route


Ditto....
#822979 by Martin
07 Sep 2012, 00:14
Thanks for the TR, I think it helps to bring a bit of balance to the A330 UCDS discussion for those of us who have not yet had the *pleasure/misery (*delete as applicable)
:) .

As so often, the presence of a good crew - as you had - makes the journey special and its then easier to forgive the design shortcomings.
#823128 by horburyflyer
07 Sep 2012, 21:09
barg wrote:It's delightful to read a positive report about the A330. V-Flyer has turned into a whipping boy for Virgin Atlantic, and the relentless negativity doesn't do this site any favours.


I agree it is quite refreshing to read a positive TR about the three-class A330 - as someone who has actually travelled in UC on this new aircraft very recently and who had a pretty poor experience, its good to read someone elses prospective.

However, I think you are wide of the mark about v-flyer which as Ratechaser states is mainly full of travellers loyal to the Virgin brand. As someone who chooses to fly VA over any other carrier and extensively, I also reserve the right to highlight any issues which arise during my flight where the experience may not be up to scratch. I always provide VA with feedback on my experiences and they always respond (my feedback on my recent flight in UC on the A333 secured a response from the CEO)

Different views and prospectives are what make this site great and so well informed - we might not always agree but everyone has a right to say what they think and how they found things, especially when spending hard-earned cash on VA flights.

at240, thank you so much for your TR - so pleased all was well and you enjoyed a engaging crew. The photo of the new UC amenity kit was also really welcomed. Thanks for sharing. y)

Jon
#823136 by ratechaser
07 Sep 2012, 21:56
You know, I'm now starting to worry that we may be too 'down' on VS right now. It's even getting commented on over on the FT boards. And if that lot think we're being harsh to Virgin, things must be getting bad B) xx( B)

Tongue firmly in cheek there, of course :P
#823138 by clarkeysntfc
07 Sep 2012, 22:23
ratechaser wrote:You know, I'm now starting to worry that we may be too 'down' on VS right now. It's even getting commented on over on the FT boards. And if that lot think we're being harsh to Virgin, things must be getting bad B) xx( B)

Tongue firmly in cheek there, of course :P


I think it's mainly the 'day-in-day out' users of VS who are being quite negative at the moment. Once/twice a year folks like us are pretty happy with them to be honest, although always areas to improve upon.
#823235 by at240
08 Sep 2012, 23:42
Thanks for the all of the comments.

As I say, for me the problem is not the seat, but the cabin, which is a bit sardine-like. I think it will all seem a lot better when it's installed on other aircraft. Since I'm not that bothered about seclusion on a flight, it's not suprising I didn't mind the 333.

Incidentally, I think that most of my observations about the 333 were similar (if not identical) to points made by others in their recent trip reports (I'm thinking particularly of horburyflyer, ratechaser, slinky, and joey). What I was driving at in my conclusion was that VS is clearly trying to put together an impressive refreshed UC product, and the crew have a lot to do with that.
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