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#903101 by PaulS
12 May 2015, 17:56
gumshoe wrote:I'm puzzled by BA's very generous hand baggage allowance.

I assume they're relying on the fact most passengers don'tuse their full allowance because surely there's no way the overhead lockers on a shorthaul A320 could accommodate 150+ 23kg suitcases. Anyone who's flown on a full A320 will know capacity's at a premium even on airlines with much smaller allowances.


Weight is not a factor really as the hand baggage size is the same as VS or any other air line ie it has to fit into the frame at the gate. Mornarch only allow 10kg but like most airlines that operate hand baggage only fares it the sheer volume of bags that causes delays. I believe Easyjet don't have a max weight other than you have to be able to lift it into the overhead locker unaided. I think the 23kg is a bit gimmicky as I never seem to be able to get more than 15kg in mine
#903103 by tontybear
12 May 2015, 18:10
PaulS wrote:I believe Easyjet don't have a max weight other than you have to be able to lift it into the overhead locker unaided. I think the 23kg is a bit gimmicky as I never seem to be able to get more than 15kg in mine


That is BA's rule and I think VS as well and probably all airlines - you have to be able to lift it yourself and not expect the CC to.


If you want lessons on reaching 23KG or even 32KG then Dragon Lady will provide lessons.
#903104 by pjh
12 May 2015, 18:30
tontybear wrote:
PaulS wrote:I believe Easyjet don't have a max weight other than you have to be able to lift it into the overhead locker unaided. I think the 23kg is a bit gimmicky as I never seem to be able to get more than 15kg in mine


That is BA's rule and I think VS as well and probably all airlines - you have to be able to lift it yourself and not expect the CC to.


Completely unenforceable. Are they going to throw the little old lady off the aircraft as she struggles to lift her cabin luggage? Perhaps they should have a test at the gate.... :?

Agree though about the question "what the hell are putting in there to reach 23kg?" We've done multi week road trips to the US, beach holidays to the Caribbean (evening wear change compulsory and heaven forbid any reuse over two evenings) and three weeks in OZ on under 23KG of cabin luggage each.
#903106 by tontybear
12 May 2015, 19:59
No they'll throw the bag in the hold not the passenger off the plane.

So yes it is enforcable.
#903107 by DragonLady
12 May 2015, 20:15
tontybear wrote:
PaulS wrote:
If you want lessons on reaching 23KG or even 32KG then Dragon Lady will provide lessons.


:0 I'll have you know I travelled to NCL recently with just hand baggage. Stupid mistake ( as was the standard class travel to Bristol Parkway where Mr DL picked me up......)
NEVER AGAIN :D ( on both counts).
DL
#903108 by pjh
12 May 2015, 20:47
tontybear wrote:No they'll throw the bag in the hold not the passenger off the plane.

So yes it is enforcable.


You've got a short turnaround time, the cabin crew would have to return up the aisle bearing the errant individual's case whilst the mass are thronging on...Can't see it myself.

We'll just have to disagree here.... :)
#903112 by honey lamb
12 May 2015, 22:05
pjh wrote:
Completely unenforceable. Are they going to throw the little old lady off the aircraft as she struggles to lift her cabin luggage? Perhaps they should have a test at the gate.... :?

Agree though about the question "what the hell are putting in there to reach 23kg?" We've done multi week road trips to the US, beach holidays to the Caribbean (evening wear change compulsory and heaven forbid any reuse over two evenings) and three weeks in OZ on under 23KG of cabin luggage each.

I'm rapidly becoming the little old lady and have perfected the art of swinging up the bag with a certain amount of aplomb and an "I can do this by myself" attitude but then fail to reach the said overhead locker. At that point some knight in shining armour comes to my rescue! :w

I had a friend who used to teach packing classes in the USA and reckoned she could pack a carry-on bag for a three week holiday. Mind you everything was beige!! :0
#903113 by Vegascrazy
12 May 2015, 22:06
catsilversword wrote:I wouldn't want to rely on being able to short check bags, hence the plan to take cabin luggage only. Was looking at bags that comply with dimensions for both VS and BA, look to be enough to accommodate a few changes for a hot climate, especially when staying in a house where there are washing machine facilities. Toiletries I can buy out there so that's not an issue either.

Surely, if you only have cabin bags and nothing checked in, there isn't anything to stop you from not taking the final leg back to wherever in Europe???? Or have I got this wrong?????


Even with luggage there is no way you can be forced to take the final sector provided that final sector departs from a different airport. For example we recently returned Las Vegas - Gatwick and then the final sector was Heathrow to Amsterdam. So it not a case of you or any of us being forced to take the last sector, it's rather a case of the check-in staff being forced to short check your luggage :) In fact we didn't even bother doing online check in for the fourth sector!
#903116 by Darren Wheeler
12 May 2015, 23:42
pjh wrote:
tontybear wrote:No they'll throw the bag in the hold not the passenger off the plane.

So yes it is enforcable.


You've got a short turnaround time, the cabin crew would have to return up the aisle bearing the errant individual's case whilst the mass are thronging on...Can't see it myself.

We'll just have to disagree here.... :)


Any carry-on items that have to go in the hold are collected from the door which is why you'll often see passengers waiting in the jetbridge.

There is no way any cabin crew will try to lift a passengers bag up into the overhead. They put their back out and are off sick, they lose money.
#903119 by whiterose
13 May 2015, 00:47
pjh wrote:
Agree though about the question "what the hell are putting in there to reach 23kg?" We've done multi week road trips to the US, beach holidays to the Caribbean (evening wear change compulsory and heaven forbid any reuse over two evenings) and three weeks in OZ on under 23KG of cabin luggage each.


Could Mrs pjh be persuaded to share her secrets of such awe-inspiring packing? I try hard but I can't just can't see how to achieve that - multiple changes of outfits (even though you colour-co-ordinate), beach/evening/tourist sites, toiletries (I can do most of that with just toiletries!).

I think I may need guidance from an expert.
#903123 by catsilversword
13 May 2015, 06:02
Vegascrazy wrote:
catsilversword wrote:I wouldn't want to rely on being able to short check bags, hence the plan to take cabin luggage only. Was looking at bags that comply with dimensions for both VS and BA, look to be enough to accommodate a few changes for a hot climate, especially when staying in a house where there are washing machine facilities. Toiletries I can buy out there so that's not an issue either.

Surely, if you only have cabin bags and nothing checked in, there isn't anything to stop you from not taking the final leg back to wherever in Europe???? Or have I got this wrong?????


Even with luggage there is no way you can be forced to take the final sector provided that final sector departs from a different airport. For example we recently returned Las Vegas - Gatwick and then the final sector was Heathrow to Amsterdam. So it not a case of you or any of us being forced to take the last sector, it's rather a case of the check-in staff being forced to short check your luggage :) In fact we didn't even bother doing online check in for the fourth sector!



Our final sector isn't from a different airport though. My bad, and hence my hopes to manage with no hold bags...
#903141 by gumshoe
13 May 2015, 12:33
If you've no checked baggage you won't have any problem missing the final leg.

The only risk - and it's very small - is that BA, if the final leg is with them, could do an audit and close your BAEC account if you have one, thus wiping out your Avios. But as I say it's a tiny risk and would probably only happen to persistent repeat offenders on an all-BA itinerary.
#903168 by mrsw
13 May 2015, 19:16
@whiterose - have you considered a "capsule wardrobe"?

As someone who travels pretty light (normally a small carry-on is sufficient for me for a week-long trip), it always amazes me how much people pack :w
#903183 by Hamster
13 May 2015, 22:27
gumshoe wrote:If you've no checked baggage you won't have any problem missing the final leg.

The only risk - and it's very small - is that BA, if the final leg is with them, could do an audit and close your BAEC account if you have one, thus wiping out your Avios. But as I say it's a tiny risk and would probably only happen to persistent repeat offenders on an all-BA itinerary.


Avios are only removed during an audit, restored after. (Personally not seen anything about loosing any)

I dont think BA would mind at all if the TATL is on VS, they have been paid for the EU-Hops.
#903188 by Hamster
13 May 2015, 22:58
gumshoe wrote:
Hamster wrote:Avios are only removed during an audit, restored after. (Personally not seen anything about loosing any)


See the third post on page 1 of this thread, by Kraken.


Teach me to skim read won't it! :o)
#903206 by Smid
14 May 2015, 11:28
gumshoe wrote:If you've no checked baggage you won't have any problem missing the final leg.

The only risk - and it's very small - is that BA, if the final leg is with them, could do an audit and close your BAEC account if you have one, thus wiping out your Avios. But as I say it's a tiny risk and would probably only happen to persistent repeat offenders on an all-BA itinerary.


Simple solution to this, is to not provide BAEC number. Sure you lose a 1000 avios and 40tps, but better than everything...
#903211 by michalisana
14 May 2015, 13:44
Smid wrote:
gumshoe wrote:If you've no checked baggage you won't have any problem missing the final leg.

The only risk - and it's very small - is that BA, if the final leg is with them, could do an audit and close your BAEC account if you have one, thus wiping out your Avios. But as I say it's a tiny risk and would probably only happen to persistent repeat offenders on an all-BA itinerary.


Simple solution to this, is to not provide BAEC number. Sure you lose a 1000 avios and 40tps, but better than everything...


That you are anyway not getting since you won't be taking that leg anyway
#903220 by Smid
14 May 2015, 16:39
michalisana wrote:
Smid wrote:Simple solution to this, is to not provide BAEC number. Sure you lose a 1000 avios and 40tps, but better than everything...


That you are anyway not getting since you won't be taking that leg anyway


Nope. That's for the DUB-LON flight. If you want to input your BAEC and take the BA Club Europe option and you do all the legs, its 2K avois (? not sure) plus 80 tier points you'll be getting.
#903340 by papadoc
16 May 2015, 13:38
Thinking of doing this in Sept.

Flying OSL-SFO via LHR, then LAX-LON, LON-OSL on the return. The final leg (LON-OSL) is the following day after our arrival at LHR, so we will need our bags for the overnight stay ;) , will this be OK, or will they be checked all the way to OSL?
#903346 by tontybear
16 May 2015, 14:41
You'll be fine. Though OSL is a nice place to visit!
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