2 ladies looking for club house passes!! mucho please!! :-)

Hello!

I'll keep out of the ethics on this one, only to muddy the waters by putting in another ethical & legal query.

(Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting/condoning/"hating-on" this idea as a reality, I'm just curious in the hypothetical)

Would it a) be legal, and if so b) ethical for an UC-flyer or AU member to sell clubhouse access to rosiej83 (assuming everyone on the same flight etc)?

[ducks for cover]

NYLON

Hello... |:)

Hypothetically:
a) no... it verges on fraud and probably criminal trespass. I'm also fairly certain it contravenes clause 9 of the VS FC T&Cs regarding the bartering, selling and auctioning of programme rewards... At the very least VS could revoke miles/status/the option to fly on their planes, before deciding whether or not to pursue any legal recourse ii)

b) Slightly more interpretive, but I would say no.. It is a privilege not a right, and as such would be considered theft in my eyes. I always did root for Javert to catch Valjean...

Nothing wrong with a good hypothetical quandary NYLON, there is no need to duck for cover. 8D

Hypothetically:
a) no... it verges on fraud and probably criminal trespass. I'm also fairly certain it contravenes clause 9 of the VS FC T&Cs regarding the bartering, selling and auctioning of programme rewards...

b) Slightly more interpretive, but I would say no.. It is a privilege not a right, and as such would be considered theft in my eyes. I always did root for Javert to catch Valjean...

With respect Joey, I doubt that fraud or criminal trespass apply. And although the FC T&Cs might apply they cannot be imposed on the non FC purchaser of a UC ticket.

Of course, it might not be within the spirit of such things to take money in return for admission but I am not convinced that inviting strangers into the clubhouse is within the spirit of such things either.
):

With respect Joey, I doubt that fraud or criminal trespass apply.

Not meaning to sound confrontational, but I think you'll find they could.... Fraud for selling/bartering lounge access, where it is not your place/authority to do so, and as such also defrauding VS in terms of either food/beverage/treatments etc consumed or straight up money ordinarily demanded in exchange for access (i.e theft)

Criminal trespass in that the "guest" has illegitimately obtained entry and as such is trespassing on property in the hands of VS (whether leased or owned). Imagine giving your house keys to your neighbour for emergencies and subsequently your neighbour charges complete strangers an access fee for unsupervised access to your house without your knowledge or compliance...

I'm sure we could make a case either way

And although the FC T&Cs might apply they cannot be imposed on the non FC purchaser of a UC ticket.

A very interesting thought..... I am fairly certain I read something in the conditions of carriage once upon a time regarding the transfer of inclusions in tickets being not allowed to other ticket holders. Hypothetically, this would include the transfer of a guest pass for the lounge to other flyers not directly travelling with you .... I'll give it a look a bit later so I can be a touch more accurate.

At the very least VS could refuse carriage, which should be more than enough not to risk it.

I think it depends on the circumstances.

If it's a complete stranger and you've arranged to meet at CH for access, I think charging for CH access goes against the spirit of what is intended.

But, if it's a friend, then something could change hands. You pay for the taxi to the airport, I get you into the C/H. All very informal and perfectly fine! Although I wouldn't be so mean spirited!

To thine own self be true.

Postby Silver Fox » 21 May 2014, 22:20

The forum has an "ugly check" on pics to be uploaded so that might be it

I'm lying in bed in agony after an operation, and you have just made laugh so much, I'm in more pain....but it is worth it.

Karen

I only wanted to do this as a treat for my best friend as it's her birthday

Maybe this would suit your needs?

http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/gb/en/the-virgin-experience/guest-list.html

Guest list [and link] already suggested by MoJoJo way up thread

Thanks for taking the time to point that out, much appreciated y)

Just caught up with this thread - priceless.

In years to come, this will be one of those threads long-standing members will hint at nostalgically...

The OP has bowed out, it would seem, and that is a shame as it was good sport!

Just caught up with this thread - priceless.

In years to come, this will be one of those threads long-standing members will hint at nostalgically...

The OP has bowed out, it would seem, and that is a shame as it was good sport!

Apparently we're a bunch of haters so that's probably why she bowed out ):
It's a pity though.

hmm i have read this whole thread and have to say that i do think the original post was a bit cheeky to ask on a first post. well as was said upthread by bretty i think i hope that the OP sticks around posts a TR and gets involved otherwise its a shame i think.

I'm lying in bed in agony after an operation, and you have just made laugh so much, I'm in more pain....but it is worth it.

Hope all is ok now Karen, sides literally splitting? )

Will post if I spot any 'intruders' in the CH on Thursday The OP didn't post up the flight she was on and with 6 flights out to NYC to chose from, it is not possible for any of us to help out without that info.

Postby Silver Fox » 21 May 2014, 22:20

The forum has an "ugly check" on pics to be uploaded so that might be it

I'm lying in bed in agony after an operation, and you have just made laugh so much, I'm in more pain....but it is worth it.

Karen

I try my best ! Hope the stitches stayed intact !

Postby Silver Fox » 21 May 2014, 22:20

The forum has an "ugly check" on pics to be uploaded so that might be it

I'm lying in bed in agony after an operation, and you have just made laugh so much, I'm in more pain....but it is worth it.

Karen

I try my best ! Hope the stitches stayed intact !

:0 Spinal Fusion, that included a trip into Intensive care, Collapsed lungs, (never smoked) low blood pressure, low oxygen levels and high magnesium levels.
Fine apart from that! y)

Makes my back twinge just thinking about it ! Good luck with the recovery ! Perfect excuse to only fly UC now for lie-flat !

Well today was the day. I don't think they made it in.

Well today was the day. I don't think they made it in.

Perhaps if they did, they wouldn't have made it out? ):

Joeyc was in there and couldn't spot them….forum/index.php?f=4&t=285864&rb_v=viewtopic